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Post#401 » by Jester_ » Fri Jan 8, 2021 10:28 pm

Considering we've lived through Ekpe Udoh, Festus Ezeli & Kwame Brown, how tf can you think James Wiseman has bad hands :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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Post#402 » by shazam_guy » Fri Jan 8, 2021 10:31 pm

Also, I know some of y'all must have noticed those nice little skyhooks he's trying out. Remember those. We're going to be seeing a lot of that unblockable shot in years ahead, and that means less aggressive defense on our outside shooters among other things, because if he keeps shooting and making that shot they're going to have to double him in the paint every time.

The rest of this -- does he have good face? -- is just silly. We've got a high-school kid, more or less, and he's already doing excellent things on the NBA court, causing serious match-up problems, and changing shots inside. What more do you want at this stage? Instant Kareem? Russell? Wilt? As far as I remember (joking -- I was actually a fan back then) they all played a LOT of college before they go to the pros.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#403 » by wco81 » Fri Jan 8, 2021 10:53 pm

Let's say by great fortune, GSW gets the #4 pick in the 2021 draft.

I can easily see Wiseman being marginalized, unless he improves over the course of the season and also takes a big jump over the offseason, like adding 20 pounds of muscle and having some go-to shots.

A high lotto rookie may be able to come right in and command a lot of touches, maybe more minutes than JW.
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Post#404 » by InWestWeTrust » Fri Jan 8, 2021 11:13 pm

wco81 wrote:Let's say by great fortune, GSW gets the #4 pick in the 2021 draft.

I can easily see Wiseman being marginalized, unless he improves over the course of the season and also takes a big jump over the offseason, like adding 20 pounds of muscle and having some go-to shots.

A high lotto rookie may be able to come right in and command a lot of touches, maybe more minutes than JW.


What? This seems out of touch in my opinion.
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Post#405 » by watch1958 » Sat Jan 9, 2021 12:09 am

wco81 wrote:Let's say by great fortune, GSW gets the #4 pick in the 2021 draft.

I can easily see Wiseman being marginalized, unless he improves over the course of the season and also takes a big jump over the offseason, like adding 20 pounds of muscle and having some go-to shots.

A high lotto rookie may be able to come right in and command a lot of touches, maybe more minutes than JW.
Well, if they get a high pick, wouldn't it depend on what position they drafted? If they draft a 1 or 2 or 3 or 4, wouldn't it take away touches from those guys? So I guess what yo are trying to say is if they draft Mobley, it could affect Wiseman.

Well, I guess it could "affect" him, but I don't see how that turns into "marginalized". Duncan didn't "marginalize" Robinson, though TD was much better. Hakeem didn't marginalize Sampson, though Hakeem was much better. Parish and McHale seemed to play together okay.
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Post#406 » by Little Digger » Sat Jan 9, 2021 12:54 am

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wco81 wrote:Let's say by great fortune, GSW gets the #4 pick in the 2021 draft.

I can easily see Wiseman being marginalized, unless he improves over the course of the season and also takes a big jump over the offseason, like adding 20 pounds of muscle and having some go-to shots.

A high lotto rookie may be able to come right in and command a lot of touches, maybe more minutes than JW.
Duncan didn't "marginalize" Robinson, though TD was much better. Hakeem didn't marginalize Sampson, though Hakeem was much better. Parish and McHale seemed to play together okay.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#407 » by RichmondWarrior » Sat Jan 9, 2021 4:42 am

If you could do the draft over would you take Ball or Wiseman at 2 ???
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Post#408 » by Quazza » Sat Jan 9, 2021 4:48 am

RichmondWarrior wrote:If you could do the draft over would you take Ball or Wiseman at 2 ???


still Wiseman (and I've been higher on Ball than nearly everyone here for the last 12 months)
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#409 » by clyde21 » Sat Jan 9, 2021 4:50 am

wco81 wrote:Let's say by great fortune, GSW gets the #4 pick in the 2021 draft.

I can easily see Wiseman being marginalized, unless he improves over the course of the season and also takes a big jump over the offseason, like adding 20 pounds of muscle and having some go-to shots.

A high lotto rookie may be able to come right in and command a lot of touches, maybe more minutes than JW.


if we get the #4 sell high on Wiseman and take Mobley.

people (Myers) still don't know what modern big looks like if he hits him in the face with a bat.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#410 » by clyde21 » Sat Jan 9, 2021 4:51 am

RichmondWarrior wrote:If you could do the draft over would you take Ball or Wiseman at 2 ???


lol neither

you trade down, pick up an extra asset, and take Haliburton or Vassell.

this was fkn obvious from the beginning.
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Post#411 » by cpower » Sat Jan 9, 2021 5:39 am

He is a negative player right now. Tried too hard on offense and does nothing on D. Wiseman has potential to be great but he cant play serious mins right now
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Post#412 » by wco81 » Sat Jan 9, 2021 6:08 am

Ball has been looking good lately the last two games.

He rebounds and gets assists.

He may end up with more rebounds than Wiseman the way things are going.
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Post#413 » by RichmondWarrior » Sat Jan 9, 2021 11:31 pm

I would have taken Ball
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Post#414 » by Dom801e » Sat Jan 9, 2021 11:36 pm

When he plays without fouling very few players score over him in the paint. Mostly just wings who out quick him.
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Post#416 » by InWestWeTrust » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:34 pm

There's been at least 2 instances where I've notice he looks upset on the bench in the 4th qt.

He sits on the far end of the bench and looks like how Anthony Randolph always looked. Going to look for it this game if he doesn't play in the 4th
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Post#417 » by michaelm » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:41 pm

Given the identity of the posters who are low on Wiseman I am calling that he will be an absolute superstar.
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Post#418 » by AdonalFoyle4Prez » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:44 pm

I guess I'm a bit confused with our philosophy -- Or, at least, the league's trend of having stretch 5s or playing small with shooters. Were we looking at Wiseman as a 30+ min kind of player in the near future (If he gets better)? Or, are we subbing him out due to mismatches? If it's the latter, that will be detrimental to his development and the idea is that 7 footers can't and will never be able to play the perimeter game, defensively.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#419 » by Mylie10 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:10 am

Wiseman summed up the year one expectations. He wants to finish games. If he is finishing games this year then that’s a nice goal to have. It’s not easy to crack Steve Kerr’s end of games that matter rotations.

Hopefully ball is in line by the end part of the season.
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Post#420 » by Little Digger » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:15 am

#33 needs to make at least one sky hook a game for me to be a happy fan
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