Game 11: Phoenix Suns (7-3) @ Washington Wizards (2-8) l Monday l 5:00pm l FSNAZ

[Sunlight]

So far Suns have become the winner after a bad game. If that continue im fine.

[bwgood77]

Something the good rebounders of the last 25 years have done is always look to make contact with their opponent when they were going for the rebound and not boxed out. Refs won't call anything if you jump into your man slightly while keeping your eyes on the ball and your hands directed to the ball. They've always deemed it accidental contact.

Coming into tonight's game, Ayton was 5th in rebounds in the NBA. And the two guys at 3 and 4 were only 1 and 2 rebounds ahead of him.

The only guys that had 3+ more rebounds than him coming into this game were Drummond and Gobert.

[alamin330]

We need Ayton to be effective on the days when our 3s are not falling. Him not being a threat on days where we do hit our 3s like the Pacers is fine because we don’t need it.

But when our 3s don’t fall, he needs to be the guy that can give us the inside scoring to stay in the game. That’s why we spend a #1 overall pick on him. The few games our 3s don’t fall, those are the days we need him to pick up the slack offensively.

I don’t know if they can justify giving him a $15M/yr contract next summer without him dominating in these easy matchups.

THEY DONT PASS HIM THE BALL!!!!!!! Hello are you there

They do pass him the ball and he passes it right back. The other times he’s not looking to get the ball. He doesn’t establish himself down low.

Do you think if swapped Ayton for Towns, KAT would still average the lowly amount of pts that Ayton does? No, he would average 20 and 10 on this same team that apparently doesn’t pass to its big man.

Towns would be shooting 10 3s a game on this team and he’s bookers gf so he’s gonna force feed him

[lilfishi22]

We need Ayton to be effective on the days when our 3s are not falling. Him not being a threat on days where we do hit our 3s like the Pacers is fine because we don’t need it.

But when our 3s don’t fall, he needs to be the guy that can give us the inside scoring to stay in the game. That’s why we spend a #1 overall pick on him. The few games our 3s don’t fall, those are the days we need him to pick up the slack offensively.

I don’t know if they can justify giving him a $15M/yr contract next summer without him dominating in these easy matchups.

THEY DONT PASS HIM THE BALL!!!!!!! Hello are you there

They do pass him the ball and he passes it right back. The other times he’s not looking to get the ball. He doesn’t establish himself down low.

Do you think if swapped Ayton for Towns, KAT would still average the lowly amount of pts that Ayton does? No, he would average 20 and 10 on this same team that apparently doesn’t pass to its big man.

Ayton fans would say, it's because he's not getting the ball in scoring positions, he's not being used properly or whatever other excuses there are when he gets the ball an inevitably swings that damn thing right back out to the perimeter.

I just don't get how people don't understand that Ayton doesn't want the ball. He doesn't want the responsibility. He doesn't want to play a big part on offense. It's nothing to do with touches because he gets them. He wants to focus on defense and that's seemingly his only focus this season - I'm not even making that up, it's literally a quote from him.

[KLEON]

If Ayton gets blamed for every game we lose....He should get credit for every game that we win.

I mean honestly people are blind to this teams weakness and its not Ayton.

The entire team played like trash but Ayton was beyond soft tonight. This man was the # 1 draft pick and this is year 3 and he's not even our 5th best player.

[alamin330]

Towns is also an all star and highly regarded in the nba and has more experience than Ayton so they wouldn’t disrespect him like they do Ayton

[bwgood77]

THIS BOARD RIGHT NOW...

WINGS MISS 3S
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AYTON SUCKS.


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

dude doesnt get a chance watch the game not box scoresTonight.

Tonight's suckage was a team effort. Everybody contributed to us being blown out by one of the worst teams in the NBA. No, Ayton wasn't the reasons our wings couldn't hit the side of the barn today but he did us no favours either by being entirely useless on both end of the court.

People don’t understand that Ayton needs to be our answer on the days when our 3s not falling.

If Ayton can’t be blamed when he sucks offensively when the 3s are falling and we win and he can’t be blamed when he sucks offensively when the 3s are not falling, then that’s just foolish imo.

And today he was hot garbage defensively as well. Robin freakin Lopez took his lunch.

He really didn't get a lot of touches after we were down big when he came back in after his first rest. That is more a coaching thing. Monty probably said our 3s will start falling at halftime and then we probably shot even worse from 3 in the second half.

He could start Saric if he doesn't want to utlilize Ayton as much but he wouldn't have as much gravity and our rebounding would suffer since Ayton is one of the leading rebounder in the NBA. Saric is usually not quick enough on defense either though I thought he was decent tonight.

I just really wish we signed a better backup than Jones. Maybe they should cut him and sign Dedmon if he's still available.

[bwgood77]

We need Ayton to be effective on the days when our 3s are not falling. Him not being a threat on days where we do hit our 3s like the Pacers is fine because we don’t need it.

But when our 3s don’t fall, he needs to be the guy that can give us the inside scoring to stay in the game. That’s why we spend a #1 overall pick on him. The few games our 3s don’t fall, those are the days we need him to pick up the slack offensively.

I don’t know if they can justify giving him a $15M/yr contract next summer without him dominating in these easy matchups.

THEY DONT PASS HIM THE BALL!!!!!!! Hello are you there

They do pass him the ball and he passes it right back. The other times he’s not looking to get the ball. He doesn’t establish himself down low.

Do you think if swapped Ayton for Towns, KAT would still average the lowly amount of pts that Ayton does? No, he would average 20 and 10 on this same team that apparently doesn’t pass to its big man.

Well, because he takes so many 3s he'd fit right in.

[alamin330]

Everyone realizes that they don’t run plays for Ayton right? Everything he gets is on a broken play or putback

[KLEON]

You must be related to Ayton

[Sunlight]

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[Revived]

THEY DONT PASS HIM THE BALL!!!!!!! Hello are you there

They do pass him the ball and he passes it right back. The other times he’s not looking to get the ball. He doesn’t establish himself down low.

Do you think if swapped Ayton for Towns, KAT would still average the lowly amount of pts that Ayton does? No, he would average 20 and 10 on this same team that apparently doesn’t pass to its big man.

Ayton fans would say, it's because he's not getting the ball in scoring positions, he's not being used properly or whatever other excuses there are when he gets the ball an inevitably swings that damn thing right back out to the perimeter.

I just don't get how people don't understand that Ayton doesn't want the ball. He doesn't want the responsibility. He doesn't want to play a big part on offense. It's nothing to do with touches because he gets them. He wants to focus on defense and that's seemingly his only focus this season - I'm not even making that up, it's literally a quote from him.

If Ayton was on another team, we would be taking about how we dodged a bullet because he’s so soft offensively.

And he doesn’t have a good reputation around the league either. Other teams commentators are now daily calling him out for lack of aggressiveness. Our announcers and post game analysts have ripped. His own HC has talked about how out of shape he is.

And here’s a post from the Pacers forum during our game against them

For those that don’t know Ayton is huge but very soft, guy loves to shoot jumpers and refuses to dunk or post up.

https://www.pacersdigest.com/forum/the-digest/indiana-pacers/3545476-game-9-pacers-vs-suns

The book is out on him now. Other teams have figured it out that he hates contact and is far from physical. We’re simply trying hard to make excuses for Ayton at this point. Jumping through loops to try and justify his play. It’s all because he’s our #1 pick but it’s his 3rd season in the league, it’s time he starts justifying the big game that he always talks about.

[bwgood77]

THEY DONT PASS HIM THE BALL!!!!!!! Hello are you there

They do pass him the ball and he passes it right back. The other times he’s not looking to get the ball. He doesn’t establish himself down low.

Do you think if swapped Ayton for Towns, KAT would still average the lowly amount of pts that Ayton does? No, he would average 20 and 10 on this same team that apparently doesn’t pass to its big man.

Ayton fans would say, it's because he's not getting the ball in scoring positions, he's not being used properly or whatever other excuses there are when he gets the ball an inevitably swings that damn thing right back out to the perimeter.

I just don't get how people don't understand that Ayton doesn't want the ball. He doesn't want the responsibility. He doesn't want to play a big part on offense. It's nothing to do with touches because he gets them. He wants to focus on defense and that's seemingly his only focus this season - I'm not even making that up, it's literally a quote from him.

The guy scored over 18 ppg in his second year..that's more than just about any C that has come into the NBA in quite a while outside of maybe a couple. Maybe just Towns. He scored more PPG in year 2 than KP or Jokic. Embiid didn't even play.

This is primarily coaching, system, a new PG, a slow downed pace, and emphasizing moving the ball quickly and shooting a lot of 3s. It's the .5 offense which requires him to shoot or pass immediately. Tonight he shot more when he got it early but he got it more in midrange and missed,which happens...everyone was missing shots tonight. I seriously doubt they want to run some low post offense like you are looking for.

[Revived]

THEY DONT PASS HIM THE BALL!!!!!!! Hello are you there

They do pass him the ball and he passes it right back. The other times he’s not looking to get the ball. He doesn’t establish himself down low.

Do you think if swapped Ayton for Towns, KAT would still average the lowly amount of pts that Ayton does? No, he would average 20 and 10 on this same team that apparently doesn’t pass to its big man.

Well, because he takes so many 3s he'd fit right in.

He's still a far more physical player than Ayton. He gets to the FT line by absorbing contact something that Ayton is allergic to.

[Mjee]

Ayton wasn’t even close to the reason why we lost .....

However, he just doesn’t have it !!! You would expect our #1 pick to be an all star ... he’s not even close

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[bwgood77]

They do pass him the ball and he passes it right back. The other times he’s not looking to get the ball. He doesn’t establish himself down low.

Do you think if swapped Ayton for Towns, KAT would still average the lowly amount of pts that Ayton does? No, he would average 20 and 10 on this same team that apparently doesn’t pass to its big man.

Ayton fans would say, it's because he's not getting the ball in scoring positions, he's not being used properly or whatever other excuses there are when he gets the ball an inevitably swings that damn thing right back out to the perimeter.

I just don't get how people don't understand that Ayton doesn't want the ball. He doesn't want the responsibility. He doesn't want to play a big part on offense. It's nothing to do with touches because he gets them. He wants to focus on defense and that's seemingly his only focus this season - I'm not even making that up, it's literally a quote from him.

If Ayton was on another team, we would be taking about how we dodged a bullet because he’s so soft offensively.

And he doesn’t have a good reputation around the league either. Other teams commentators are now daily calling him out for lack of aggressiveness. Our announcers and post game analysts have ripped. His own HC has talked about how out of shape he is.

And here’s a post from the Pacers forum during our game against them

For those that don’t know Ayton is huge but very soft, guy loves to shoot jumpers and refuses to dunk or post up.

https://www.pacersdigest.com/forum/the-digest/indiana-pacers/3545476-game-9-pacers-vs-suns

The book is out on him now. Other teams have figured it out that he hates contact and is far from physical. We’re simply trying hard to make excuses for Ayton at this point. Jumping through loops to try and justify his play. It’s all because he’s our #1 pick but it’s his 3rd season in the league, it’s time he starts justifying the big game that he always talks about.

Good you were able to find a post...when finally looked on another forum. No, I noticed one or two guys in the Pistons game thread said it too...and some say it. But I've always known he wasn't a physical C....doesn't everyone here know that by now? You don't need to convince anyone...it's not him.

But he did have more dunks than most Cs the last couple of years...more than Embiid or Towns the last couple years...talking dunks per game as I pointed out....someone posted a tweet earlier that he has more this year than the top Cs too.

However, I've always said he's more like a LMA or Duncan on offense though...more finesse.

People say the same thing about Towns, Vucevic, Jokic, etc...that they are soft.

[Jdiddy701]

They do pass him the ball and he passes it right back. The other times he’s not looking to get the ball. He doesn’t establish himself down low.

Do you think if swapped Ayton for Towns, KAT would still average the lowly amount of pts that Ayton does? No, he would average 20 and 10 on this same team that apparently doesn’t pass to its big man.

Ayton fans would say, it's because he's not getting the ball in scoring positions, he's not being used properly or whatever other excuses there are when he gets the ball an inevitably swings that damn thing right back out to the perimeter.

I just don't get how people don't understand that Ayton doesn't want the ball. He doesn't want the responsibility. He doesn't want to play a big part on offense. It's nothing to do with touches because he gets them. He wants to focus on defense and that's seemingly his only focus this season - I'm not even making that up, it's literally a quote from him.

The guy scored over 18 ppg in his second year..that's more than just about any C that has come into the NBA in quite a while outside of maybe a couple. Maybe just Towns. He scored more PPG in year 2 than KP or Jokic. Embiid didn't even play.

This is primarily coaching, system, a new PG, a slow downed pace, and emphasizing moving the ball quickly and shooting a lot of 3s. It's the .5 offense which requires him to shoot or pass immediately. Tonight he shot more when he got it early but he got it more in midrange and missed,which happens...everyone was missing shots tonight. I seriously doubt they want to run some low post offense like you are looking for.

Dude, you have to STOP making excuses for Ayton. It’s pretty annoying. Ayton is in a perfect situation for him to succeed. He’s surrounded by nothing but snipers, Ayton should be thriving in the paint. His point guard is arguably one of the best point guards ever. He has to be better, period!


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[lilfishi22]

They do pass him the ball and he passes it right back. The other times he’s not looking to get the ball. He doesn’t establish himself down low.

Do you think if swapped Ayton for Towns, KAT would still average the lowly amount of pts that Ayton does? No, he would average 20 and 10 on this same team that apparently doesn’t pass to its big man.

Ayton fans would say, it's because he's not getting the ball in scoring positions, he's not being used properly or whatever other excuses there are when he gets the ball an inevitably swings that damn thing right back out to the perimeter.

I just don't get how people don't understand that Ayton doesn't want the ball. He doesn't want the responsibility. He doesn't want to play a big part on offense. It's nothing to do with touches because he gets them. He wants to focus on defense and that's seemingly his only focus this season - I'm not even making that up, it's literally a quote from him.

The guy scored over 18 ppg in his second year..that's more than just about any C that has come into the NBA in quite a while outside of maybe a couple. Maybe just Towns. He scored more PPG in year 2 than KP or Jokic. Embiid didn't even play.

This is primarily coaching, system, a new PG, a slow downed pace, and emphasizing moving the ball quickly and shooting a lot of 3s. It's the .5 offense which requires him to shoot or pass immediately. Tonight he shot more when he got it early but he got it more in midrange and missed,which happens...everyone was missing shots tonight. I seriously doubt they want to run some low post offense like you are looking for.

I'm not saying coaching hasn't been an issue but the guy himself has said he doesn't care about scoring. When he gets the ball, he defers as soon as he can. The guy has to want it, he has to make himself available and he has to make himself part of the offense.

Also I don't want low post offense. I just want him to try and score when he's right underneath the basket, I'm not asking for the world from a 7ft 250lb big man with impeccable hands and touch around the basket. That's very different to saying feed him the ball and watch him go to work in the low post.

[bwgood77]

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I said it earlier..and it was the winner of our poll...our whole starting unit has a bad net rtg and we get outscored from the get goin just about every game.

Maybe they should try Cam instead of Crowder.

I know people want to blame Ayton, but last year we had one of the best net rtgs in the league with Rubio/Book/Bridges/KO or Cam/Ayton

It's them meshing. Ayton also scored over 18 ppg last year too and had more dunks per game than guys like Embiid, Towns, etc, so no one seems to be playing well together. Booker is among league leaders in turnovers, though has had a few low or zero turnover games as of late.

His best scoring game though was tonight when the entire team offense was off...I think they are related, but perhaps not, but he had 21 shots and 0 assists. Actually probably more like 26 shots when you count those where he was fouled and went to the line while trying to shoot. That's A LOT of shots with no assists.