Trade Discussion 22/23

[ejs78]

Is Gordon a 3rd star?
To me no, but Im not sure the big 3 is gonna come back. More big 2.5 if that makes sense.

He's only 25 and his contact is pretty solid

I would move him up over Olidipo just based on price and age.

Like you said maybe you get Fournier tossed in whos a UFA or Ross. Key would be to upgrade but if THjr is the one to go make sure to bring back some shooting to replace him for now.

Works for me. I’d also look into trading for Bamba or Fournier as well if they’re available.

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He’s not a star, but he’s a good defender and he’s young enough to potentially turn into a good role player with better coaching than what the Magic have given him.

I could see him playing a Matrix role here if he’s forced to play the role of 3rd or 4th option

100%


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[ejs78]

Its way too early but I get vibes of a trade like the Butler, Stevenson, Haywood one.

Yes they lost to the Spurs that year, Caron got injured during the title run, and Chandler replaced Haywood. But I thought this was a really good deal at the time and it was moving off of expiring contracts.

Gonna be a fun season!!!!

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[Mr B]

Its way too early but I get vibes of a trade like the Butler, Stevenson, Haywood one.

Yes they lost to the Spurs that year, Caron got injured during the title run, and Chandler replaced Haywood. But I thought this was a really good deal at the time and it was moving off of expiring contracts.

Gonna be a fun season!!!!

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It’s definitely going to be a fun season! Honestly even if they make zero trades they have a pretty solid team across the board. JRich could end up becoming that 3rd star level player they want.


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[ejs78]

100% but we know all this fan base likes to trade everyone

Its way too early but I get vibes of a trade like the Butler, Stevenson, Haywood one.

Yes they lost to the Spurs that year, Caron got injured during the title run, and Chandler replaced Haywood. But I thought this was a really good deal at the time and it was moving off of expiring contracts.

Gonna be a fun season!!!!

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It’s definitely going to be a fun season! Honestly even if they make zero trades they have a pretty solid team across the board. JRich could end up becoming that 3rd star level player they want.


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[arkuo]

Its way too early but I get vibes of a trade like the Butler, Stevenson, Haywood one.

Yes they lost to the Spurs that year, Caron got injured during the title run, and Chandler replaced Haywood. But I thought this was a really good deal at the time and it was moving off of expiring contracts.

Gonna be a fun season!!!!

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Yeah.. Same here. Since Donnie always had a good relationship with Daryl Morey. We can actually give them cap relief for Tobias Harris.

THJ + James Johnson + Burke + Bey

Tobias Harris + Matthise Thybulle + Shake Milton

Thybulle and Milton are both 6'6 long defenders. 3&D guys. We can use a lot of those both in the starting lineup and off the bench. If they dont find anyone worthwhile signing in the offseason, this is a move they can do. Harris is paid a lot but also scores 19ppg. Better than getting a lot of cap space and nothing to use it on.

C- Porzingis / WCS / Boban
PF- Harris / Kleber / Powell
SF- Finney Smith / Thybulle / Green
SG- Richardson / Milton / Terry
PG- Doncic / Brunson

[JD45]

I think a Harris trade makes a lot of sense, and there are hints it is something the Mavs are engaged in.

He is probably the best player in terms of age and talent they can get. And they have been interested in him before. I am a little concerned with his defense. He seems to be below average. So can his offensive skill be more valuable to an already great offense, than his defensive weaknesses hurt an already below average defense?

My personal preference would be Otto Porter. He has injury and character issues, but seems to be perfect fit with what they need. But if it turned out they got Harris, I would consider it a success.

[arkuo]

He is probably the best player in terms of age and talent they can get. And they have been interested in him before. I am a little concerned with his defense. He seems to be below average. So can his offensive skill be more valuable to an already great offense, than his defensive weaknesses hurt an already below average defense?

Getting Thybulle and Milton, both defensive studs compensates for what we get in Harris, I think. I would also go a bit further and say I'd prefer Tobias Harris over John Collins if it came down to that. I'm assuming you'd have to give Collins a 4 year max (which is even longer) and Collins cant handle the ball like Harris can. Which means Harris can create his own shot. Collins will just wait to be fed the ball.

Carlisle gets the luxury of swapping defenders in Thybulle, Milton, DFS and Richardson against the opposing team's best player. You can't switch off the Mavs defenders with a rotation like that.

[Mr B]

I think a Harris trade makes a lot of sense, and there are hints it is something the Mavs are engaged in.

He is probably the best player in terms of age and talent they can get. And they have been interested in him before. I am a little concerned with his defense. He seems to be below average. So can his offensive skill be more valuable to an already great offense, than his defensive weaknesses hurt an already below average defense?

My personal preference would be Otto Porter. He has injury and character issues, but seems to be perfect fit with what they need. But if it turned out they got Harris, I would consider it a success.

Not to mention Tobias Harris and Boban are really good friends. Harris would add to the great chemistry this team seems to have in the locker room.


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[ejs78]

Id take John Collins over Harris just because he fits the timeline better. Also living in Detroit I've seen Harris dissappear too often.

When it comes to Carlisle id feel he'd prefer Harris over Collins.

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[Mike lorenzo]

with no one to chase at FA21 ... Blake is healthy.

Powell + Johnson +2 second rounds (from Houston) to Pistons.

Brunson to Houston.

Blake to Mavs ..
If it stays healthy it's a huge improvement over Powell, if it goes wrong ... well we save a 1 year from Powell..
Sing Barea

[dirkforpres]

with no one to chase at FA21 ... Blake is healthy.

Powell + Johnson +2 second rounds (from Houston) to Pistons.

Brunson to Houston.

Blake to Mavs ..
If it stays healthy it's a huge improvement over Powell, if it goes wrong ... well we save a 1 year from Powell..
Sing Barea

No chance I’m taking Blake Griffin without at least 1 unprotected pick coming with him

[daoneandonly]

with no one to chase at FA21 ... Blake is healthy.

Powell + Johnson +2 second rounds (from Houston) to Pistons.

Brunson to Houston.

Blake to Mavs ..
If it stays healthy it's a huge improvement over Powell, if it goes wrong ... well we save a 1 year from Powell..
Sing Barea

No chance I’m taking Blake Griffin without at least 1 unprotected pick coming with him

Agreed, Blake Griffin is trash. You cant pay a guy that much who is consistently out, and cant defend the perimeter or the rim. He's a terrible fit with KP and this team would sink with him.

[Mike lorenzo]

with no one to chase at FA21 ... Blake is healthy.

Powell + Johnson +2 second rounds (from Houston) to Pistons.

Brunson to Houston.

Blake to Mavs ..
If it stays healthy it's a huge improvement over Powell, if it goes wrong ... well we save a 1 year from Powell..
Sing Barea

No chance I’m taking Blake Griffin without at least 1 unprotected pick coming with him

Agreed, Blake Griffin is trash. You cant pay a guy that much who is consistently out, and cant defend the perimeter or the rim. He's a terrible fit with KP and this team would sink with him.

The last time he was on the court, he didn't look too bad ... not my ideal goal, they left (Anunoby, Isaak, etc) ... there is no one to pursue in FA21, and Blake expires that year ... If this team was great with Powell, why wouldn't it be great with Griffin ... who's a better shooter, passer, drive?

[daoneandonly]

No chance I’m taking Blake Griffin without at least 1 unprotected pick coming with him

Agreed, Blake Griffin is trash. You cant pay a guy that much who is consistently out, and cant defend the perimeter or the rim. He's a terrible fit with KP and this team would sink with him.

The last time he was on the court, he didn't look too bad ... not my ideal goal, they left (Anunoby, Isaak, etc) ... there is no one to pursue in FA21, and Blake expires that year ... If this team was great with Powell, why wouldn't it be great with Griffin ... who's a better shooter, passer, drive?

Powell is also a problem, and even with his achilles, will play more games than Blake. We need better fits, Blake doesnt fit any need this team has. He's better than Powell, which is why he's paid like 20 mil more a year, both are way overpaid. He also has a terrible attitude, really no reason to bring him in.

[dirkforpres]

No chance I’m taking Blake Griffin without at least 1 unprotected pick coming with him

Agreed, Blake Griffin is trash. You cant pay a guy that much who is consistently out, and cant defend the perimeter or the rim. He's a terrible fit with KP and this team would sink with him.

The last time he was on the court, he didn't look too bad ... not my ideal goal, they left (Anunoby, Isaak, etc) ... there is no one to pursue in FA21, and Blake expires that year ... If this team was great with Powell, why wouldn't it be great with Griffin ... who's a better shooter, passer, drive?

I’d rather trade for Gordon or Turner than Blake. He may have looked good the last time he played, but the odds of him making through a whole season healthy are slim to none

[giannis and 1]

Any chance you guys would trade Kleber? If yes, what would you want from the Bucks? We don't have much to trade but you never know.

[Mr B]

Agreed, Blake Griffin is trash. You cant pay a guy that much who is consistently out, and cant defend the perimeter or the rim. He's a terrible fit with KP and this team would sink with him.

The last time he was on the court, he didn't look too bad ... not my ideal goal, they left (Anunoby, Isaak, etc) ... there is no one to pursue in FA21, and Blake expires that year ... If this team was great with Powell, why wouldn't it be great with Griffin ... who's a better shooter, passer, drive?

I’d rather trade for Gordon or Turner than Blake. He may have looked good the last time he played, but the odds of him making through a whole season healthy are slim to none

Let me emphasize, I personally don’t think Blake would be horrible but I absolutely would take Aaron Gordon or Myles Turner over Blake Griffen.


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[Mr B]

Any chance you guys would trade Kleber? If yes, what would you want from the Bucks? We don't have much to trade but you never know.

I think Kleber could be had in a trade if it meant getting back a player that’s at least as good as him. I honestly can’t think of any player the Bucks could give up for Maxi (that they’d be willing to give up). For example I’d take Middleton for Kleber but the Bucks wouldn’t do that.


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[giannis and 1]

Any chance you guys would trade Kleber? If yes, what would you want from the Bucks? We don't have much to trade but you never know.

I think Kleber could be had in a trade if it meant getting back a player that’s at least as good as him. I honestly can’t think of any player the Bucks could give up for Maxi (that they’d be willing to give up). For example I’d take Middleton for Kleber but the Bucks wouldn’t do that.


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Any interest in a swap for Brook? I think Brook is slightly better but we need a more mobile stretch-5 and can afford to downgrade in rim protection.

[JD45]

Any chance you guys would trade Kleber? If yes, what would you want from the Bucks? We don't have much to trade but you never know.

I think Kleber could be had in a trade if it meant getting back a player that’s at least as good as him. I honestly can’t think of any player the Bucks could give up for Maxi (that they’d be willing to give up). For example I’d take Middleton for Kleber but the Bucks wouldn’t do that.


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Any interest in a swap for Brook? I think Brook is slightly better but we need a more mobile stretch-5 and can afford to downgrade in rim protection.

I doubt the Mavs would do that. Kleber is 4 years younger, so better fit with Luka/KP timeline. He also shoot the 3 a little better and is really more of a PF, who can even defend wings a bit. Which is a better fit since KP seems to be better at C.

No offense to Brook, who is a fine player, but Kleber seems to fit the other Mavs players better.