eyeatoma wrote:
I'm guessing Morey tells Rivers, you have till the deadline to get the most out of Ben, or else I'm trading his ass.
FIRE DOC.
You've gotten 2 F'ing 3's and a couple of jumpers. STFU you think you can get more out of Ben.
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eyeatoma wrote:
I'm guessing Morey tells Rivers, you have till the deadline to get the most out of Ben, or else I'm trading his ass.
Black Mage wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
I'm guessing Morey tells Rivers, you have till the deadline to get the most out of Ben, or else I'm trading his ass.
FIRE DOC.
You've gotten 2 F'ing 3's and a couple of jumpers. STFU you think you can get more out of Ben.
NYSixersFan wrote:
the plan is to get as good as quickly as possible....I fully believe we could have been a borderline playoff team last year by adding young veterans....using or draft picks and cap space.....can I specifically tell you who? no.
Stanford wrote:Black Mage wrote:Stanford wrote:
Just look at how good Embiid looks with Seth Curry, man. Come on.
These Ben truthers are nauseating. He'll be 35 and take his 1 3 and they'll still exclaim "this is it, this changes the entire team dynamic, he's ready to shoot it, his latest hype vids are the truth!"
okay
Mik317 wrote:some of yall don't want to hear this but....the nets package is better than our package...from houston's stand point. They are probably going to either bottom out or mediocre it up and the owner doesn't want more salary on his hands (dude is broke for a rich guy) so for him this deal is great because it clears space but doesn't make Adam Silver mad that he is tanking overtly either. Plus the implosion of the Nets is still a chance and even if not those later picks are going to be useful.
Mik317 wrote:some of yall don't want to hear this but....the nets package is better than our package...from houston's stand point. They are probably going to either bottom out or mediocre it up and the owner doesn't want more salary on his hands (dude is broke for a rich guy) so for him this deal is great because it clears space but doesn't make Adam Silver mad that he is tanking overtly either. Plus the implosion of the Nets is still a chance and even if not those later picks are going to be useful.
eyeatoma wrote:Mik317 wrote:some of yall don't want to hear this but....the nets package is better than our package...from houston's stand point. They are probably going to either bottom out or mediocre it up and the owner doesn't want more salary on his hands (dude is broke for a rich guy) so for him this deal is great because it clears space but doesn't make Adam Silver mad that he is tanking overtly either. Plus the implosion of the Nets is still a chance and even if not those later picks are going to be useful.
OUr package would have been better with added picks. It was ours to lose. Probably Maxey as well...
Negrodamus wrote:Mik317 wrote:some of yall don't want to hear this but....the nets package is better than our package...from houston's stand point. They are probably going to either bottom out or mediocre it up and the owner doesn't want more salary on his hands (dude is broke for a rich guy) so for him this deal is great because it clears space but doesn't make Adam Silver mad that he is tanking overtly either. Plus the implosion of the Nets is still a chance and even if not those later picks are going to be useful.
Just a reminder for if the Rockets want to stealth tank that the Thunder have their nuts in a vice for a bit. They must really be banking on a blow up in Brooklyn.
Black Mage wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Mik317 wrote:some of yall don't want to hear this but....the nets package is better than our package...from houston's stand point. They are probably going to either bottom out or mediocre it up and the owner doesn't want more salary on his hands (dude is broke for a rich guy) so for him this deal is great because it clears space but doesn't make Adam Silver mad that he is tanking overtly either. Plus the implosion of the Nets is still a chance and even if not those later picks are going to be useful.
OUr package would have been better with added picks. It was ours to lose. Probably Maxey as well...
There comes a time where the deal as a whole becomes a bad deal. If reports are accurate, what Houston wanted from us was too much. We didn't even have enough picks (thanks BC & EB) to do it and Morey would have had to trade MORE assets just to find the draft capital.
blargh wrote:AI_Efficiency wrote:blargh wrote:
Time is a flat circle, man. I honestly thought no NBA team was going to be stupid enough to trade that number of sequential FRPs and trade swaps ever again, but for that next team to be the Nets is...unbelievable.
The previous nets / Celtics trade was the exception. The ringer has an article noting how most picks traded years into the future become middle first rounders.
That analysis is incomplete at best. The problem is giving up so many consecutive years of your draft control effectively gives you no way to get better if things start to go south (e.g. Durant gets injured, Kyrie goes mental, Harden decides he hates his teammates yet again). Each year you get worse because you continue to have no draft help, and the picks continue to get more and more valuable, as you find yourself in a hole that’s impossible to climb out of. The lesson of the previous Nets regime is that giving up these sequential picks has more downside potential than a random single FRP.
Black Mage wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
I'm guessing Morey tells Rivers, you have till the deadline to get the most out of Ben, or else I'm trading his ass.
FIRE DOC.
You've gotten 2 F'ing 3's and a couple of jumpers. STFU you think you can get more out of Ben.
sixers hoops wrote:blargh wrote:AI_Efficiency wrote:The previous nets / Celtics trade was the exception. The ringer has an article noting how most picks traded years into the future become middle first rounders.
That analysis is incomplete at best. The problem is giving up so many consecutive years of your draft control effectively gives you no way to get better if things start to go south (e.g. Durant gets injured, Kyrie goes mental, Harden decides he hates his teammates yet again). Each year you get worse because you continue to have no draft help, and the picks continue to get more and more valuable, as you find yourself in a hole that’s impossible to climb out of. The lesson of the previous Nets regime is that giving up these sequential picks has more downside potential than a random single FRP.
Well said.
Billy King is one of the worst GMs in league history, and this was another one of his awful moves.
The Rockets lost an assortment of picks and are already regretting it.
Clippers did the same deal. We’ll have to see how that works out.
The three firsts and two swaps draft pick cornucopia is very dangerous, and if you’re not going to have a very good chance of winning a title, it’s probably an eventual disaster.
76ciology wrote:
Ok my bad.
Thats quite a haul
AI_Efficiency wrote:sixers hoops wrote:blargh wrote:
That analysis is incomplete at best. The problem is giving up so many consecutive years of your draft control effectively gives you no way to get better if things start to go south (e.g. Durant gets injured, Kyrie goes mental, Harden decides he hates his teammates yet again). Each year you get worse because you continue to have no draft help, and the picks continue to get more and more valuable, as you find yourself in a hole that’s impossible to climb out of. The lesson of the previous Nets regime is that giving up these sequential picks has more downside potential than a random single FRP.
Well said.
Billy King is one of the worst GMs in league history, and this was another one of his awful moves.
The Rockets lost an assortment of picks and are already regretting it.
Clippers did the same deal. We’ll have to see how that works out.
The three firsts and two swaps draft pick cornucopia is very dangerous, and if you’re not going to have a very good chance of winning a title, it’s probably an eventual disaster.
I think we should operate from the position that finishing last and second are essentially the same if you never get a ring. Winning a championship is all that matters. Even if your team is terrible for a decade, if it ups your chances at a ring by a significant amount it might be worth rolling those dice. Maybe other better opportunities will come down the road that puts us in a better position, but I think it’s pretty rare someone as good as Harden is gettable (at least putting FA aside). It’s really not that big a deal to trade all the picks and be awful like the nets. No different then us getting bounced in the second round every year. Rather at least take the chance at being great.