Predict the next domino

[Stillwater]

Well obviously its KPJ at this point.
Still cannot believe it came to this. But I had a feeling that he might get disgruntled when they took Okoro (same position) instead of his buddy Okongwu who was there for the taking.
Whatever the case may be clearly he is not happy here even if Altman has contributed to it in some way or others within the org.
Not sure why they would just tell him to clear out his locker and leave though thats pretty disrespectful and moving it without his knowledge makes me wonder if they already had a trade in the works with him a part of it before his locker room explosion.
How would you react if your locker and all your valuables were gone? I would have punched it for sure.
Now of course with the current reports out it looks like there was no trade but they are fielding offers which probably wont come if teams think he is a lr cancer and the org takes no ownership or responsibility as being contributing factors in his frustrations etc.
Just come clean Koby and get something for him for crying out loud hes a hot head with a ton of potential somebody can harness that energy even if you couldnt

[Stillwater]

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traded to Rockets for a 2nd . CLE already owns Rockets 22 2nd so maybe if lucky its their 21 2nd but with my luck it will be the GSW 2024 2nd top 55 protected or some lousy bs and KPJ will drop 35 on us every time he is CLE

[Stillwater]

yep fn top 55 protected and Houston is in a rebuild. Terrible outcome for the Cavs imo. just terrible. You can say they could not expect to get more but they should have moved him last summer or something if they were not willing to go all the way on him as a potential rotation core player they knew his problems early on/.They basically decided they might have to cut ties imo the minute they drafted Okoro and that is the main reason I am mad they didnt move him on draft night.
I am going to be hard on them for this but the reality is there may be a lot I dont know so I guess I should try to forgive , I just see a lot of unfortunate scenarios that could have been remedied and I think they should have left him on the books and waited

[jbk1234]

You've constructed a fantasy that's simply impenetrable to the publicly reported facts out there that contradict them. It doesn't get more convincing because you keep repeating it. I'm not locking multiple threads because you can't process the reality of what happened.

I shouldn't have to come on here on a daily basis and remind you that a Cavs forum is probably the wrong place to make unsubstantiated accusations against the organization. Quite frankly, I'm at the end of my rope with this subject.

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[KuruptedCav]

yep fn top 55 protected and Houston is in a rebuild. Terrible outcome for the Cavs imo. just terrible. You can say they could not expect to get more but they should have moved him last summer or something if they were not willing to go all the way on him as a potential rotation core player they knew his problems early on/.They basically decided they might have to cut ties imo the minute they drafted Okoro and that is the main reason I am mad they didnt move him on draft night.
I am going to be hard on them for this but the reality is there may be a lot I dont know so I guess I should try to forgive , I just see a lot of unfortunate scenarios that could have been remedied and I think they should have left him on the books and waited

[quote="Stillwater"]
It’s poor asset management, but, it’s also obvious that the organization wasn’t happy with him and no longer considered him positive value.

As a person who remembers clearly Chris Mihm, DeSagana Diop, and Dejuan Wagner, missing on KPJ while drafting Sexton, Garland and Okoro still leaves them on the positive side of the ledger.

I’m enjoying Cavs basketball, and they’ve earned a few asset mistakes by not spending assets to move Kevin Love.


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[Harper4Ferry?]

Very happy that they dumped KPJ instead of having to eat his contract vs the cap. He was completely a lottery ticket, and most of those end up in the trash can.

[JonFromVA]

They basically decided they might have to cut ties imo the minute they drafted Okoro and that is the main reason I am mad they didnt move him on draft night.

You know full well selecting Okoro made sense to the Cavs on multiple levels, but yes, the Cavs knew they might not be able to count on KPJ this Summer after all the things that went down.

Houston says they plan to have him work with former Cavs coach John Lucas, who has a lot of experience helping young players, but as far as I know primarily with issues involving drug addiction. Hopefully Lucas can reach him and help him, but it's all up to Kevin.

[JonFromVA]

Very happy that they dumped KPJ instead of having to eat his contract vs the cap. He was completely a lottery ticket, and most of those end up in the trash can.

Strategically it may help the Cavs add a player and stay south of the luxury tax, perhaps even absorb the salary of a cheap player in a trade. We just won't be able to directly aggregate it in a deal for a more expensive player.

A minor thing that Koby will probably find a way to leverage.

The question is, do we do anything with the roster spot right away?

Assuming Garland returns tonight and can stay healthy, we might pickup a PG on a 10-day for garbage time if nothing else; and then we could easily open a roster spot in case we pull off a trade.

"Point Cedi" is kind of becoming a thing. He's had 4 games with 7 assists and he's kept his turnovers under control.

[Harper4Ferry?]

yeah, getting any extra under the tax line helps a bunch when it comes to matching salaries for a trade. Like you can trade Drummond for 2 guys that combine to make a few million more than he does now and still stay under the cap.

[Stillwater]

The bottom line is clearly there was a lot of stuff that went unreported and was kept in house on this. Unfortunately all we get is overblown tweet bumps and pr responses. I dont think my take regarding all this was even close to being conspiracy theory level crap but I get why some people would assume that to be the case and delete my posts to avoid a derailed thread.
imo they should have done things a lot differently but with out all the facts there is no way to know for sure.

[JonFromVA]

The bottom line is clearly there was a lot of stuff that went unreported and was kept in house on this. Unfortunately all we get is overblown tweet bumps and pr responses. I dont think my take regarding all this was even close to being conspiracy theory level crap but I get why some people would assume that to be the case and delete my posts to avoid a derailed thread.
imo they should have done things a lot differently but with out all the facts there is no way to know for sure.

It's coming out now, the Cavs are likely dishing it out to Fedor to address fans like you who have jumped to negative conclusions:

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/01/cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-porter-jr-trade-a-significant-setback-in-rebuild-chris-fedor.html

And some stuff had been leaking out earlier, but at that point it was not meant to be trace-able back to any source; but frankly you've been all over the map with this. If Porter Jr had actually been charged with a crime and placed under house arrest as you were suspecting at one point, that alone would have been sufficient cause for the Cavs to move on. We all hate losing Kevin's potential, but a team trying to establish a culture doesn't need players who can't handle being a professional.

But short of Porter Jr punching you in the face, I doubt there's anything that would have convinced you the Cavs were in the right.

[Stillwater]

The bottom line is clearly there was a lot of stuff that went unreported and was kept in house on this. Unfortunately all we get is overblown tweet bumps and pr responses. I dont think my take regarding all this was even close to being conspiracy theory level crap but I get why some people would assume that to be the case and delete my posts to avoid a derailed thread.
imo they should have done things a lot differently but with out all the facts there is no way to know for sure.

But short of Porter Jr punching you in the face, I doubt there's anything that would have convinced you the Cavs were in the right.

Its all PR bs imo at this point and there still is no way that anyone can report facts if they don't have them so they report speculations which is exactly the same as any one of our opinions on these forums. I do know the end result sucks so even if you want to believe the org did everything they possibly could for him after deciding they had to cut him loose as the best option for all parties concerned I cant help you. I just hope they dont make the mistake of trying to "help" anyone else

[jbk1234]

The bottom line is clearly there was a lot of stuff that went unreported and was kept in house on this. Unfortunately all we get is overblown tweet bumps and pr responses. I dont think my take regarding all this was even close to being conspiracy theory level crap but I get why some people would assume that to be the case and delete my posts to avoid a derailed thread.
imo they should have done things a lot differently but with out all the facts there is no way to know for sure.

But short of Porter Jr punching you in the face, I doubt there's anything that would have convinced you the Cavs were in the right.

Its all PR bs imo at this point and there still is no way that anyone can report facts if they don't have them so they report speculations which is exactly the same as any one of our opinions on these forums. I do know the end result sucks so even if you want to believe the org did everything they possibly could for him after deciding they had to cut him loose as the best option for all parties concerned I cant help you. I just hope they dont make the mistake of trying to "help" anyone else

Locked. We're done with this subject on this board.

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