Around the NBA - new season chatter

3toheadmelo · Post #521 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:17 pm

What was the pelicans thinking when they hired stan van gundy

Chanel Bomber · Post #522 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:18 pm

cgf wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Zion and Ingram are an awkward fit. They remind me of Melo and Amar'e.

They play two very different styles of basketball.

They are certainly very different, but I love that pairing for them moving with. Both are very smart kids who occupy a lot of different parts of the court & can create for their team-mates with the ball in their hands. They'll be a problem as they figure this league out & Zion's shooting comes along.

I like the long-term potential as Zion and Ingram gives them the option of playing two different styles of basketball. It offers New Orleans versatility.

But Zion will need a PNR partner who can shoot off the dribble from 3 to reach his absolute ceiling (Lonzo is a different type of PG and not the kind Zion needs imo). Then you have a devastating PNR offense AND an elite isolation scorer. Zion and Ingram can play together, but Ingram will not elevate Zion was my point.

TheGreenArrow · Post #523 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:20 pm

HEZI wrote:Miami Heat play such beautiful basketball man. The ball movement, the player movement, the way they click and work together is so nice

Hopefully thibs has us playing that way in year 2 or 3.

Post #524 » by **DOT** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:22 pm

Meanwhile on the flip side, the Heat built a really good team with way less draft capital to work with than we have

Like, 2 late lotto picks, a 20th pick, and 2 UDFAs while we're here with 4 top 10 picks (one of whom was 3rd overall) and we still suck

I feel like Jeff Bridges in Iron Man. Pat Riley built this in a CAVE. With a box of SCRAPS.

cgf · Post #525 » by **cgf** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:23 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
cgf wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Zion and Ingram are an awkward fit. They remind me of Melo and Amar'e.

They play two very different styles of basketball.

They are certainly very different, but I love that pairing for them moving with. Both are very smart kids who occupy a lot of different parts of the court & can create for their team-mates with the ball in their hands. They'll be a problem as they figure this league out & Zion's shooting comes along.

I like the long-term potential as Zion and Ingram gives them the option of playing two different styles of basketball. It offers New Orleans versatility.

But Zion will need a PNR partner who can shoot off the dribble from 3 to reach his absolute ceiling. Then you have a devastating PNR offense AND an elite isolation scorer. Zion and Ingram can play together, but Ingram will not elevate Zion was my point.

That I agree with. At some point they need to use their arsenal to trade for the right third star, or they'll never become real contenders, but they're in a good position to make that move if the right piece comes available.

HEZI · Post #526 » by **HEZI** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:24 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
HEZI wrote:Miami Heat play such beautiful basketball man. The ball movement, the player movement, the way they click and work together is so nice

Hopefully thibs has us playing that way in year 2 or 3.

You need pieces that fit. This wouldn't work for the Heat with the Hassan Whiteside, Dion Waiters type of guys so roster construction is crucial

3toheadmelo · Post #527 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:24 pm

K-DOT wrote:Meanwhile on the flip side, the Heat built a really good team with way less draft capital to work with than we have

Like, 2 late lotto picks, a 20th pick, and 2 UDFAs while we're here with 4 top 10 picks (one of whom was 3rd overall) and we still suck

I feel like Jeff Bridges in Iron Man. Pat Riley built this in a CAVE. With a box of SCRAPS.

Precious Achiuwa is gonna be another guy that the Heat stole in the draft

TheGreenArrow · Post #528 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:36 pm

This Zion is still very good but I don’t think we’ll ever see Duke Zion ever again.

Montmorencie · Post #529 » by **Montmorencie** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:38 pm

Lol RJ firing shots rightfully. :lol:

The guy's hilarious.

HEZI · Post #530 » by **HEZI** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:39 pm

K-DOT wrote:Meanwhile on the flip side, the Heat built a really good team with way less draft capital to work with than we have

Like, 2 late lotto picks, a 20th pick, and 2 UDFAs while we're here with 4 top 10 picks (one of whom was 3rd overall) and we still suck

I feel like Jeff Bridges in Iron Man. Pat Riley built this in a CAVE. With a box of SCRAPS.

Look at all the talent on the Pelicans, their entire starting lineup is like top 2 picks and their bench a bunch of lotto picks.

They still suck and can't hang with the Heat

BrOnXKing1 · Post #531 » by **BrOnXKing1** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:40 pm

Watching Zion, I think weight is going to plague him throughout his career. His build is just wide and he seems like a guy who will have a hard time keeping the weight off

Chanel Bomber · Post #532 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:44 pm

K-DOT wrote:Meanwhile on the flip side, the Heat built a really good team with way less draft capital to work with than we have

Like, 2 late lotto picks, a 20th pick, and 2 UDFAs while we're here with 4 top 10 picks (one of whom was 3rd overall) and we still suck

I feel like Jeff Bridges in Iron Man. Pat Riley built this in a CAVE. With a box of SCRAPS.

The Heat target the right archetypes.

Whether they pan out or not is a different question (they have for Miami), but they know how to identify talent and find players who will have a role in the NBA from day 1 because they can count on at least 1 skill to contribute, which also helps their development.

Their understanding of basketball is way above ours. The Knicks have drafted too many players who don't have a role in the modern NBA.

Montmorencie · Post #533 » by **Montmorencie** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:45 pm

Those soft fouls on Zion tho... the guy is a force, don't gloat sulk guys, he is in another universe compared to our 'talents' including RJ.

evevale · Post #534 » by **evevale** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:47 pm

Ball and Bledsoe duo is gonna be building a brick skyscraper this season. I'm guessing they move one or the other at some point because the combination of the two, along with the lack of outside shooting from Zion and Stevens, is gonna cause tons of problems for spacing.

3toheadmelo · Post #535 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:51 pm

Achiuwa gonna break out in year 3 like Bam

cgf · Post #536 » by **cgf** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:52 pm

evevale wrote:Ball and Bledsoe duo is gonna be building a brick skyscraper this season. I'm guessing they move one or the other at some point because the combination of the two, along with the lack of outside shooting from Zion and Stevens, is gonna cause tons of problems for spacing.

...Ball is a good 3pt shooter...

3toheadmelo · Post #537 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:59 pm

Moe Harkless looking like a young Lance Thomas

Post #538 » by **K_ick_God** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:04 pm

Montmorencie wrote:Those soft fouls on Zion tho... the guy is a force, don't gloat sulk guys, he is in another universe compared to our 'talents' including RJ.

I like Zion a lot but I don’t agree Mr. Perfect.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #539 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:05 pm

Ingram is cooking

3toheadmelo · Post #540 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:05 pm

I should’ve traded Josh Jackson for Ingram in BAF when I had the chance