Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team"

[pepe1991]

Well we have a plan thats for sure, but not everybody likes it :p.
It seems like we are up to date regarding roster construction. Long, athletic players, smart on defense with capability to protect the paint. On offense we can go with double or even triple playmakers not counting Vucevic. Our rotation is quite young so we wont contend right away but the fundaments are there. Long frontcourt + multiple playmakers backcourt. + reclamation projects.
You can hate front office but you cant say they dont have a type and they dont have a plan.

Plan is to never make any major change and overpay every single role player that on sub .500 wins team scores over 12 ppg? Because that's execlly how they operate.

"Long -athletic" just to draft 6'2 combo guard and 6'7 power forward. So it's not that.

Their whole gimmick is to outsmart other GMs, but in process they look foolish all the time.

Because trades are hard and they like this team. Who wouldn't like close to luxury tax non playoff team? Everything is great. Might as well sell ticks as bonus to trip to Disneyland, maybe next time against Heat it won't be 80% of Heat fans for once, but japanees turists.

[Bensational]

Looking ahead we have:

Isaac - 5 seasons (-1 for injury)
Cole + Chuma - 4 seasons
Fultz - 3 + 1 team option seasons
Vuc + Ross - 3 seasons
Gordon + Aminu - 2 seasons
Bamba - 2 seasons + possible extension
Fournier - 1 season

This looks to be one of the last year's of the Hennigan guys. Fournier likely gone this season. Gordon will be here for the duration of his deal until Isaac proves healthy or a deal comes up we can't refuse. Vuc can continue on with the young core until Bamba shows more.

It looks like we're finally moving into a more realised version of WeHam's team finally, but I suspect they'll give this next squad the same kind of patience they've done for this current squad the past 3 (coming into the 4th) seasons.

The ride will be as slow as the ascendance of Fultz or Cole is.

[Skin]

Can we talk about serious stuff like: not having cap space ?

People cried whole summer how they hate running it back. Now running it back is most flexibility you will get.

We're doing nothing this year except being mediocre. We are running it back with all of Henny's guys as our team leaders and heavy lifters. That is cry worthy. That is what you've continued to support as long as I've known you. You haven't wanted any trades that involved Henny's guys and you wanted to give all of them extensions. You think that is our way to winning a championship with Vuc leading the way.

I've been wanting this team to flip it's roster since before WeHam got here. I want our young guys to get playing time (if they fail, they fail), I want high picks and I want to continue to churn and burn through talent until the cream rises to the top. If you have a good GM, then hopefully there will be less burn. Fultz and Isaac are our 2 best long term assets. Only one complaining about keeping them is you. They didn't sign max deals. We are not in a 3-4 year win now situation because of these deals. OG Anuoby signed for $74M. Isaac is easily $1.5M per year better than him. It was a good deal.

I don't like everything WeHam is doing, but these 2 signings have been good. I'm glad they picked up Bamba's option too. If they don't hit on their young players (especially ones they drafted with high picks), then their credibility takes a huge hit.

[pepe1991]

Can we talk about serious stuff like: not having cap space ?

People cried whole summer how they hate running it back. Now running it back is most flexibility you will get.

We're doing nothing this year except being mediocre. We are running it back with all of Henny's guys as our team leaders and heavy lifters. That is cry worthy. That is what you've continued to support as long as I've known you. You haven't wanted any trades that involved Henny's guys and you wanted to give all of them extensions. You think that is our way to winning a championship with Vuc leading the way.

I've been wanting this team to flip it's roster since before WeHam got here. I want our young guys to get playing time (if they fail, they fail), I want high picks and I want to continue to churn and burn through talent until the cream rises to the top. If you have a good GM, then hopefully there will be less burn. Fultz and Isaac are our 2 best long term assets. Only one complaining about keeping them is you. They didn't sign max deals. We are not in a 3-4 year win now situation because of these deals. OG Anuoby signed for $74M. Isaac is easily $1.5M per year better than him. It was a good deal.

I don't like everything WeHam is doing, but these 2 signings have been good. I'm glad they picked up Bamba's option too. If they don't hit on their young players (especially ones they drafted with high picks), then their credibility takes a huge hit.

I don't get why you counstructed your post like it's my fault why team is running it back

Trust me, nobody asks me anything

Vuc got exstension because he is only above average player on whole damn roster.
I was not very supportive of Gordon's exstension at all.

Ross exstension was huge overpay for onedimensional chucker he is. Called it back then.

They are running it back because they terrible at their jobs, they are two half-retired +60 years old guys who were ready to go home until Orlando Magic called them and they figured they can steal some money from ownership that puts 0 expetations to them. They offer minimum required effort to not get fired. Easiest way to do it is to never make trades, never actually scouts guys who they draft , make 1 trade in 3 years that does not involve second round picks and to go in public, with smirk on their faces and say " trades are hard".

Daryl Morey in 1 week of his job traded " untradable " Al Horford for Ferguson and Green and later that week traded Richardson for Seth Curry and drafted Maledon, Tyler Bey and Maxey.

Because Daryl Morey is not there to do 1 interview a year where he is asked one question- and replys to that question by talking about nobody asked him for , while smiling like he just outsmarted Eintein, Morey knows he is smartest person in a room and strikes when iron is hot.

John Hammond is now GM for 12 years and he never passed first round of playoffs. Do I really need to say anything more than that?

[GelbeWand09]

exposed by... James Harden .... One of most gifted scorers... ever?
Pair Lebron and Isaac for playoff series and you will come home with same conclusion.

Actually you don't have to, Kawhi already did it for your.
Isaac held Kawhi on 28 ppg, 56% FG and 54% for 3

Impact... Pure lockdown it was.

Dont wanna argue with you about Isaac the 100th time Just wanna clean some wrong stats.

I'm pretty sure i've read that Kawhi was 1-13 against Isaac. Gordon was his main defender. Showing avg. stats in a series to show how someone defend isnt really expedient. Another example. 1st game this season vs Tor. Siakam had a good game. Reality was, he only made 2 baskets vs. Isaac (1 when Isaac slipped), the rest was against Gordon or on switches against other players.

Btw I'm probably Isaac's biggest supporter here, with Prime. He is my fav. player in the post Dwight era, but i worry about that extension too. We doesnt even know if he lost a step after that injury. If he loses a step he probably is no elite defender anymore. This comes on top of his injury history.

[Skin]

Can we talk about serious stuff like: not having cap space ?

People cried whole summer how they hate running it back. Now running it back is most flexibility you will get.

We're doing nothing this year except being mediocre. We are running it back with all of Henny's guys as our team leaders and heavy lifters. That is cry worthy. That is what you've continued to support as long as I've known you. You haven't wanted any trades that involved Henny's guys and you wanted to give all of them extensions. You think that is our way to winning a championship with Vuc leading the way.

I've been wanting this team to flip it's roster since before WeHam got here. I want our young guys to get playing time (if they fail, they fail), I want high picks and I want to continue to churn and burn through talent until the cream rises to the top. If you have a good GM, then hopefully there will be less burn. Fultz and Isaac are our 2 best long term assets. Only one complaining about keeping them is you. They didn't sign max deals. We are not in a 3-4 year win now situation because of these deals. OG Anuoby signed for $74M. Isaac is easily $1.5M per year better than him. It was a good deal.

I don't like everything WeHam is doing, but these 2 signings have been good. I'm glad they picked up Bamba's option too. If they don't hit on their young players (especially ones they drafted with high picks), then their credibility takes a huge hit.

I don't get why you counstructed your post like it's my fault why team is running it back

Trust me, nobody asks me anything

Vuc got exstension because he is only above average player on whole damn roster.
I was not very supportive of Gordon's exstension at all.

Ross exstension was huge overpay for onedimensional chucker he is. Called it back then.

They are running it back because they terrible at their jobs, they are two half-retired +60 years old guys who were ready to go home until Orlando Magic called them and they figured they can steal some money from ownership that puts 0 expetations to them. They offer minimum required effort to not get fired. Easiest way to do it is to never make trades, never actually scouts guys who they draft , make 1 trade in 3 years that does not involve second round picks and to go in public, with smirk on their faces and say " trades are hard".

Daryl Morey in 1 week of his job traded " untradable " Al Horford for Ferguson and Green and later that week traded Richardson for Seth Curry and drafted Maledon, Tyler Bey and Maxey.

Because Daryl Morey is not there to do 1 interview a year where he is asked one question- and replys to that question by talking about nobody asked him for , while smiling like he just outsmarted Eintein, Morey knows he is smartest person in a room and strikes when iron is hot.

John Hammond is now GM for 12 years and he never passed first round of playoffs. Do I really need to say anything more than that?

Maybe you should be a Hammond fan because Morey would've traded Vuc by now.

[pepe1991]

exposed by... James Harden .... One of most gifted scorers... ever?
Pair Lebron and Isaac for playoff series and you will come home with same conclusion.

Actually you don't have to, Kawhi already did it for your.
Isaac held Kawhi on 28 ppg, 56% FG and 54% for 3

Impact... Pure lockdown it was.

Dont wanna argue with you about Isaac the 100th time Just wanna clean some wrong stats.

I'm pretty sure i've read that Kawhi was 1-13 against Isaac. Gordon was his main defender. Showing avg. stats in a series to show how someone defend isnt really expedient. Another example. 1st game this season vs Tor. Siakam had a good game. Reality was, he only made 2 baskets vs. Isaac (1 when Isaac slipped), the rest was against Gordon or on switches against other players.

Btw I'm probably Isaac's biggest supporter here, with Prime. He is my fav. player in the post Dwight era, but i worry about that extension too. We doesnt even know if he lost a step after that injury. If he loses a step he probably is no elite defender anymore. This comes on top of his injury history.

Doesn't that show complete lack of actual impact on team's defense ( unlike Gobert or Davis ) where he is asked to do it in organized basketball , in playoffs, and he plays like poopster?

Magic prided themselfs as " best defensive wings" with him and Gordon. And Siakam ( who isn't even that great ) and Kawhi averaged 50 points a game on 55% FG.

Sure, switching is a thing, but switching isn't only way how they were scoring at them.
What's the actual value of defensive specialist if in playoffs his impact to actual defense is zero.


Gobert is probably only nba player that is worth being payed for defense alone. Others are not. Playoffs expose half baked cookies.
Isaac was unplayable because of his offense.

It was 2 years ago but since that, all he menaged to do is to collect 34 regular season games and miss more playoff games. And that is it for him for 2019-20 and 2020-21 season.

[MagicFan101]

Isaac was unplayable because of his offense.

lol, wow. So the conversation is no longer about being overpaid. Isaac is now completely "unplayable" to you? Your irrational rant has spiraled quickly.

How many more posts until you are blaming Isaac for 9/11 or framing him for staging the Moon Landing?

[PrimeThyme]

Yeah, my issue with the deal has nothing to do with the player. A healthy Isaac is worth this money and more imo. I think he's a perennial first/second team all defender when healthy and is a potential multiple time DPOY winner. Not to mention the fact that he also has a budding offensive skill set.

There is just no denying however that committing 1/5th of your team's salary to a player who will have one healthy season in 4 years is an extreme risk.

I'd have much preferred us to have minimized the risk as much as possible with the negotiations and the contract we handed out, && I just don't believe that we did.

[pepe1991]

Isaac was unplayable because of his offense.

lol, wow. So the conversation is no longer about being overpaid. Isaac is now completely "unplayable" to you? Your irrational rant has spiraled quickly.

How many more posts until you are blaming Isaac for 9/11 or framing him for staging the Moon Landing?

Only irrational here is you. Because you can't even read whole damn post. We talked about nba playoffs and series against Raptors.

In game 4 he only played 16 min because he was complete no factor on offense 0, points, 2 turnvoers, 3 fouls,0 steals, 0 blocks, 6 rebounds shooting split 0-4 FG.

Game 5 , 28 min. 3 points ( 1-7 FG) , 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers , 1 foul.

If that's playable i would like to know what execlly is unplayable to you ? Tony Snell , playing 30 min with triple zeros?

[zaymon]

Why are we now jerking off to Morey ? He is clearly above average GM but he had generational scorer and won zero championships. He proved that he doesnt understand team chemistry, and he left no assets in Houston. He made a bunch of moves but how much better is Philadelphia really ?
Their lead ball handler is..... Seth Curry...... wait what ? Thats much worse than Evan Fournier. His backcourt partner is 33 years old declining Danny Green who averaged about 8 points a game for his carrier. Yeah brilliant. I dont know if there were any better moves, but lets not act he is some kind of genius.

[pepe1991]

Return to sport timing
The time elapsed since surgery alone does not reflect the condition of the knee; however there are still important implications relating to this post-surgery timeframe. The ligament reconstruction in ACL surgery requires time to heal and regain strength, as do the surrounding muscles which will have depleted in strength, stability and proprioception. This healing phase needs to occur despite extensive rehabilitation. Indeed, statistics show that around 70% of ruptures occur within the first 6 months post-surgery8.

A secondary concern is the significantly increased risk of osteoarthritis in those who also sustain a meniscal injury along with the ACL. Research suggests that 50% of these patients will require meniscus surgery within 5 years9. Post-ACL surgery trauma could therefore accelerate this meniscal damage, increasing the prognosis of osteoarthritis from 0-13% to 21-48%, with a potentially significantly poorer outlook for future knee health10. This is often because athletes return to sport too early and the surgery is not yet fully robust, coupled with the fact that the knee hasn’t regained effective neuromuscular function to cope with extra demands11. Beyond 6 months however, there is a 50% reduction in rupture risk for every month return to play is delayed12.

[pepe1991]

Why are we now jerking off to Morey ? He is clearly above average GM but he had generational scorer and won zero championships. He proved that he doesnt understand team chemistry, and he left no assets in Houston. He made a bunch of moves but how much better is Philadelphia really ?
Their lead ball handler is..... Seth Curry...... wait what ? Thats much worse than Evan Fournier. His backcourt partner is 33 years old declining Danny Green who averaged about 8 points a game for his carrier. Yeah brilliant. I dont know if there were any better moves, but lets not act he is some kind of genius.

Are you high ?

In Daryl Morey‘s first season as general manager of the Houston Rockets in 2007-08, his team won 55 games.

Over his 13 years as GM, the Rockets became one of the NBA’s consistently best teams, winning a total of 640 regular-season games.

Only the San Antonio Spurs, who won 701, had more during that span.

He didn't " have" generational talent Harden, he traded Jeremy Lamb and Kevin Martin for him, making fools of OKC.

Daryly Morey NEVER had losing season as GM in his 13 years.

Their lead handler is... i don't know did you ever heard of him, but that Ben Simmons guy.

Our GM set 2 records with Bucks.

4th worst franchise season in history and the worst franchise season in histoy. What a trooper!

[zaymon]

Why are we now jerking off to Morey ? He is clearly above average GM but he had generational scorer and won zero championships. He proved that he doesnt understand team chemistry, and he left no assets in Houston. He made a bunch of moves but how much better is Philadelphia really ?
Their lead ball handler is..... Seth Curry...... wait what ? Thats much worse than Evan Fournier. His backcourt partner is 33 years old declining Danny Green who averaged about 8 points a game for his carrier. Yeah brilliant. I dont know if there were any better moves, but lets not act he is some kind of genius.

Are you high ?

In Daryl Morey‘s first season as general manager of the Houston Rockets in 2007-08, his team won 55 games.

Over his 13 years as GM, the Rockets became one of the NBA’s consistently best teams, winning a total of 640 regular-season games.

Only the San Antonio Spurs, who won 701, had more during that span.

He didn't " have" generational talent Harden, he traded Jeremy Lamb and Kevin Martin for him, making fools of OKC.

Daryly Morey NEVER had losing season as GM in his 13 years.

Their lead handler is... i don't know did you ever heard of him, but that Ben Simmons guy.

Our GM set 2 records with Bucks.

4th worst franchise season in history and the worst franchise season in histoy. What a trooper!

Hahaha you make me high. I am really sorry to bring this up to you but Benjamin Simmons is not a good pick and roll ball handler becouse he CANT SHOOT. Thats why 76ers made last second change in the playoffs to make Jimmy Butler ball handler.

[SOUL]

Pepe man I just think it's that you're arguing in four diff threads. This one, Cole thread, Fultz thread, Isaac thread. You don't like anyone we draft no matter the archetype unless they're a star. You don't like Fultz or Isaac, Bamba, Chuma, Cole, AG, iffy on Ross. I know you like Vuc and Evan (who you are less high on now). Which is all good and well, I'm not a fan of every player or most of what WeHam has done, but at the end of the day the alternative is running it back yet again where our best thing we've done is luck our way into game 1 wins in the playoffs as 7th/8th seeds and at our worst are lottery teams, then sign some **** vet in the offseason. What direction to you want us to go in exactly that is viable if we're not committing to younger players? I mean, we can package some of them for a star potentially in the future but that will require them playing and getting their value up a bit.

[Bensational]

The problem with discussions with Pepe is that he's often not arguing in sake of something better, he's just criticising what's already here.

Last season when we could've had cap space by releasing Vuc and Ross and moving Fournier, but then the argument was cap space was useless since nobody will sign here anyway. So we resigned them, and had no cap space to add anyone else. Now we've maxed out our (already nonexistent) capspace with the only assets we've got and suddenly capspace is our biggest concern?

We won't upgrade the team by continuing to add the players like DJ whom Pepe seems to love because they are established veterans who will only want to play with contenders and we lack contending talent. To get that our guys need to develop (which Pepe doesn't believe in) or we need to move some players which Pepe has previously been opposed to.

In a nutshell it's complaining for the sake of complaining.

[pepe1991]

Pepe man I just think it's that you're arguing in four diff threads. This one, Cole thread, Fultz thread, Isaac thread. You don't like anyone we draft no matter the archetype unless they're a star. You don't like Fultz or Isaac, Bamba, Chuma, Cole, AG, iffy on Ross. I know you like Vuc and Evan (who you are less high on now). Which is all good and well, I'm not a fan of every player or most of what WeHam has done, but at the end of the day the alternative is running it back yet again where our best thing we've done is luck our way into game 1 wins in the playoffs as 7th/8th seeds and at our worst are lottery teams, then sign some **** vet in the offseason. What direction to you want us to go in exactly that is viable if we're not committing to younger players? I mean, we can package some of them for a star potentially in the future but that will require them playing and getting their value up a bit.

Who execlly i can be fan off?

I was just going to post it , but this is how objective pages, writest and exeperts are lookint at Orlando, power ranking :

Sports Illustrated - Magic at 24
Is there an organization in greater stasis than Orlando? The Magic haven’t won a playoff series in the last 10 years, and they’ve treaded water with a .471 winning percentage across the last two seasons. Expect a similar trajectory in 2020–21. Franchise headliner Jonathan Isaac is out for the year, and the rest of the roster features a collection of pieces that don’t quite fit. Aaron Gordon isn’t a capable lead playmaker. Nikola Vučević provides some scoring punch and little else. Markelle Fultz does provide some intrigue, though it remains in question how much of an impact he can make with a broken jump shot. Don’t be shocked if we see Orlando take a dip in the Eastern Conference standings in 2020–21. — Michael Shapiro

NBC Sports - Magic at 22
The Magic’s best-case scenario may be a slow start that finally convinces the front office to put Aaron Gordon, Nikola Vucevic and Evan Fournier on the trade market to initiate a rebuild. The more likely scenario is that Orlando hovers around .500 while battling for a spot in the East play-in tournament. — Darren Hartwell

ESPN - Magic at 19
As has been the case for years, they are currently in arguably the worst place to be in pro sports: the middle. On top of Fultz’s and Anthony’s development, they’ve got to hope that 2019 first-rounder Chuma Okeke has a nice first year after missing all of last season while rehabbing from a knee injury.

Steve Clifford is one of the most respected coaches in the league, but he still doesn’t have the kind of star that every team needs to build around. The Magic haven’t been nationally relevant since trading Dwight Howard and desperately need their young core to continue to grow and develop together.

Do they trade Aaron Gordon and try to shake things up and build more assets? There aren’t a lot of moves that can get the Magic out of the hole of mediocrity they’ve created. — Nick Friedell

And probably most painful one, Zach Lowe openly mocking Orlando

One rookie could change this calculus: Cole Anthony in Orlando. With D.J. Augustin gone and both Jonathan Isaac and Al-Farouq Aminu injured, the playoff-incumbent Magic feel dangerously thin. Two fringe players — James Ennis III and Dwayne Bacon — are battling for the starting small forward spot.

This is a team that kept Vučević, Gordon and Evan just to not end up being worst team in nba. That decision also crippled any hope to get young star through a draft, in mean time draft odds changed and killed tanking as objective soluation to get a star, and now, whole team is operating like rehabilation center for draft busts ( Fultz, Ross, MCW, Bamba ) and injuried players ( isaac, Aminu, Okeke) that just happends to signs every single walking mediocrity on 4 years contract. Because trades are hard and scouting before draft is also- hard.

Since November of 2011, when Dwight asked a trade, 10 yearas later, this team did apsolutley N.O.T.H.I.N.G.
In 9 years they won grand total of THREE playoff games.

And it's 2021, they still have nobody to build team around. It's just never ending process of overvaluing guys like Gordon in past, Isaac, Fultz in present, talking themselfs into notion they are some elite prospects that just "need time" to turn around 7 years later and see " oh s*** i was wrong" . Something every person with grain of brain saw ---at least 5 years ago.

[basketballRob]

Isaac was unplayable because of his offense.

lol, wow. So the conversation is no longer about being overpaid. Isaac is now completely "unplayable" to you? Your irrational rant has spiraled quickly.

How many more posts until you are blaming Isaac for 9/11 or framing him for staging the Moon Landing?

Only irrational here is you. Because you can't even read whole damn post. We talked about nba playoffs and series against Raptors.

In game 4 he only played 16 min because he was complete no factor on offense 0, points, 2 turnvoers, 3 fouls,0 steals, 0 blocks, 6 rebounds shooting split 0-4 FG.

Game 5 , 28 min. 3 points ( 1-7 FG) , 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers , 1 foul.

If that's playable i would like to know what execlly is unplayable to you ? Tony Snell , playing 30 min with triple zeros?

Based on what Fournier has done the last couple years in the playoffs, should we waive him?

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[MagicFan101]

lol, wow. So the conversation is no longer about being overpaid. Isaac is now completely "unplayable" to you? Your irrational rant has spiraled quickly.

How many more posts until you are blaming Isaac for 9/11 or framing him for staging the Moon Landing?

Only irrational here is you. Because you can't even read whole damn post. We talked about nba playoffs and series against Raptors.

In game 4 he only played 16 min because he was complete no factor on offense 0, points, 2 turnvoers, 3 fouls,0 steals, 0 blocks, 6 rebounds shooting split 0-4 FG.

Game 5 , 28 min. 3 points ( 1-7 FG) , 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers , 1 foul.

If that's playable i would like to know what execlly is unplayable to you ? Tony Snell , playing 30 min with triple zeros?

Based on what Fournier has done the last couple years in the playoffs, should we waive him?

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If Isaac is “unplayable” then Evan owes us money.

[pepe1991]

The problem with discussions with Pepe is that he's often not arguing in sake of something better, he's just criticising what's already here.

Last season when we could've had cap space by releasing Vuc and Ross and moving Fournier, but then the argument was cap space was useless since nobody will sign here anyway. So we resigned them, and had no cap space to add anyone else. Now we've maxed out our (already nonexistent) capspace with the only assets we've got and suddenly capspace is our biggest concern?

We won't upgrade the team by continuing to add the players like DJ whom Pepe seems to love because they are established veterans who will only want to play with contenders and we lack contending talent. To get that our guys need to develop (which Pepe doesn't believe in) or we need to move some players which Pepe has previously been opposed to.

In a nutshell it's complaining for the sake of complaining.

it's not complaining for sake of complaining and i'll you why.

Cap space isn't usless. it's easly the strongest and most direct way how to change trajectory of a team.
But it's usless when team like Orlando Magic opens cap space in 2016 without ANY clue who they want, stumbling into whole thing like coked up Tony Montana in after-party,ready to waste some money on whoever comes.

Magic , in 2016 collosal gap at PG and SF spot. We were starting Elfrid Payton and we had no starting SF. That's how whole Gordon -SF stupidity started.
So in 2016 among many, many good names there were: Mike Conley, Rajon Rondo, Livingston, Lin, Jack , Batum, Covington,Henderson , Harkless . And where not all of those names are world beaters ( well Conley was) , all of them seemed like logical addition to a team that has very open need for their services.
Instad, we ended up with Biyombo, that nobody wanted or asked for, tied to 4 years huge contract , and Jeff f*** Green on $15M one year contract.

Today, 5 years later, most of us gave up on whole cap space as asset, because, frankly, team programmed us to thinking that way, just because they were : a) clueless and b) never had cap space after.

Last season when we could've had cap space by releasing Vuc and Ross and moving Fournier, but then the argument was cap space was useless since nobody will sign here anyway.

First of all there is massive misconception that Evan is re-signed by current front office. Nop. He re-signed with Hennigan. It's something that is being repeated over and over and isn't corret.

Second, last time Magic were betting future on development of young players your and me were up each other's throats about Gordon. Kawhi crap and all that nonsense. Well, since you were one blowing that wagon, maybe you can explain in details what happend and why he is not multiple allstar, 25 ppg player , DPOY, MVP candidate. What i know about development ,right? I'm just complaning hater. So go ahead, floor is yours.

btw i just remembered that Skybox owns me something in bet we had about Gordon being 20 ppg scorer and allstar in 2019-20.