Knicks - Cavs PG II

[Clyde_Style]

So Quickley just might be a messiah if he can turn Randle into a winning player because Dubious Handle had more assists than he had FGA.

Quickley might be an exorcist because with him on the court next to Mitch the young big didn't commit one foul.

Quickley just may be a prophet because somehow he found Knox's 3 stroke.

.....or maybe he's just the Knicks PG of the future...which would be a harder thing to accomplish than being those other three.

Thibs won't begin the season with him as starter because I suspect he thinks there some justifiable reasoning to support that erroneous conclusion but coach...prove me wrong.

Hes' a Quickorcist

[louisorr]

Quicksanity

[Polk377]

Payton has had 6 years to solidify his position as a starting nba guard, with his lack of 3pt shooting, his game better translates to just come off the bench.

Spacing is the name of the game in today’s league. Still would like to see how Quickley performance against better teams, but it doesn’t matter. Quickley can move the ball just fine, attacks and finishes w/ a floater and surprisingly gets to the line. And what’s key is he can actually hit a 3. Dating back to Rose, Knicks just seemed to be allergic to get a starting PG that can hit a 3. Having a PG that just refuses to even attempt a 3 can kill an offense.

Hopefully Bullock can regain his form from a couple seasons ago with Detroit. What I like about our team is we have a number of playmakers out on the floor at the same time, which can make Bullock’s life easier on the court. We all remember how important Novak turned out to be for us. I envision Bullock can replicate that if he’s up for that challenge. Just hit the open 3 when the ball swings to you. Same goes for Burks.

Back to the playmaking, I know many of you sh*t on Randle, and sometimes it is deserved, but the man has the potential in him to really be a factor with his playmaking ability. He was under control this game & we need to see more of that. I do have my doubts whether he can remain under control, but with the better spacing w/ IQ on the floor, he might be able to limit his turnovers.

Obi also has the playmaking ability in him as well. Obi just doesn’t seem to know where his shots are coming from right now & seems hesitant at times to throw up a shot, but I’d rather him keep moving the rock then selfishly look for his. I’d rather him learn to let the game come to him right now.

Knox has surprised me with his 3pt shooting last couple games. I was ready to write this kid off I won’t lie. Dude has been the definition of lights out. And man, I pray Mitch can continue to stop fouling at such a high rate. When he’s on the floor, his impact in noticeable. Saw a few times he didn’t actually go for the block and just contested the shot w/o jumping. Mitch will learn that the threat of him blocking the shot will alter the shot of his opponents more often than not. They know his out there, all he has to do is stay steady, contest it, grab the board and we’re off to the races. I still won’t start him though until he puts together a string of games off the bench w/o getting into foul trouble.

It is only preseason, so I don’t want to get my hopes up. Need to see consistency for it to be real. But it actually might be fun to watch this team this season if the kids actually grow and can prove they belong out there.

Payton isn't an NBA player. You can't be an NBA PG and shoot 20% from 3 unless you are elite in some other areas. He isn't. He's not suited to play NBA basketball. He needs to be cut and play for the Beijing ducks

he's somehow figured out a way to look good statically so people kind of assume he isn't bringing the team down as much as he is

Not having Payton in the lineup also positively effected Randle last night. Having extra shooters opened up the lane for him to be able to penetrate and kick to the open man. It also helps that he didn't have Payton putting extra pressure on him to have to be a creator by need rather than naturally doing it because of good ball movement. I don't care if it was one game against a bad team missing half of their players, Payton has to go for this system to work efficiently. I still think Rivers will be the starting PG once he is fully healed and Quickley will come in as the Lou Williams type 6th man for bench scoring.

[Spree2Houston]

One good thing about Quickley is his off-ball compatibility. Even if we did luck out in the draft and got Cade, you could slide Cade to Small forward and both can take turns playing point or offball

[rajajackal]

we tried to see if DSJ could play point by bringing him off the bench. didn't work out. IQ came in, and the more rope he was gradually given, the more he outplayed both DSJ and payton. now we know, DSJ doesn't need to be taking up space in our point guard rotation

i think thibs played that perfectly. it feels like merit is winning out, and everyone's being given a fair chance

next up we should see what frank can do in the role bullock played last night. see if we can't ease him into it, off the bench just like dennis. if knox looks that much better playing with other smart ball-sharers, i'd imagine we'd see at the very least a modest boost in frank's utility as well. as a matter of fact, the only stretch of knicks basketball i enjoyed last season outside of the mavs games was a period where frank RJ and knox shared the floor. similar vibes to these last 2 games: quick movement on and off ball, intense effort

if he doesn't cut it after being given a proportionate opportunity to the one DSJ was given, that's one more trade piece and a little marie kondo for our front office

(if coin tosses are any indication, DSJ's utterly tails performance hopefully means frank'll get a heads up. one of these two top 9 2017 draft picks has to be a useful player)

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[rajajackal]

One good thing about Quickley is his off-ball compatibility. Even if we did luck out in the draft and got Cade, you could slide Cade to Small forward and both can take turns playing point or offball

yeah cade being a 6'8" point forward lead ball handler type is sort of perfect for a combo point like IQ. having said that, i'm keeping this draft out of mind for the first half of the season. i want to root for my boys to win

[N Y K]

One good thing about Quickley is his off-ball compatibility. Even if we did luck out in the draft and got Cade, you could slide Cade to Small forward and both can take turns playing point or offball

yeah cade being a 6'8" point forward lead ball handler type is sort of perfect for a combo point like IQ. having said that, i'm keeping this draft out of mind for the first half of the season. i want to root for my boys to win

Any win that comes at the hands of RJ, Mitch, Obi, Immanuel... Kevin... and, to an even lesser extent, Frank/Dennis are acceptable. Any other contributions to winning and we all lose...

[Clyde_Style]

One good thing about Quickley is his off-ball compatibility. Even if we did luck out in the draft and got Cade, you could slide Cade to Small forward and both can take turns playing point or offball

yeah cade being a 6'8" point forward lead ball handler type is sort of perfect for a combo point like IQ. having said that, i'm keeping this draft out of mind for the first half of the season. i want to root for my boys to win

If the synergies we're seeing translate against real competition, I wonder how prepared Knicks fans are to win more games than they anticipated.

If RJ beasts, Mitch feasts, IQ drives and Knox thrives we will win some games we're not supposed to win.

[Capn'O]

Obi will be a solid player. Right now he's getting some reps in for some skills that he hasn't really utilized and will get him ahead in the long run. He can't just plow like he did in college.

[Clyde_Style]

I think the defense is a bigger story than the offense these last two games.

I see RJ is becoming a legit defender
We have Mitch patrolling the paint
IQ is going to slow down opposing PGs

We've already seen guys like Dennis, Knox and Obi give an effort on Defense that exceeded any expectations

which means this coaching staff is preaching and teaching the D

I think we're going to be a potential problem on D for some clubs

[Triple C]

[Clyde_Style]

Obi will be a solid player. Right now he's getting some reps in for some skills that he hasn't really utilized and will get him ahead in the long run. He can't just plow like he did in college.

I think he's going to be an offensive threat now that I see his recognition and court vision rates very high. It means he has the hoops IQ to find the seams or take his shots when open while being very capable of hitting the open man. That means he is likely to develop quality shot selection + passing and will become pretty efficient. Once he starts hitting his outside shots, and he will, teams will have to respect him as he is going to have three options from the perimeter: shoot, drive or pass. Lots of guys in the league really only operate on one or two of those levels. He is clearly demonstrating to me he sees the floor well and will make good reads.

[Spree2Houston]

I think the defense is a bigger story than the offense these last two games.

I see RJ is becoming a legit defender
We have Mitch patrolling the paint
IQ is going to slow down opposing PGs

We've already seen guys like Dennis, Knox and Obi give an effort on Defense that exceeded any expectations

which means this coaching staff is preaching and teaching the D

I think we're going to be a potential problem on D for some clubs

Yup #2 in points allowed in the preseason albeit lousy competition. The next highest is 10 points higher. There’s definitely been immense progress on the defensive side.

[Besart19]

Iggy, Smith, Payton, Burks two seconds and Dallas unprotected 2023 for Oladipo

Quickley / Frank / Harper
Barrett / Oladipo / Rivers
Bullock / Knox / Pinson
Randle / Toppin / MKG
Mitch / Noel / Spellman

No 1st that's over pay for a UFA, we are not a playoff team

You need to sacrifice one pick to develop at least 5 picks we have! Oladipo is not the aim, but a consequence

[DOT]

Quickley raising his value so we can include him in the Harden trade

I see you, young fella

[knicksNOTslick]

Iggy, Smith, Payton, Burks two seconds and Dallas unprotected 2023 for Oladipo

Quickley / Frank / Harper
Barrett / Oladipo / Rivers
Bullock / Knox / Pinson
Randle / Toppin / MKG
Mitch / Noel / Spellman

No 1st that's over pay for a UFA, we are not a playoff team

You need to sacrifice one pick to develop at least 5 picks we have! Oladipo is not the aim, but a consequence

But that Mavs pick is unprotected. The West is so deep and Dallas only has one healthy superstar while the other is injury prone. One bad stretch and anythint can happen. Not wishing injury on anyone but it would be great if they didn't make the playoffs. An unprotected pick is worth a lot considering there's always that chance it can turn out #1. I wouldn't trade that away.

[cgmw]

Quickley raising his value so we can include him in the Harden trade

I see you, young fella

for accuracy and truth

[Clyde_Style]

Quickley raising his value so we can include him in the Harden trade

I see you, young fella

[Oscirus]

No 1st that's over pay for a UFA, we are not a playoff team

You need to sacrifice one pick to develop at least 5 picks we have! Oladipo is not the aim, but a consequence

But that Mavs pick is unprotected. The West is so deep and Dallas only has one healthy superstar while the other is injury prone. One bad stretch and anythint can happen. Not wishing injury on anyone but it would be great if they didn't make the playoffs. An unprotected pick is worth a lot considering there's always that chance it can turn out #1. I wouldn't trade that away.

mavs pick is top 10 unprotected until it conveys into two seconds. its not worth as much as you think