Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Don't we already a second year Small Forward who can't seem to stay on the court?

No thanks on trading for another with anger issues.

Well to be fair playing in Cleveland will do that to most players.

[ConstableGeneva]

As a general note I don't get why we get so fired up about who the 15th man is. I'm not a big Carsen guy either, but every team has a couple guys at the end of the bench who aren't very good and rarely play. The 15th man is not going to make a difference no matter who it is.

Unless you replace the 15th man with a 9th best man and your 14th best man slides to the 15th slot.

Our 9-17 all look like they're 15-17 or should be out of the league lol. I'm exaggerating maybe.

[robdog_5]

Hmm this is a tough one. Cheap good young talent with baggage.

Well id say we have the type of culture and people who could help Porter. However, is it a fit to bring him in with Naismith and Langford here he will compete with for developmental reps/time.

Now if you think Porter is better than those 2 or as good. You can use one of those 2 as an asset to make a TPE deal like Aaron Gordon. Give Orlando a developmental wing to help there.

But I dont do it without the other.

So something like Waters or Edwards for Porter

Naismith and TPE for Gordon

[Bill Lumbergh]

With how young our team is, I don't think we have the locker room to take this dude on, although he has talent.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Read on Twitter

I know he has problems, but do it Danny

The last thing this team needs is a young crazy person in the locker room not getting what he feels is his required amount of playing time and screaming about how he is on a modern day plantation. Did we learn nothing with Kyrie?

[JediMasterRevan]

Yeah, he has issues. He had issues in college. He hasn't played this year, because he has issues. They gave away his locker, because he has issues.

If this was a single food fight incident, they wouldn't be ready to waive him.

The kid is 20 and has a ton of talent. Yes, he has issues, lots of them but this is the type of risk I want to see the team take, especially given how much we talk about how good the Celtics are as an organization. The kid definitely needs some help but I'm all for trading a second for him and have him surrounded by good vets in our locker room to sort out some of the off-court concerns. I doubt Danny goes for it tho.

I don't really see how our vets are going to help him sort out his drug, weapons, and wife beating charges.

None of those charges stuck

[Bad-Thoma]

The kid is 20 and has a ton of talent. Yes, he has issues, lots of them but this is the type of risk I want to see the team take, especially given how much we talk about how good the Celtics are as an organization. The kid definitely needs some help but I'm all for trading a second for him and have him surrounded by good vets in our locker room to sort out some of the off-court concerns. I doubt Danny goes for it tho.

I don't really see how our vets are going to help him sort out his drug, weapons, and wife beating charges.

Drug as in marijuana, which like 80% of the league smokes lol. I've seen timelord post pictures of guns in his house too, btw. They can tell him he's 20 years old and he might be screwing up his life and losing millions by deciding to carry a gun for no good reason. I forgot about the woman-beating thing tho, that seems like a mental health issue where he might need professional help.

I'll never make light of mental health issues but beating a woman (or anyone) doesn't necessarily point to that, he might just simply be an ***hole. Being an ***hole can be a symptom of mental issues but it's far from a given.

[yeleven11]

I don't really see how our vets are going to help him sort out his drug, weapons, and wife beating charges.

Drug as in marijuana, which like 80% of the league smokes lol. I've seen timelord post pictures of guns in his house too, btw. They can tell him he's 20 years old and he might be screwing up his life and losing millions by deciding to carry a gun for no good reason. I forgot about the woman-beating thing tho, that seems like a mental health issue where he might need professional help.

I'll never make light of mental health issues but beating a woman (or anyone) doesn't necessarily point to that, he might just simply be an ***hole. Being an ***hole can be a symptom of mental issues but it's far from a given.

To me, being that violent is a some type of severe anger issue, which to me is some type of mental health issue, just not one that we have a name for yet

[Bad-Thoma]

Drug as in marijuana, which like 80% of the league smokes lol. I've seen timelord post pictures of guns in his house too, btw. They can tell him he's 20 years old and he might be screwing up his life and losing millions by deciding to carry a gun for no good reason. I forgot about the woman-beating thing tho, that seems like a mental health issue where he might need professional help.

I'll never make light of mental health issues but beating a woman (or anyone) doesn't necessarily point to that, he might just simply be an ***hole. Being an ***hole can be a symptom of mental issues but it's far from a given.

To me, being that violent is a some type of severe anger issue, which to me is some type of mental health issue, just not one that we have a name for yet

It could very well be a symptom of mental health issues we understand quite well, and having had a real temper issue when I was younger that was a result of my own issues with depression I can attest to that (though it never resulted in physical violence against a person i was the bane of many an inanimate object). I very much get where you are coming from with that but I wouldn't take it for granted that it's a- a mental health issue, b - a treatable issue, or c - if it is a treatable mental health issue a young angry guy is going to accept that he has an issue and needs treatment for it. Not the kind of gamble as a GM I'd take on a fringe talent unless I was desperate for help at his position. Hopefully some team not looking at being competitive gives him a second chance and he gets his act together.

[JediMasterRevan]

Again, I never looked that hard into it, but it seems like he did not hit anyone.

He was accused, but appears as though his sister punched someone and some other guy got involved and the woman was accusing Porter of throwing the punch.

[GoCeltics123]

Terrence Ross on the TPE anyone?

[Bad-Thoma]

Again, I never looked that hard into it, but it seems like he did not hit anyone.

He was accused, but appears as though his sister punched someone and some other guy got involved and the woman was accusing Porter of throwing the punch.

Thanks for the clarification, I didn't know one way or the other and just took it from the context of the thread.

[klemen4]

High chance TPE will be used for ORL player:
- imo they will miss playoffs and if at trade deadline they have a negative record maybe they will be sellers.
- they are in luxury tax now, so why not go under, save money if there is a chance
- they have multiple players we could be interested in Vucevic, Gordon, Fournier and Ross

[Bad-Thoma]

Terrence Ross on the TPE anyone?

I'd be down with that, though I'd prefer Harrison Barnes when it came to roster fit.

[GoGreen]

I really, really want Harrison Barnes with the TPE.

Cmon, Danny. Just get it done. There's literally no starting caliber 4 on this team. Shoot, there's not even a backup quality 4!

Kemba/JB/Tatum/Barnes/Theis is a damn good starting lineup

[vct33]

We need a 4 that can score. We've got good 4s and 5s but none of them are really a threat to score every night.

Chicago has such guys: Lauri Markkanen and Otto Porter.
Atlanta has: John Collins.

We can only obtain Porter by letting go of either Walker, Smart and/or Thompson.
We can't just use the TPE to absorb his contract because we are hardcapped (and we don't want to go into luxury tax).
It's difficult, although I really like him.

We could take Porter back if we sent out $7-8M in salary in the deal.

[vct33]

Any chance Bartans becomes available with the Wizards sucking? I still like his fit with this roster. I think his salary fits nicely as well. Leaves a nice chunk of TPE to use in the offseason.

[Bad-Thoma]

Any chance Bartans becomes available with the Wizards sucking? I still like his fit with this roster. I think his salary fits nicely as well. Leaves a nice chunk of TPE to use in the offseason.

No idea whether he becomes available but I'm not a fan. He's not shooting up to his usual this season and while that might come around he is such a one trick pony if he's not hitting threes really efficiently he's a negative presence on the floor. I'm not even sure I value him much when he is hitting at his usual pace, he's a non existent rebounder for a big and not exactly all NBA defensively, I'm holding out hope for a more complete player if we make a move. I haven't looked at any advanced stats, etc. so take that with a grain of salt.

[djFan71]

Any interested in SloMo? He's the right length/position, not a great 3%, but better this year on over 4 attempts. I don't know what his defense is like, though, or what it'd take to pry him from MEM. Just thowing out a new name to discuss.

[Jammer]

Well, you look, and hope someone becomes available.

What you want is someone who can get the job done in the NBA Finals and Conference Finals. What you want to avoid are regular season, and even 1rst and 2nd Round Playoffs wonders, who fizzle against the best defenses or can't cover the best offensive players at their position.

Other than Tatum and Brown, who are 2-way players, let's say SF and SG, the Celtics could use upgrades at:

Stretch PF that can score and defend. Preferably starter, but even a consistent backup would suffice. Definately not Ojeleye or Grant Williams, as they have not shown they can be steady at anything for more than a few games at a time. You wouldn't bet your Conference Finals or Finals success on these guys. Saddiq Bey might have been the choice over Aaron Nesmith, since he's NBA ready, but if Ainge did his job and watched EVERY GAME FILM on the two best shooters forecast to be available over 6' 4", well, he should have made the right choice. If you can't make the right choice after watching every game film available for these guys, or was too lazy to watch EVERY GAME FILM, well, then the bangers have a point. But this is a position that the Celtics could use a starter at, rather than the 2-Big lineup currently being utilitzed.

If they can't get a starter quality PF, but were willing to continue playing Tatum at PF and Brown at SF, then a true scoring SG, someone like Bradley Beal. Kemba Walker might be able to be "packaged" for an upgrade, or some picks with the trade exception.

I wonder if Andre Drummond would be serviceable the first 6 minutes of each quarter. He's a horrible free throw shooter, but the first 6 minutes you are usually not in the penalty yet. He'd fit into the Celtics trade exception, although they would probably ship one of Theis or Thompson out if they were adding Drummond. I'm not fixed on this one, but it's definately worth considering.