Trade Discussion 22/23

[DBoys]

Oladipo to start the season

22 pts 4 rebs 4 asts 1 stl
9-14 FG 2-5 3PT 1-1 FT

22 pts 7 rebs 1 ast 2 stls
8-12 FG 5-5 3PT 1-1 FT

Yes Oladipo has had 2 good offensive games in a row to start the season. (Indy has done somewhat better with him on the bench, however - they are +13 in his 53 minutes, and +20 in the 43 minutes he has been on the bench - so that bears watching.) But it's certainly a promising start, considering that before the season began, there was no value whatsoever in a trade for him, considering Indy's asking price and Oladipo's contract demands, in light of his track record.

If he continues to play at a high level, maybe there will be a reason to want to trade for him. But that's a big "if" because the cost will certainly continue to be be significant.

[JD45]

Oladipo would help the Mavs his season. But I would be reluctant to give up a lot for him. He can't be extended for the amount he wants, so he would be a free agent at the end of the year. Maybe he would make a handshake agreement to sign an extension in the Summer, but if not, there is real risk he goes elsewhere. He has indicated he would like to got to Miami.

[ejs78]

Know its early, but I'll be watching the Bulls some again today. If they get trucked for a 3rd start game lineup changes could be coming early. Seeing very little effort from them.

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[daoneandonly]

I dont understand the Zach Lavine praise at all. The guy as as horrific as a defender as you'll find in the league. its not an exaggeration to say he's a younger Kevin Martin, because he is.

[Teffer10]

I dont understand the Zach Lavine praise at all. The guy as as horrific as a defender as you'll find in the league. its not an exaggeration to say he's a younger Kevin Martin, because he is.

Can't say I'm an expert by any means on Lavine but what I've seen is that he would provide about the same as THJ so that would be a lateral move imo.
I'm ok with trading for him but not sure he solves any of our pressing issues.
Offense should not be a problem, especially when KP returns.
Obviously a championship will have to go through LA so if we are planning to make a trade, it better be for someone that can help combat a LeBron/Davis/Gasol front line. We need a defensive oriented PF imo.

[ejs78]

Yes for as athletic as he is he's a terrible defender. Only reason I would target him is I feel we need a legit 3rd option or 2nd when KP is out. Depending on the trade you might get Porter jr or Young back for the added D.

I dont understand the Zach Lavine praise at all. The guy as as horrific as a defender as you'll find in the league. its not an exaggeration to say he's a younger Kevin Martin, because he is.

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[arkuo]

Swap THJ for a starting PF, have Dorian slide back to SF. Start Richardson at SG.

[daoneandonly]

Swap THJ for a starting PF, have Dorian slide back to SF. Start Richardson at SG.

Which PF do you think would be attainable? And which would also be able to space the floor which would be an issue since we'd be losing THJ and CUrry from last year? I dont disagree with your thought process, just not sure who that guy is.

[arkuo]

Swap THJ for a starting PF, have Dorian slide back to SF. Start Richardson at SG.

Which PF do you think would be attainable? And which would also be able to space the floor which would be an issue since we'd be losing THJ and CUrry from last year? I dont disagree with your thought process, just not sure who that guy is.

The perfect fit would have been Jonathan Isaac man.. Just all the defense there, and he would not demand 20 shots a game to be effective. This is why Im not sure about maxing out John Collins. He will need a lot of touches to be effective and isnt exactly a defender type.

But for what we have and what might be available, I'd still go for THJ + Powell for Tobias Harris + Shake Milton. Harris is still starter quality. he will get his 19 ppg. Shake Milton is a Josh RIchardson insurance policy just in case he decides to be cocky and opts out waiting for the Mavs to pay him above the $20M mark. You never know with Bill Duffy.

[Teffer10]

Swap THJ for a starting PF, have Dorian slide back to SF. Start Richardson at SG.

Which PF do you think would be attainable? And which would also be able to space the floor which would be an issue since we'd be losing THJ and CUrry from last year? I dont disagree with your thought process, just not sure who that guy is.

A short term solution might be Aminu. Not a true PF but an outstanding rebounder and can defend guys like LeBron, KD, PG, GA, KL and some others.
A nice rotation of DFS/Aminu/Johnson/Maxi at 3/4 would be nice defensively and like I said Aminu would vastly improve our rebounding issues.

I'd offer Powell/Terry/2nd rounder for Aminu.

[daoneandonly]

Swap THJ for a starting PF, have Dorian slide back to SF. Start Richardson at SG.

Which PF do you think would be attainable? And which would also be able to space the floor which would be an issue since we'd be losing THJ and CUrry from last year? I dont disagree with your thought process, just not sure who that guy is.

The perfect fit would have been Jonathan Isaac man.. Just all the defense there, and he would not demand 20 shots a game to be effective. This is why Im not sure about maxing out John Collins. He will need a lot of touches to be effective and isnt exactly a defender type.

But for what we have and what might be available, I'd still go for THJ + Powell for Tobias Harris + Shake Milton. Harris is still starter quality. he will get his 19 ppg. Shake Milton is a Josh RIchardson insurance policy just in case he decides to be cocky and opts out waiting for the Mavs to pay him above the $20M mark. You never know with Bill Duffy.

I feel like with that move, we'd become the 6ers of last year. A team with spacing issues that doesn't gel, I mean its 2 of their starters. Embiid >> Porzingis, and while Luka is a better offensive player than Simmons, no comparison defensively, so I don't see that team doing much of anything.

If that package could get us a returned Harrison Barnes, I'd think thats a better fit. He knows the system and is a better shooter and arguably defender. But dont think sac is interested in trading him and even if they were, would need a 3rd team to dump Powell on.

[arkuo]

Which PF do you think would be attainable? And which would also be able to space the floor which would be an issue since we'd be losing THJ and CUrry from last year? I dont disagree with your thought process, just not sure who that guy is.

The perfect fit would have been Jonathan Isaac man.. Just all the defense there, and he would not demand 20 shots a game to be effective. This is why Im not sure about maxing out John Collins. He will need a lot of touches to be effective and isnt exactly a defender type.

But for what we have and what might be available, I'd still go for THJ + Powell for Tobias Harris + Shake Milton. Harris is still starter quality. he will get his 19 ppg. Shake Milton is a Josh RIchardson insurance policy just in case he decides to be cocky and opts out waiting for the Mavs to pay him above the $20M mark. You never know with Bill Duffy.

I feel like with that move, we'd become the 6ers of last year. A team with spacing issues that doesn't gel, I mean its 2 of their starters. Embiid >> Porzingis, and while Luka is a better offensive player than Simmons, no comparison defensively, so I don't see that team doing much of anything.

If that package could get us a returned Harrison Barnes, I'd think thats a better fit. He knows the system and is a better shooter and arguably defender. But dont think sac is interested in trading him and even if they were, would need a 3rd team to dump Powell on.

Trading THJ for another expiring contract for 2022 is tricky. I can only see a couple of candidates. Terry Rozier being one. You're essentially "extending THJ" for one more year to get another expiring contract for 2022. That's when guys like Aaron Gordon become UFA. Gordon would be another good fit too.

I'd like to believe Tobias Harris would be another recipient of a performance boost similar to Richardson when he came over. The Sixers last year were a mess. Poor spacing, a point guard in Ben Simmons who cant shoot, plus Brett Brown who practically didnt know what he was doing. Simmons and Embiid are similar to Lebron and AD, if Brett Brown knew what he was doing, I feel they would have at least sniffed the ECF. I feel like Tobias is a Carlisle guy. Follows the Xs and Os. Sets screens and knows how to run plays. Should do well under Carlisle and Luka.

[arkuo]

Swap THJ for a starting PF, have Dorian slide back to SF. Start Richardson at SG.

Which PF do you think would be attainable? And which would also be able to space the floor which would be an issue since we'd be losing THJ and CUrry from last year? I dont disagree with your thought process, just not sure who that guy is.

A short term solution might be Aminu. Not a true PF but an outstanding rebounder and can defend guys like LeBron, KD, PG, GA, KL and some others.
A nice rotation of DFS/Aminu/Johnson/Maxi at 3/4 would be nice defensively and like I said Aminu would vastly improve our rebounding issues.

I'd offer Powell/Terry/2nd rounder for Aminu.

Somehow I'm curious about Lamarcus Aldridge more than Aminu. Use the cap space, sign Aldridge to a 2+1 deal. 3rd year team option. His game is not predicated on athleticism so his jumpers have aged well. And he is legitimately big enough to box out and contest for rebounds in the paint. I'd prefer we outsource that task on someone rather than have KP's knees bear the weight of those things. Have KP score more is the trade off.

[Teffer10]

The perfect fit would have been Jonathan Isaac man.. Just all the defense there, and he would not demand 20 shots a game to be effective. This is why Im not sure about maxing out John Collins. He will need a lot of touches to be effective and isnt exactly a defender type.

But for what we have and what might be available, I'd still go for THJ + Powell for Tobias Harris + Shake Milton. Harris is still starter quality. he will get his 19 ppg. Shake Milton is a Josh RIchardson insurance policy just in case he decides to be cocky and opts out waiting for the Mavs to pay him above the $20M mark. You never know with Bill Duffy.

I feel like with that move, we'd become the 6ers of last year. A team with spacing issues that doesn't gel, I mean its 2 of their starters. Embiid >> Porzingis, and while Luka is a better offensive player than Simmons, no comparison defensively, so I don't see that team doing much of anything.

If that package could get us a returned Harrison Barnes, I'd think thats a better fit. He knows the system and is a better shooter and arguably defender. But dont think sac is interested in trading him and even if they were, would need a 3rd team to dump Powell on.

Trading THJ for another expiring contract for 2022 is tricky. I can only see a couple of candidates. Terry Rozier being one. You're essentially "extending THJ" for one more year to get another expiring contract for 2022. That's when guys like Aaron Gordon become UFA. Gordon would be another good fit too.

I'd like to believe Tobias Harris would be another recipient of a performance boost similar to Richardson when he came over. The Sixers last year were a mess. Poor spacing, a point guard in Ben Simmons who cant shoot, plus Brett Brown who practically didnt know what he was doing. Simmons and Embiid are similar to Lebron and AD, if Brett Brown knew what he was doing, I feel they would have at least sniffed the ECF. I feel like Tobias is a Carlisle guy. Follows the Xs and Os. Sets screens and knows how to run plays. Should do well under Carlisle and Luka.

I guess I don't know that much about TH but man I just looked at his contract and it is enormous.
If he is an elite versatile defender and good floor spacer he'd probably be a nice addition because we definitely need another wing that can defend.
Is he a legit 3rd option?

But good lord, the guy is making mid to upper 30s for the next 4 years.

Maybe Powell/THJ for him but that is about as far as I'd go.

[Teffer10]

Which PF do you think would be attainable? And which would also be able to space the floor which would be an issue since we'd be losing THJ and CUrry from last year? I dont disagree with your thought process, just not sure who that guy is.

A short term solution might be Aminu. Not a true PF but an outstanding rebounder and can defend guys like LeBron, KD, PG, GA, KL and some others.
A nice rotation of DFS/Aminu/Johnson/Maxi at 3/4 would be nice defensively and like I said Aminu would vastly improve our rebounding issues.

I'd offer Powell/Terry/2nd rounder for Aminu.

Somehow I'm curious about Lamarcus Aldridge more than Aminu. Use the cap space, sign Aldridge to a 2+1 deal. 3rd year team option. His game is not predicated on athleticism so his jumpers have aged well. And he is legitimately big enough to box out and contest for rebounds in the paint. I'd prefer we outsource that task on someone rather than have KP's knees bear the weight of those things. Have KP score more is the trade off.

But Aminu is much more versatile defensively and has the ability to spread the floor. We are fine at Center but just need better options at PF defensively. I don't see LMA as that.

If we have these rotations:

Luka/JRich/Burke/Brunson at 1/2
DFS/Aminu/Johnson/Maxi/Some Green at 3/4
KP/WCS/Boban/Some Maxi at 5

We would be a complete team and have the resources to compete with anyone. There is a nice blend of offense/defense/size/veterans/youth/etc.... to play with anyone and room to grow.

[arkuo]

I feel like with that move, we'd become the 6ers of last year. A team with spacing issues that doesn't gel, I mean its 2 of their starters. Embiid >> Porzingis, and while Luka is a better offensive player than Simmons, no comparison defensively, so I don't see that team doing much of anything.

If that package could get us a returned Harrison Barnes, I'd think thats a better fit. He knows the system and is a better shooter and arguably defender. But dont think sac is interested in trading him and even if they were, would need a 3rd team to dump Powell on.

Trading THJ for another expiring contract for 2022 is tricky. I can only see a couple of candidates. Terry Rozier being one. You're essentially "extending THJ" for one more year to get another expiring contract for 2022. That's when guys like Aaron Gordon become UFA. Gordon would be another good fit too.

I'd like to believe Tobias Harris would be another recipient of a performance boost similar to Richardson when he came over. The Sixers last year were a mess. Poor spacing, a point guard in Ben Simmons who cant shoot, plus Brett Brown who practically didnt know what he was doing. Simmons and Embiid are similar to Lebron and AD, if Brett Brown knew what he was doing, I feel they would have at least sniffed the ECF. I feel like Tobias is a Carlisle guy. Follows the Xs and Os. Sets screens and knows how to run plays. Should do well under Carlisle and Luka.

I guess I don't know that much about TH but man I just looked at his contract and it is enormous.
If he is an elite versatile defender and good floor spacer he'd probably be a nice addition because we definitely need another wing that can defend.
Is he a legit 3rd option?

But good lord, the guy is making mid to upper 30s for the next 4 years.

Maybe Powell/THJ for him but that is about as far as I'd go.

Yup. that contract is huge. So Shake Milton and/or Mathisse Thybulle has to come back to us in any TH trade package.

TH also rarely misses games. Plays 70+ or all 82 games since 2015. Averages 19ppg while doing so.

[arkuo]

A short term solution might be Aminu. Not a true PF but an outstanding rebounder and can defend guys like LeBron, KD, PG, GA, KL and some others.
A nice rotation of DFS/Aminu/Johnson/Maxi at 3/4 would be nice defensively and like I said Aminu would vastly improve our rebounding issues.

I'd offer Powell/Terry/2nd rounder for Aminu.

Somehow I'm curious about Lamarcus Aldridge more than Aminu. Use the cap space, sign Aldridge to a 2+1 deal. 3rd year team option. His game is not predicated on athleticism so his jumpers have aged well. And he is legitimately big enough to box out and contest for rebounds in the paint. I'd prefer we outsource that task on someone rather than have KP's knees bear the weight of those things. Have KP score more is the trade off.

But Aminu is much more versatile defensively and has the ability to spread the floor. We are fine at Center but just need better options at PF defensively. I don't see LMA as that.

If we have these rotations:

Luka/JRich/Burke/Brunson at 1/2
DFS/Aminu/Johnson/Maxi/Some Green at 3/4
KP/WCS/Boban/Some Maxi at 5

We would be a complete team and have the resources to compete with anyone. There is a nice blend of offense/defense/size/veterans/youth/etc.... to play with anyone and room to grow.

Yeah Aminu's defense would be nice. He also recently tore his achilles, same with Powell, so hopefully he gets back into shape like KD. My only concern with Aminu is he only averages like 5 points. LMA averages 17 to 20 pts for the past 13 years including last year. So if KP goes down or misses games, we have someone to backstop the offense in there. WCS, DFS and Aminu would combine for like 17 pts. Just insurance policy for injuries and/or covid-19.

[Teffer10]

Somehow I'm curious about Lamarcus Aldridge more than Aminu. Use the cap space, sign Aldridge to a 2+1 deal. 3rd year team option. His game is not predicated on athleticism so his jumpers have aged well. And he is legitimately big enough to box out and contest for rebounds in the paint. I'd prefer we outsource that task on someone rather than have KP's knees bear the weight of those things. Have KP score more is the trade off.

But Aminu is much more versatile defensively and has the ability to spread the floor. We are fine at Center but just need better options at PF defensively. I don't see LMA as that.

If we have these rotations:

Luka/JRich/Burke/Brunson at 1/2
DFS/Aminu/Johnson/Maxi/Some Green at 3/4
KP/WCS/Boban/Some Maxi at 5

We would be a complete team and have the resources to compete with anyone. There is a nice blend of offense/defense/size/veterans/youth/etc.... to play with anyone and room to grow.

Yeah Aminu's defense would be nice. He also recently tore his achilles, same with Powell, so hopefully he gets back into shape like KD. My only concern with Aminu is he only averages like 5 points. LMA averages 17 to 20 pts for the past 13 years including last year. So if KP goes down or misses games, we have someone to backstop the offense in there. WCS, DFS and Aminu would combine for like 17 pts. Just insurance policy for injuries and/or covid-19.

Yeah, I forgot about the achilles and I understand your reasoning with LMA. Not a bad idea but I have never liked his game.
Nice expiring contract though and if SA is completely out of the picture (which they will be) by TDL that might not be a bad move. Not sure how we'd match up salary though.

[Teffer10]

Trading THJ for another expiring contract for 2022 is tricky. I can only see a couple of candidates. Terry Rozier being one. You're essentially "extending THJ" for one more year to get another expiring contract for 2022. That's when guys like Aaron Gordon become UFA. Gordon would be another good fit too.

I'd like to believe Tobias Harris would be another recipient of a performance boost similar to Richardson when he came over. The Sixers last year were a mess. Poor spacing, a point guard in Ben Simmons who cant shoot, plus Brett Brown who practically didnt know what he was doing. Simmons and Embiid are similar to Lebron and AD, if Brett Brown knew what he was doing, I feel they would have at least sniffed the ECF. I feel like Tobias is a Carlisle guy. Follows the Xs and Os. Sets screens and knows how to run plays. Should do well under Carlisle and Luka.

I guess I don't know that much about TH but man I just looked at his contract and it is enormous.
If he is an elite versatile defender and good floor spacer he'd probably be a nice addition because we definitely need another wing that can defend.
Is he a legit 3rd option?

But good lord, the guy is making mid to upper 30s for the next 4 years.

Maybe Powell/THJ for him but that is about as far as I'd go.

Yup. that contract is huge. So Shake Milton and/or Mathisse Thybulle has to come back to us in any TH trade package.

TH also rarely misses games. Plays 70+ or all 82 games since 2015. Averages 19ppg while doing so.

Considering our limited options in FA and needs, I could see TH has a target for the Mavs if he is an elite defender.
Luka/JRich/TH/DFS/KP would be a lethal lineup and extremely tough defensively.
Not sure how we could match salaries though without giving up either Maxi or Johnson.
And there is no way I do that deal without Powell going out.

[JD45]

Tobias Harris is an average defender, definitely not elite.

He is a good player because of his scoring. He just has a contract that he can never play up to. But that's why he might be available.