Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option

thebuzzardman · Post #41 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:48 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Randle looking good making the Obi pick look stupider by the second.

Or Maybe Thibs goes all "new age NBA no defense" and decides to roll with Randle\Obi, in which case, it's either goodbye Mitch, or bench player forever Mitch.

Then again, lots of good teams have had pretty good players come off the bench and get big minutes
I think it makes more sense Obi becomes Randle off the bench. You can have depth. And it seems unlikely this year that Toppin becomes ready to be a starter with even less prqctice time this year.

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I get that for this year. But any pick also needs to be looked at in the context of several years down the line.
This is in the scenario that Randle plays himself into "Knicks want to keep" contention, or if that was their plan all along.
Or, they simply liked Obi as BPA and figured he's a hedge against Randle leaving and would figure it out later.

3toheadmelo · Post #42 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:51 pm

People also forget Randle lost his grandmother in the middle of the season. Looks like he’s in a better head space.

3toheadmelo · Post #43 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:01 pm

Facts

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cooch2584 · Post #44 » by **cooch2584** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:03 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:With us having a team option for 4 million next year it may end up that we retain him as a below cost attraction to show fans that they won't be alone.

He is learning what it is to be a first option and no longer seems to be caught up in justifying his contract like he was last year.

I liked Randle's game as a Laker and a Pelican. And now that he isn't trying g to be Kobe maybe it is for the best he sticks around.

I also want to see this board if it turns out Mills was right. (Which I think he was with Randle)

Thoughts on the maturing Randle?

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Thibs and the coaching staff got Randles head on right.

Chanel Bomber · Post #45 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:07 pm

The issue with Randle is that the only way for him to help a team win is to have a positive impact as a featured guy.

He can't be a role player or a support player because he's not a floor spacer on offense and he's not a good defender. The lack of either skill makes it impossible for him to be an impactful role player.

Ironically, the same goes for RJ for now. They're actually quite similar as players, although RJ has a higher upside as a defender and as playmaker and he plays outside-in which theoretically puts a little less pressure on his scoring efficiency.

But Randle has to score efficiently (he can) and make plays for others (he has the ability) when he has the ball to be a good player in this league. The only pathway for him to be a winning player is that he becomes an All-Star who can put up 23-25 ppg on .57 TS% or better.

With the way he's played so far, I now think the Knicks need to carefully evaluate him under Thibs before making a trade. Maybe he's on the verge of breaking out. But we need to see those numbers start translating to wins.

Tron Carter · Post #46 » by **Tron Carter** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:08 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
Tron Carter wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:It's been 3 games.............................

chill with the reason and rationale...
Well Frank desrves to start after 1 game so ....

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said nobody but go ahead and max randle. or maybe actually understand his contract details before making pointless threads.

robillionaire · Post #47 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:14 pm

Assuming they don't trade him at the deadline or on the draft day or anything, you can rest assured he will be brought back for year 3. they aren't going to burn 4 million just to get rid of their most productive player especially when you consider we have infinite cap space and nobody who wants to play here

NYKnickerbocker · Post #48 » by **NYKnickerbocker** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:18 pm

Hopefully he can shake off the No Handle Randle, Dubious Handles, Spin Cycle nicknames.

3toheadmelo · Post #49 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:34 pm

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stuporman · Post #50 » by **stuporman** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:36 pm

Maybe the Knicks will be able to get a 1st rounder for him before he turns back into a pumpkin.

Im Coming Home · Post #51 » by **Im Coming Home** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:47 pm

Can OP or a Mod fix the title to save some confusion on the 4 million thing?

cgf · Post #52 » by **cgf** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:47 pm

stuporman wrote:Maybe the Knicks will be able to get a 1st rounder for him before he turns back into a pumpkin.

Screw that. Let's get one for selling Julius, and 1 for taking on someone like Buddy Hield with the salary opened up 8-)

stuporman · Post #53 » by **stuporman** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:01 pm

cgf wrote:
stuporman wrote:Maybe the Knicks will be able to get a 1st rounder for him before he turns back into a pumpkin.

Screw that. Let's get one for selling Julius, and 1 for taking on someone like Buddy Hield with the salary opened up

You say screw that then propose a scenario that includes it? :lol:

cgf · Post #54 » by **cgf** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:04 pm

stuporman wrote:
cgf wrote:
stuporman wrote:Maybe the Knicks will be able to get a 1st rounder for him before he turns back into a pumpkin.

Screw that. Let's get one for selling Julius, and 1 for taking on someone like Buddy Hield with the salary opened up

You say screw that then propose a scenario that includes it?

Yes, you were thinking too small :wink:

prophet_of_rage · Post #55 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:23 pm

Tron Carter wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
Tron Carter wrote:
chill with the reason and rationale...
Well Frank desrves to start after 1 game so ....

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said nobody but go ahead and max randle. or maybe actually understand his contract details before making pointless threads.

Keep making juice and shootin dice. Clickety clack!

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stuporman · Post #56 » by **stuporman** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:26 pm

cgf wrote:
stuporman wrote:
cgf wrote:Screw that. Let's get one for selling Julius, and 1 for taking on someone like Buddy Hield with the salary opened up

You say screw that then propose a scenario that includes it?

Yes, you were thinking too small

This thread is about Randle so that is who my comment addressed.

Not sure why a Knicks fan would want Hield and his 4 year $80mil plus contract when Burks is giving better production on better %s for a 1/4th the cost and is off the books this summer...it would have to be an unprotected or very lightly protected 1st but is Sac really going to do that?

It's more reasonable to think a contender would have a use for an improved Randle and give up their late 1st rounder to get him in hopes it pushes them over the top. It's not a prayer that Sac is stupid enough to give up a pick just to trade Hield.

But yea... we can wish for a 1st rounder in every transaction.... even when Rose takes a dump he'll get a pick out of it! :lol:

Post #57 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:52 pm

I did change the thread title and put a note in the OP to better clarify what the team's options are.

XOXO

Knicks Byke · Post #58 » by **Knicks Byke** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:56 pm

Should I pick up the dog **** that my dog didn't ****?

iLLmatic860 · Post #59 » by **iLLmatic860** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:20 pm

No way are declining his option

F N 11 · Post #60 » by **F N 11** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:40 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:It's been 3 games.............................

Seen more in 3 games and 4 preseason games that 1 and some seasons from Fiz/Miller.