Killian Hayes, most complete PG of the 2020 class

[King Ken]

After listening to the Prep2Pro episodes that focused on Killian Hayes, I have to say that I'm now significantly lower on Hayes. I think there's a pretty good chance that his defense is better than his offense in year 3 in the NBA. He doesn't have any rhythm on his shot unless he's going left to right for a OTD shot. Unless he significantly improves his rhythm and footwork as well as improves his right hand dramatically, his offensive game has a fairly low ceiling.

I've been saying for a while his defense is better than his offense. His best case scenario is Gary Payton

[GimmeDat]

After listening to the Prep2Pro episodes that focused on Killian Hayes, I have to say that I'm now significantly lower on Hayes. I think there's a pretty good chance that his defense is better than his offense in year 3 in the NBA. He doesn't have any rhythm on his shot unless he's going left to right for a OTD shot. Unless he significantly improves his rhythm and footwork as well as improves his right hand dramatically, his offensive game has a fairly low ceiling.

I've been saying for a while his defense is better than his offense. His best case scenario is Gary Payton

Not sure Hayes defense is that good

[kobyz]

After listening to the Prep2Pro episodes that focused on Killian Hayes, I have to say that I'm now significantly lower on Hayes. I think there's a pretty good chance that his defense is better than his offense in year 3 in the NBA. He doesn't have any rhythm on his shot unless he's going left to right for a OTD shot. Unless he significantly improves his rhythm and footwork as well as improves his right hand dramatically, his offensive game has a fairly low ceiling.

I've been saying for a while his defense is better than his offense. His best case scenario is Gary Payton

Almost, more Derek Harper

[iLLmatic860]

Knicks need to do anything they can to draft Hayes

[OGLife]

What about a Billups type ceiling? Not really athletic but a high IQ floor general who could get his shot off efficiently.

Maybe im way off though cause i havent really seen him play other then highlights lol.

That's Theo

[Ruzious]

I might be overrating him a little, but I see his ceiling at Brandon Roy - remembering Hayes is so young and might not be done growing. Damn, I wish Roy's career wasn't cut short.

[Roddy B for 3]

Killian looks like he has a really bad jump shot, his form doesn't look good. I'm not sure if I'm reading the box scores correctly, but is he only shooting 16% from three this year in the Euro league?

Hayes played EuroCup this year and shot 39% (16/41) from 3. Only 22% (12/55) in the German first division, though, which means 29% on the season. But yeah, his form needs to be adjusted. What I will say, though, is that he is a player that seems to be shooting better when it's an in-game situation. I've seen him badly brick a lot of shots during shoot-arounds and was surprised he was confident and shooting better (incl. how the shots look) during the games. I normally would be more worried about his shot but the one thing that makes me somewhat confident in his ability to develop in this regard is his free-throw shooting. He's 87% (72/83) on FTs this season, which is impressive especially for his age. He clearly has a natural shooting touch (evidenced also by some on his floaters) that should allow him to improve gradually.

I'm under the impression that in German league he was coached to be extremely conservative with his shoot selection. He may have been taking an abnormally high percentage of shot clock buzzer beater s compared to if he can just "cook"

[BostonCouchGM]

No posts in this since April? Let's bump this.

Am I crazy as a Hornets fan to want Hayes as my #3?

Far from crazy. I think alot of people would take him 3. What I am hoping is once he starts working on his body and gets some NBA training in his athleticism goes up a tick. The skill set is there and will develop more. No question in my mind he is top 5 talent.

yeah, I haven't been a fan but you have to remember, a few years ago they started allowing illegal moving screens to enable ball handlers that up till then, could never run an NBA offense due to limited athleticism, inconsistent shot creation, defense, turnovers, and handle, to get bigs switched onto them so those major flaws were limited. He's going to be just like Luka and Ball in that regard. High BBIQ, elite passing and everything else will be overlooked because they want him to be a star. I agree, if he transformed his body and improved his shot, through hard work and diligence, the day where he won't need that illegal screen at the top of the key might someday come. Unlike Luka and Ball, I think he will defend and actually might have some athletic upside. Not enough for me to take him in the top 10 though. I think a lot would come down to his interview. If he's driven and mature, I'd take him late lottery. If he's a knucklehead it'd be closer to #20.

[shotsquatch]

Love this kid. Hoping he falls to the Celts.

[Ruzious]

Love this kid. Hoping he falls to the Celts.

He won't, but the Celtics have more than enough ammo to trade up for him. Who would be a better fit for the Celtics; Hayes or Haliburton?

[rmfc]

Love this kid. Hoping he falls to the Celts.

No chance. If Hayes is available at #7, he, most probably, will be the next Pistons player.

[rmfc]

No posts in this since April? Let's bump this.

Am I crazy as a Hornets fan to want Hayes as my #3?

Far from crazy. I think alot of people would take him 3. What I am hoping is once he starts working on his body and gets some NBA training in his athleticism goes up a tick. The skill set is there and will develop more. No question in my mind he is top 5 talent.

yeah, I haven't been a fan but you have to remember, a few years ago they started allowing illegal moving screens to enable ball handlers that up till then, could never run an NBA offense due to limited athleticism, inconsistent shot creation, defense, turnovers, and handle, to get bigs switched onto them so those major flaws were limited. He's going to be just like Luka and Ball in that regard. High BBIQ, elite passing and everything else will be overlooked because they want him to be a star. I agree, if he transformed his body and improved his shot, through hard work and diligence, the day where he won't need that illegal screen at the top of the key might someday come. Unlike Luka and Ball, I think he will defend and actually might have some athletic upside. Not enough for me to take him in the top 10 though. I think a lot would come down to his interview. If he's driven and mature, I'd take him late lottery. If he's a knucklehead it'd be closer to #20.

Who are your top 10 players in the 2020 draft class?

[tundraknight]

Starting to really like him. We should start a French connection with him and Sekou

You definitely spoke that into existence.

[MotownMadness]

Starting to really like him. We should start a French connection with him and Sekou

You definitely spoke that into existence.

Lol, it will be alright.

[atlantabbq99]

Killian looks like he has a really bad jump shot, his form doesn't look good. I'm not sure if I'm reading the box scores correctly, but is he only shooting 16% from three this year in the Euro league?

Hayes played EuroCup this year and shot 39% (16/41) from 3. Only 22% (12/55) in the German first division, though, which means 29% on the season. But yeah, his form needs to be adjusted. What I will say, though, is that he is a player that seems to be shooting better when it's an in-game situation. I've seen him badly brick a lot of shots during shoot-arounds and was surprised he was confident and shooting better (incl. how the shots look) during the games. I normally would be more worried about his shot but the one thing that makes me somewhat confident in his ability to develop in this regard is his free-throw shooting. He's 87% (72/83) on FTs this season, which is impressive especially for his age. He clearly has a natural shooting touch (evidenced also by some on his floaters) that should allow him to improve gradually.

I really don’t understand how people are so excited about a PG prospect that can’t pass or finish with his off hand.

I agree, the more I watch Killian, the more that he looks very ordinary and looks alot like Exum.

How is he anything like Exum? Completely different strengths-weaknesses-profile.

How is he anything like Exum? Completely different strengths-weaknesses-profile.

Same skin tone. Same height. Same wingspan. Both are combo guards. /s

Both, athletic, good ball handling. poor shooters, both over hyped.

I am really not sure if you are trolling or you just need a new set of eyes, you can't be like this wrong unless it's on purpose

Its still early to tell, but Killian has performed in his rookie season just like expected, which is very poor and bust-like.

Kill has a very poor jump shot like Exum and when I watched him in France, there was nothing about his game that looked special and he just looked very average and boaring. Just like Exum who when I watched him in Australia looked very average and boaring.

I can see why some novice NBA fans might like Killian and Exum but i never understood overhype by other fans.

[God Squad]

Killian looks like he has a really bad jump shot, his form doesn't look good. I'm not sure if I'm reading the box scores correctly, but is he only shooting 16% from three this year in the Euro league?

Hayes played EuroCup this year and shot 39% (16/41) from 3. Only 22% (12/55) in the German first division, though, which means 29% on the season. But yeah, his form needs to be adjusted. What I will say, though, is that he is a player that seems to be shooting better when it's an in-game situation. I've seen him badly brick a lot of shots during shoot-arounds and was surprised he was confident and shooting better (incl. how the shots look) during the games. I normally would be more worried about his shot but the one thing that makes me somewhat confident in his ability to develop in this regard is his free-throw shooting. He's 87% (72/83) on FTs this season, which is impressive especially for his age. He clearly has a natural shooting touch (evidenced also by some on his floaters) that should allow him to improve gradually.

I agree, the more I watch Killian, the more that he looks very ordinary and looks alot like Exum.

How is he anything like Exum? Completely different strengths-weaknesses-profile.

Same skin tone. Same height. Same wingspan. Both are combo guards. /s

Both, athletic, good ball handling. poor shooters, both over hyped.

I am really not sure if you are trolling or you just need a new set of eyes, you can't be like this wrong unless it's on purpose

Its still early to tell, but Killian has performed in his rookie season just like expected, which is very poor and bust-like.

Kill has a very poor jump shot like Exum and when I watched him in France, there was nothing about his game that looked special and he just looked very average and boaring. Just like Exum who when I watched him in Australia looked very average and boaring.

I can see why some novice NBA fans might like Killian and Exum but i never understood overhype by other fans.

He was very much average and TBH was a big part of Detriot'slosing struggles early on. Giving him free reign early instead of bringing him along slowly. I'm not sure if he's Dante Exum, But he's looking extremely over hyped atm. Also its "Boring"

[Mr Peanut]

Killian looks like he has a really bad jump shot, his form doesn't look good. I'm not sure if I'm reading the box scores correctly, but is he only shooting 16% from three this year in the Euro league?

Hayes played EuroCup this year and shot 39% (16/41) from 3. Only 22% (12/55) in the German first division, though, which means 29% on the season. But yeah, his form needs to be adjusted. What I will say, though, is that he is a player that seems to be shooting better when it's an in-game situation. I've seen him badly brick a lot of shots during shoot-arounds and was surprised he was confident and shooting better (incl. how the shots look) during the games. I normally would be more worried about his shot but the one thing that makes me somewhat confident in his ability to develop in this regard is his free-throw shooting. He's 87% (72/83) on FTs this season, which is impressive especially for his age. He clearly has a natural shooting touch (evidenced also by some on his floaters) that should allow him to improve gradually.

I agree, the more I watch Killian, the more that he looks very ordinary and looks alot like Exum.

How is he anything like Exum? Completely different strengths-weaknesses-profile.

Same skin tone. Same height. Same wingspan. Both are combo guards. /s

Both, athletic, good ball handling. poor shooters, both over hyped.

I am really not sure if you are trolling or you just need a new set of eyes, you can't be like this wrong unless it's on purpose

Its still early to tell, but Killian has performed in his rookie season just like expected, which is very poor and bust-like.

Kill has a very poor jump shot like Exum and when I watched him in France, there was nothing about his game that looked special and he just looked very average and boaring. Just like Exum who when I watched him in Australia looked very average and boaring.

I can see why some novice NBA fans might like Killian and Exum but i never understood overhype by other fans.

Basically everything in your post became irrelevant after you opened with those five words.

Killian was thrown in the deep end after basically no offseason/summer league and, as expected, being a 19 year old rookie in the best basketball league in the world made him look decidedly terrible for his first 7 games before getting injured.

But when he returned he did look much improved, at least from a playmaking perspective. His shooting and other facets of his game still have a long way to go but there's certainly promise and it would be foolish to write him off so early.

[Mirotic12]

Hayes was an average EuroCup point guard. EuroCup is the league level below the EuroLeague level. For context, some EuroCup MVPs have failed to do jack squat in EuroLeague.

The Pistons were delusional if they thought he was going to do anything as a starting point guard this season.

[reamily]

The most complete point guard in 2020 draft class says it all

[Martinez]

Looks like nobody watched him after he came back from his injury