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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#361 » by whocares1 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:07 pm

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Just last game ppl were screaming he’s a bust / he sucks till he finished with a strong second half. Maybe, just maybe, you should have some patience with a kid who isn’t old enough to buy a beer.

Hopefully mgmt sees the positives and isn’t so shortsighted

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I mean he plays like 40 minutes a game he better be scoring at least 20 points. And it was against Cleveland..


That’s all it takes? Good to know. From now on play every kid 40 mins and they’ll have nights like this. Awesome


I’m just saying let the kid play three games in a row of NBA level basketball before we say he’ll be alright.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#362 » by whocares1 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:09 pm

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Recap, if Thibs won’t make changes then Leon rose ought to. Gotta pick a direction and make some moves because this roster isn’t fitting.


Lol great. Cause a divide between the President and the coach.


Imagine Elfrid Payton or Reggie Bullock being the cause of derision between Rose and Thibs :lol:


Ofc in your mind Rose dropping Payton from the roster so that Thibs stops playing him will have no affect at all in their relationship. No undermining there at all my bad. If you trust Thibs trust that he’ll make the right decision it’s as simple as that.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#363 » by dakomish23 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:16 pm

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I mean he plays like 40 minutes a game he better be scoring at least 20 points. And it was against Cleveland..


That’s all it takes? Good to know. From now on play every kid 40 mins and they’ll have nights like this. Awesome


I’m just saying let the kid play three games in a row of NBA level basketball before we say he’ll be alright.


It’s going to take a lot of time to see that come to fruition. I’m just looking for the signs. The consistency will come.

How many guys barely even gave us signs?
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#364 » by prophet_of_rage » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:55 pm

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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#365 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:06 am

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Its a fair statement...but I would love to know a situation where giving mediocre fringe NBA players with no long term future minutes over your own controllable players has ever worked? Like is there a situation where that has benefited a coach in the past?

And this isn't all on Thibs...the fact Leon Rose decided to run it back with payton after last year is a incomprehensible decision.

it never works, but it's still a thing that's going to always happen whether we like it or a not.

it's not a knick thing, i'm sure if you search there's washed players getting playing time -- like if i was a hornet fan, i'd be fuming that rozier is starting over ball.
And yet it is working for them. Your vets are your organisation. The good vets get the kids ready to take their jobs. As far as Quickley says Payton has been doing that.

The vets are your advertisement. You want players to see you as a good employer. There's a reason players love Miami despite lack od recent success and nobody ever goes to Chicago.


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The Knicks are worse with Payton by every metric imaginable. He doesn't deserve to start at all. I'd argue that his vet status is questionable to begin with as he has always been on losing teams and his NBA career would be hanging by a thread if not for dumbass organizations like the New York Knicks.

The Knicks rewarded Lance Thomas as a vet and it led them absolutely nowhere. Scrubs are scrubs, loyalty to losing doesn't enhance the image of an organization. Rather it sinks with its bad investments.

Miami played a game 7 of the ECSF with Wade and Dragic against Toronto a couple years before signing Butler in free agency. They have had recent success, and I'm not even referring to the big 3 Heat.

You're reaching false_prophet_of_rage, as usual.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#366 » by mpharris36 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:10 am

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blueNorange wrote:i am being too nice, but you have to know that's it's easy for us to say these things and it's another for a coach to do it.

coaches/managers in all sports have given mediocre vets a lengthy leash since the birth of sports, you gotta let the process play itself out -- last night payton was BENCHED.



Its a fair statement...but I would love to know a situation where giving mediocre fringe NBA players with no long term future minutes over your own controllable players has ever worked? Like is there a situation where that has benefited a coach in the past?

And this isn't all on Thibs...the fact Leon Rose decided to run it back with payton after last year is a incomprehensible decision.

it never works, but it's still a thing that's going to always happen whether we like it or a not.

it's not a knick thing, i'm sure if you search there's washed players getting playing time -- like if i was a hornet fan, i'd be fuming that rozier is starting over ball.


yeah but rozier still is a quality NBA player. And Ball still plays a lot of minutes. Graham is probably that will be replaced in the starting lineup soon. He's been horrendous.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#367 » by whocares1 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:42 am

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That’s all it takes? Good to know. From now on play every kid 40 mins and they’ll have nights like this. Awesome


I’m just saying let the kid play three games in a row of NBA level basketball before we say he’ll be alright.


It’s going to take a lot of time to see that come to fruition. I’m just looking for the signs. The consistency will come.

How many guys barely even gave us signs?


According to this board, every young player we’ve had has shown “signs” and yet not one contract extension given to any of them.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#368 » by dakomish23 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:48 am

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I’m just saying let the kid play three games in a row of NBA level basketball before we say he’ll be alright.


It’s going to take a lot of time to see that come to fruition. I’m just looking for the signs. The consistency will come.

How many guys barely even gave us signs?


According to this board, every young player we’ve had has shown “signs” and yet not one contract extension given to any of them.


No one has given signs like this. Mitch maybe that’s it.
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Post#369 » by whocares1 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:51 am

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It’s going to take a lot of time to see that come to fruition. I’m just looking for the signs. The consistency will come.

How many guys barely even gave us signs?


According to this board, every young player we’ve had has shown “signs” and yet not one contract extension given to any of them.


No one has given signs like this. Mitch maybe that’s it.


Knox was rookie of month? Frank was supposed to be the point guard of the future after that 20 point game against Charlotte. Let’s not act like people have gotten to war here over his glimpses of potential.
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Post#370 » by Clyde Frazier » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:55 am

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"Frank Ntilikina remains out" with no other updates should just be begley's pinned tweet at this point :-?
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#371 » by dakomish23 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:17 am

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According to this board, every young player we’ve had has shown “signs” and yet not one contract extension given to any of them.


No one has given signs like this. Mitch maybe that’s it.


Knox was rookie of month? Frank was supposed to be the point guard of the future after that 20 point game against Charlotte. Let’s not act like people have gotten to war here over his glimpses of potential.


Idc what other ppl have done. I’m a RJB believer more than I’ve been of anyone else and it’s b/c I see sustainable things that he can build upon. Ditto for Mitch
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#372 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:31 am

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Its a fair statement...but I would love to know a situation where giving mediocre fringe NBA players with no long term future minutes over your own controllable players has ever worked? Like is there a situation where that has benefited a coach in the past?

And this isn't all on Thibs...the fact Leon Rose decided to run it back with payton after last year is a incomprehensible decision.

it never works, but it's still a thing that's going to always happen whether we like it or a not.

it's not a knick thing, i'm sure if you search there's washed players getting playing time -- like if i was a hornet fan, i'd be fuming that rozier is starting over ball.


yeah but rozier still is a quality NBA player. And Ball still plays a lot of minutes. Graham is probably that will be replaced in the starting lineup soon. He's been horrendous.
And they aren't doing it to keep Graham engaged and useful.

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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#373 » by mpharris36 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:33 am

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blueNorange wrote:it never works, but it's still a thing that's going to always happen whether we like it or a not.

it's not a knick thing, i'm sure if you search there's washed players getting playing time -- like if i was a hornet fan, i'd be fuming that rozier is starting over ball.


yeah but rozier still is a quality NBA player. And Ball still plays a lot of minutes. Graham is probably that will be replaced in the starting lineup soon. He's been horrendous.
And they aren't doing it to keep Graham engaged and useful.

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he's not useful though...he's shooting like 30% from the floor. That is the opposite of useful.
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Post#374 » by Garbagelo » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:37 am

Cut Payton

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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#375 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:03 am

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yeah but rozier still is a quality NBA player. And Ball still plays a lot of minutes. Graham is probably that will be replaced in the starting lineup soon. He's been horrendous.
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he's not useful though...he's shooting like 30% from the floor. That is the opposite of useful.
He gets you steals and assists so he actually is and Lamelo playd enough in a 3 guard rotation.

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Post#376 » by newyorker4ever » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:46 am

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No one has given signs like this. Mitch maybe that’s it.


Knox was rookie of month? Frank was supposed to be the point guard of the future after that 20 point game against Charlotte. Let’s not act like people have gotten to war here over his glimpses of potential.


Idc what other ppl have done. I’m a RJB believer more than I’ve been of anyone else and it’s b/c I see sustainable things that he can build upon. Ditto for Mitch


I was a KP believer but......................................
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Post#377 » by dakomish23 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:14 am

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Knox was rookie of month? Frank was supposed to be the point guard of the future after that 20 point game against Charlotte. Let’s not act like people have gotten to war here over his glimpses of potential.


Idc what other ppl have done. I’m a RJB believer more than I’ve been of anyone else and it’s b/c I see sustainable things that he can build upon. Ditto for Mitch


I was a KP believer but......................................


And he turned out to be a good player. There is no but
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Post#378 » by spree2kawhi » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:34 am

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This lineup doesn’t win any games. Not sure how you can move forward if these boys go 0-60 the rest of the way.
Frank isn’t healthy - and I’m the most disappointed by his injuries - and tbh, this lineup only includes one starter caliber player (RJ).

IQ will be a good spark off the bench but he doesn’t really look for teammates. Knox can only catch and shoot.
Obi/Mitch is a terrible front court. Defensively gets pushed around, offensively hurts the rim.

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Post#379 » by Newyorknick94 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:46 am

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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#380 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:56 am

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spree2kawhi wrote:I know that... I want to draft high. Finally.
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You know we are failing terribly if we draft high repeatedly.

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