The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

[Bruin]

You guys really think we won't finish 10th and win the playoff play in? I don't want to get my hopes up at all cuz I'm all for a tank this year seems like the perfect time.

I guess it comes down to where we stand after 20 games. If we’re still below .500 by then, there’s really no point in trying at all. And I personally doubt we’d make it to .500 by then

[Basketball_Jones]

You guys really think we won't finish 10th and win the playoff play in? I don't want to get my hopes up at all cuz I'm all for a tank this year seems like the perfect time.

If Pascal plays more like he did last game, it's possible. But we still lost badly, and Fred went off. I love Fred but he won't keep up this level of efficiency. Lowry will also miss games. Fred will miss games. Not a lot of margin for error given everyone else's regression. The days of next man up are done, nobody is really stepping up except Boucher.

[PhilBlackson]

Still rather have Cade than Kuminga.

I’m good with either obviously but I think Kuminga has a higher ceiling and being a foreign player would help us keep him throughout his career. Cade could always suddenly decide he wants to move back home to Texas like Kawhi did with LA

I wouldn't say higher ceiling per say but maybe more untapped potential...

Cade imo looks to have extremely high bball IQ and plays at his own pace much like Luka, Tatum, Kawhi etc. He may not be quite at the seemingly savant like level of Luka but he does appear to be at an extremely high level that is incredibly well rounded n again plays at his own pace like a Tatum but a better passer. On the flipside a better defender than Luka n more comparable to Tatum on that end. Really for the next generation of NBA stars I think he has the potential to be somewhere between those 2 but ahead of Tatum...

Kuminga is bit of an unknown imo in terms of ceiling because he's not as polished yet but obviously with his physical gifts has as I said more untapped potential because there's a lot more development for him. I seen you compare him to Kawhi but I certainly don't see the level of defender Kawhi was earlier in his career and there's a VERY long road to the level of refinement Kawhi added to his game that it's hard to make that assumption it will happen. Right now I don't see a perfect comparison but I will say I'm with you in terms of having the potential to be one of the best forwards in the game long term. I just think guys like LeBron, Luka and Cade (to a lesser extent) have a greater overall effect on their team's success than a great scoring wing a la Kawhi...

All that said I'd still be beyond happy af if we got Kuminga lol

As for later part about leaving, won't debate that especially with all the African roots in this franchise with Masai at the head of the spear with OG and Pascal n even Mutumbo on staff, its a natural cultural fit that's hard to not a see a deep bond being made....still though I'm taking Cade because again I think he impacts a team's success more and imo more likely to help lead to ANOTHER (just feels good to say lol) chip and I would trust Masai n Co to build the roster around him over the 7 years to accomplish it unlike the other franchises that tend to lose their franchise rooks (VC actually begged to stay at the end and Kawhi was an obvious rental, not the same as raising a kid in the city and culture, ask DeMar).

[Jkam31]

Of course the year we suck ass its one of those meh drafts without a clear cut #1

There have legit been 3 clear cut #1 picks in the last 20 years with transcendent talent potential know PRIOR to the draft.

Lebron
AD
Zion
(probably Durant as well)

Not Blake
Not Drose
Not John wall (although he was clear cut cuz his draft was garbage)
Not Irving (not transcendent)

Embiid and Oden were as well if they don’t get hurt they’d only be behind lebron in the last 20 years as prospects

[Bruin]

Still rather have Cade than Kuminga.

I’m good with either obviously but I think Kuminga has a higher ceiling and being a foreign player would help us keep him throughout his career. Cade could always suddenly decide he wants to move back home to Texas like Kawhi did with LA

I wouldn't say higher ceiling per say but maybe more untapped potential...

Cade imo looks to have extremely high bball IQ and plays at his own pace much like Luka, Tatum, Kawhi etc. He may not be quite at the seemingly savant like level of Luka but he does appear to be at an extremely high level that is incredibly well rounded n again plays at his own pace like a Tatum but a better passer. On the flipside a better defender than Luka n more comparable to Tatum on that end. Really for the next generation of NBA stars I think he has the potential to be somewhere between those 2 but ahead of Tatum...

Kuminga is bit of an unknown imo in terms of ceiling because he's not as polished yet but obviously with his physical gifts has as I said more untapped potential because there's a lot more development for him. I seen you compare him to Kawhi but I certainly don't see the level of defender Kawhi was earlier in his career and there's a VERY long road to the level of refinement Kawhi added to his game that it's hard to make that assumption it will happen. Right now I don't see a perfect comparison but I will say I'm with you in terms of having the potential to be one of the best forwards in the game long term. I just think guys like LeBron, Luka and Cade (to a lesser extent) have a greater overall effect on their team's success than a great scoring wing a la Kawhi...

All that said I'd still be beyond happy af if we got Kuminga lol

As for later part about leaving, won't debate that especially with all the African roots in this franchise with Masai at the head of the spear with OG and Pascal n even Mutumbo on staff, its a natural cultural fit that's hard to not a see a deep bond being made....still though I'm taking Cade because again I think he impacts a team's success more and imo more likely to help lead to ANOTHER (just feels good to say lol) chip and I would trust Masai n Co to build the roster around him over the 7 years to accomplish it unlike the other franchises that tend to lose their franchise rooks (VC actually begged to stay at the end and Kawhi was an obvious rental, not the same as raising a kid in the city and culture, ask DeMar).

Fair enough. Cade and Kuminga are my top 2 prospects and I’d be more than pleased if we can get either of the 2.

I just hope we don’t mess this up and still push to make the playoffs as a low seed. Whether we come short of making it or if we get in as a low seed, it’s a lose-lose situation as we’d be getting a worse pick and would still get knocked out in the 1st round. This is the perfect time to tank also we better not mess this up lol

[PhilBlackson]

Of course the year we suck ass its one of those meh drafts without a clear cut #1

There's nothing "meh" about this draft, it's actually projected to be one of the better ones particularly at the top end in the past decade.

Although personally I think Cade is, there not being a "clear cut" one actually speaks to how good the top 5 is. Keep in mind a similar thing was said about Luka's draft yet he's arguably the best player since LBJ. Give me any of the top 5 prospects of that draft over masquerading Siakam as the next DeMar fake franchise player for the next 5+ years and likewise I'll easily do so with this top 5-7.

There are several players with potentials to be to be future top 15 players and won't surprise me at all.if a couple actually end up being a better player than Zion (who was a supposed clear cut). Certainly nothing I'd pout over especially considering the Sloppy P face of the franchise alternative. Now had this been this past year's draft I'd be with you on that...

[Young_Buc]

Anyone know how Jalen Green differs from Gerald Green? (Who I wanted over Charlie V and Joey Graham but REALLY wanted to trade up for cp3) Games seem similar

[720]

If we stick with being the 2nd worst team we have a 20 percent odd of being the 6th pick.

[raptor jesus]

How's Kuminga's feel? Does he project to be a high usage creator for others, or just himself? I think when you're drafting high these days, you gotta look for high usage creators first and foremost. From what I've seen, Suggs looks like the surest thing in that regard, but other guys, like Kuminga, have more intriguing physical profiles.

[Bruin]

If we stick with being the 2nd worst team we have a 20 percent odd of being the 6th pick.

Yeah we’d have to get the worst record to lock in a top 5 pick. Hope odds don’t screw us

[Bruin]

How's Kuminga's feel? Does he project to be a high usage creator for others, or just himself? I think when you're drafting high these days, you gotta look for high usage creators first and foremost. From what I've seen, Suggs looks like the surest thing in that regard, but other guys, like Kuminga, have more intriguing physical profiles.

Hard to tell how his playmaking is right now since the Gleague season hasn’t started yet but in the scrimmage they had recently he had 4 assists and I’ve seen clips of him throwing a couple lobs so he’s definitely not incapable but I wouldn’t say he’s where he needs to be as of yet. Definitely gonna be a work in progress but I think the foundations are there for him to develop into a solid enough playmaker at his position

[PhilBlackson]

If we stick with being the 2nd worst team we have a 20 percent odd of being the 6th pick.

Zaire Williams and Jalen Johnson are still excellent prospects with much better potential than anyone on our current roster so I certainly wouldn't cry about it...

Actually think ppl are sleeping on both of them but especially Zaire.

[DAcReator]

Of course the year we suck ass its one of those meh drafts without a clear cut #1

There have legit been 3 clear cut #1 picks in the last 20 years with transcendent talent potential know PRIOR to the draft.

Lebron
AD
Zion
(probably Durant as well)

Not Blake
Not Drose
Not John wall (although he was clear cut cuz his draft was garbage)
Not Irving (not transcendent)

Embiid and Oden were as well if they don’t get hurt they’d only be behind lebron in the last 20 years as prospects

I guess but with embiid, there’s still wiggins and Jabari who were highly coveted so he wasn’t a clear cut even with injuries. The wiggins hype was REAL. But my point is that there were 3 amazing prospects rather than one pedestaled above all prospect, which could be the case with this draft by the end of the year

[Bruin]

If we stick with being the 2nd worst team we have a 20 percent odd of being the 6th pick.

Zaire Williams and Jalen Johnson are still excellent prospects with much better potential than anyone on our current roster so I certainly wouldn't cry about it...

Yup I’d add Greg Brown too. 6th pick still has some great options although it’s a drop from the top 5

[_MidNight_]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/12/17/jonathan-kuminga-continues-to-impress-with-g-league-ignite-team/?sh=6ecb62772fee

Kuminga has to be the guy we target. African Kawhi

“And on the defensive end, he’s by far our best defender…We put him on the opposing team’s center and Jonathan’s big enough to be able to hold his own but can switch out and guard any other position. He can for sure guard 1-4, so all-around he had a great game for us.”

Reggie Hearn of the Ignite, who has played for other G League teams, said Kuminga’s ceiling is that of Kawhi Leonard. Meantime, Kuminga and his teammates got their first taste of action against older, experienced pros.

Tank for Kuminga!!!

Find a way to get him and Makur Maker and we're set for the future in one year!

[PhilBlackson]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/12/17/jonathan-kuminga-continues-to-impress-with-g-league-ignite-team/?sh=6ecb62772fee

Kuminga has to be the guy we target. African Kawhi

Tank for Kuminga!!!

Find a way to get him and Makur Maker and we're set for the future in one year!

Nah...he's probably already past his prime.

[Psubs]

If we stick with being the 2nd worst team we have a 20 percent odd of being the 6th pick.

Zaire Williams and Jalen Johnson are still excellent prospects with much better potential than anyone on our current roster so I certainly wouldn't cry about it...

Actually think ppl are sleeping on both of them but especially Zaire.

As with Dwyane Wade, you might as well start spelling his name Ziaire. Or just Z-Will.

FYI, Dwyane named his son Zaire.

[JShuttlesworth]

If we stick with being the 2nd worst team we have a 20 percent odd of being the 6th pick.

Zaire Williams and Jalen Johnson are still excellent prospects with much better potential than anyone on our current roster so I certainly wouldn't cry about it...

Actually think ppl are sleeping on both of them but especially Zaire.

Agreed.

Jalen Johnson / Ziare Williams / James Bouknight

Three players outside the "Top 5" that I think have extremely high potential.

[T-d0t]

Cade looks like the safest pick but I'm intrigued by Kuminga/Green/Mobley.

Suggs also looks like a safe pick but seems more athletic, explosive than Cade.

[Psubs]

Cade looks like the safest pick but I'm intrigued by Kuminga/Green/Mobley.

Suggs also looks like a safe pick but seems more athletic, explosive than Cade.

I guess Cade is a poor man's Doncic. Maybe he's Gordon Hayward 2.0?