Petergrifindor wrote:LOL what a demented take.
Without Kyrie Cavs would have won **** that year.
The Cavs were better with Delladova the year before than Kyrie. If they had Love that year, they woulda won a title too.
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Petergrifindor wrote:LOL what a demented take.
Without Kyrie Cavs would have won **** that year.
HypeMode wrote:Petergrifindor wrote:LOL what a demented take.
Without Kyrie Cavs would have won **** that year.
The Cavs were better with Delladova the year before than Kyrie. If they had Love that year, they woulda won a title too.
BlackNoir wrote:Weak take, you realize that Kyrie won him that ring right? He played lights out that finals and was clutch with Lebum was mediocre.
Also helps to have Curry hurt and DPOY out with a bogus suspension.
donnieme wrote:G35 wrote:HypeMode wrote:So many people give an asterisk to LeBron's Cleveland title because he played with 2* All-stars. In reality, he should get extra credit for being the only player or team who has been able to win with Kyrie. Cleveland pre-LeBron couldn't win with Kyrie. Boston couldn't win Kyrie. Brooklyn can't win with Kyrie. LeBron is the only one has been able to figure out how to at least temporarily turn Kyrie into a winning basketball team.
We never heard a peep about Kyrie being disgruntled with LeBron because he wouldn't tolerate that crap. He leaves Cleveland and all of a sudden he is a problem child again. It can't be a coincidence that Boston made 3 conference finals without Kyrie and we never heard a word about locker room issues during those years. Kyrie plays one year and its the worst locker room and they win less games than normal.
Watch this video of the last 3:39 of the G7. These are the relevant elements:
- Lebron makes ZERO field goals and goes 1-2 from the FT line
- Curry is just as bad fouling Lebron on a rebound and he cannot shake Kevin Love's perimeter defense and the worst was the bad pass he gave Iguodola allowing for Lebron to make his one good contribution and block the shot
- Draymond did nothing in those last 3:39
- Kyrie hit the ONLY shot in the last 3:39 of the game a one on one vs Curry for the dagger 3
What is also interesting to note is how Lebron deferred to Kyrie on offense. Lebron got two chances to run the offense and missed a a layup, passed the ball down to Kevin Love on the block and other than that Lebron disappeared on offense.
Lebron gave the ball up to Kyrie and let him run the offense for the most important CLUTCH moments of that season. It was not just the last five seconds or ten seconds. It was the last three minutes and Lebron pretty much did nothing on offense and barely made one free throw. Watch the game not your feelings
Interestingly you also seem to have watched it with some bias. No doubt they were all awful but that included Kyrie. He airballed a floater so bad that the Warriors had the breakaway that would lead to the Lebron Iggy block, on the possession Lebron got those freethrows Kyrie almost throws away the game trying to force a fastbreak when he foolishly pushes ahead into no man's land and almost throws the ball away. Also one of Lebron's bricks is a blatant missed call where Iggy pulls his hand (you definitely saw it). They were all terrible, Kyrie included but You definitely didn't watch the clip free of bias if you came away with Kyrie as the only one without flaw
PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
HypeMode wrote:Petergrifindor wrote:LOL what a demented take.
Without Kyrie Cavs would have won **** that year.
The Cavs were better with Delladova the year before than Kyrie. If they had Love that year, they woulda won a title too.
HypeMode wrote:Petergrifindor wrote:LOL what a demented take.
Without Kyrie Cavs would have won **** that year.
The Cavs were better with Delladova the year before than Kyrie. If they had Love that year, they woulda won a title too.
ThumbsUpBaby wrote:BlackNoir wrote:Weak take, you realize that Kyrie won him that ring right? He played lights out that finals and was clutch with Lebum was mediocre.
Also helps to have Curry hurt and DPOY out with a bogus suspension.
LOL. Apparently we watched two different series, because from what I remember... LeBron was far from mediocre and played better than Kyrie did.
Optms wrote:BlackNoir wrote:Weak take, you realize that Kyrie won him that ring right? He played lights out that finals and was clutch with Lebum was mediocre.
Also helps to have Curry hurt and DPOY out with a bogus suspension.
If it wasn't for Lebron, Kyrie would still be selling meat out of truck in Minneapolis.
Lebron made 8 straight Finals. Pay your blessings and keep it moving.
Bornstellar wrote:Doranku wrote:Bornstellar wrote:I've said it before: Kyrie Irving would be seen as just another selfish chucking loser if LeBron hadn't come back to Cleveland and brought them a ring. He's hit basically 1 clutch playoff shot in his entire career and somehow gets the same amount of credit for that 2016 ring as James. Without LeBron, Kyrie is just a smaller Antwan Jamison
This is just disingenuous. I understand not liking the guy, but boiling down his 2016 performance to "hitting basically 1 clutch shot" is completely unfair. The man thoroughly outplayed the unanimous, b2b MVP in a 7 game finals series.
Kyrie's game 5 in the finals is one of the best finals performances of all-time. 41 points on a ridiculous 17-24 shooting in a road elimination game.
He obviously wasn't as good or as important as LeBron, but he earned his respect for that run.
I never boiled his entire performance down to 1 shot. I said he has basically only HIT one clutch shot in his career and people act like he won the title for LeBron.
BlackNoir wrote:Bornstellar wrote:BlackNoir wrote:Weak take, you realize that Kyrie won him that ring right? He played lights out that finals and was clutch with Lebum was mediocre.
Also helps to have Curry hurt and DPOY out with a bogus suspension.
See what I mean with this clownish take?
29.7/11/9/2.6/2.3 on 49% shooting (this is considered "mediocre?" LMAO)
vs
27/4/4/2/1 on 47% shooting
Yeah, Kyrie totally won LeBron that ring by underperforming him in every facet
You need to rewatch son, it was Kyrie with all the clutch and 4th qtr buckets/penetration.
Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:OP,
you mean Kyrie, the future HOF'er who nailed a dagger 3 in a game 7 of an NBA finals to seal the win for his team?
That Kyrie?