Around the NBA (Non-Celtics) 2020-21, Part 1

[SuperDeluxe]

Enes Kanter with 18 rebounds in 24 minutes so far.

[threrf23]

He's also shooting 7-13 from 3 over this stretch.

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[playa-hater]

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whether we really could have got him or not, he would definitely be the best center on this team Right now.

[SMTBSI]

He's also shooting 7-13 from 3 over this stretch.

whether we really could have got him or not, he would definitely be the best center on this team Right now.

I think everyone on the board agrees we'd kill for Turner over TT right about now. It's the "we chose TT over Turner" narrative that some of us have firm disagreement with.

At best, we never had a chance to get him, because Charlotte was always going to outbid Indy. You can't trade a player who won't sign on the dotted line...

At worst, we just didn't see the godfather offer coming from CHA and botched it by playing chicken with Indy for too long, threatening to just resign Hayward ourselves.

I don't see any timeline where we actually said, "Nah, we prefer losing Hayward for nothing."

[Shak_Celts]

I'm going to need the Raps to keep winning (didn't tonight) if we get the 1 seed they better not suck into 8th. Not because I don't believe we'd beat them, because they play some tough ball and never quit, they'd exhaust us for the next opponent like they did last season. They can play any other team and I'll be happy though. Lil tough fighters that bruise and rough you into the ground.

[Shak_Celts]

Everyone says getting 3 stars is the Move. Not always I guess. It would be funny to see Hayward Tatum and Brown all in the Allstar game.

Well, I mean, the idea is that all 3 would play like stars, which rarely happened here with Hayward because of injuries.

Injuries often used but the real reason is just not enough basketballs to go around for 3 stars plus Kamba plus Marcus

I keep saying that because Gordon himself basically said that.

[Shak_Celts]

I'm starting to think we have it wrong about the Hayward thing, I think they may have wanted us to take Oladipo too. Oladipo asked out well before that, he wasn't staying no matter what they said after his rumored demand. now, imagine Hayward taking less money and going to a team without Turner and Oladipo. You'd just take the money if you don't think Indy is going to be left with enough to contend either. Lot more money from Charlotte and you can be the undisputed man while mentoring young talented guys or take less money to play with Sabonis and Warren? I'm taking the money even if they kept Oladipo, that's bank on bank at that age and injury history.

I'm just throwing stuff out there at this point because the truth is, none of us know or can be sure about what we think we know.

Hayward needs to just tell me what went down because Danny is a master at talking out of both sides of his mouth.

[SMTBSI]

I'm just throwing stuff out there at this point because the truth is, none of us know or can be sure about what we think we know.

I got to be honest: I'm pretty darned sure I know what went down. I can never prove it, but it all made sense in real time to me.

The main thing that everyone is forgetting: we were a serious player to simply re-sign Hayward ourselves.

I believe that we simply didn't assign a high probability to a true godfather offer coming for Hayward. Teams were using up their cap space fast. Atlanta and the Knicks were said to be interested, but didn't want to go anywhere near 4/100, and were basically just courtesy calling and hanging around in case something weird happened. And we didn't really believe Charlotte would go the nuclear option and waive Batum, essentially being willing to pay Hayward $40mil per year. And that was basically it for the outside threats.

If you believe the above, then there's only two likely outcomes: either we trade Hayward to Indy for a package we like, or we resign him ourselves. I wrote a lot at the time about how we could offer him a little over 4/100 and still avoid the lux tax.

Ainge has gotten a lot of heat for not being aggressive enough. I think he saw this as a real chance - maybe the last one for a while - to do something truly transformational. He was trying to sell Indy on hometown hero Hayward taking them to the next level - having a renaissance just like he is in Charlotte. I basically buy that he was angling for Turner + Warren, or something similar. (For what it's worth, I think Indy lost out here too - I think Hayward would have been a huge pickup for them, even at such a high price.)

The narrative that everyone is running with is, "LOL, you should have just taken Turner and McDermott, instead of losing him for nothing." But I don't think they assigned "losing him for nothing" as a very high probability. I wouldn't have either. Simply re-signing Hayward seemed like a far more likely outcome. So they tried to go big, believing they had a fallback that was pretty darned acceptable.

Obviously, it all fell apart when Charlotte did make the godfather offer. But, I feel like I understand the play. I understand how the probabilities were assigned. It's basically exactly how I would have played it. You only get so many chances to really pull something big off. We tried, and we got burned. It happens.

[Shak_Celts]

I'm just throwing stuff out there at this point because the truth is, none of us know or can be sure about what we think we know.

I got to be honest: I'm pretty darned sure I know what went down. I can never prove it, but it all made sense in real time to me.

The main thing that everyone is forgetting: we were a serious player to simply re-sign Hayward ourselves.

I believe that we simply didn't assign a high probability to a true godfather offer coming for Hayward. Teams were using up their cap space fast. Atlanta and the Knicks were said to be interested, but didn't want to go anywhere near 4/100, and were basically just courtesy calling and hanging around in case something weird happened. And we didn't really believe Charlotte would go the nuclear option and waive Batum, essentially being willing to pay Hayward $40mil per year. And that was basically it for the outside threats.

If you believe the above, then there's only two likely outcomes: either we trade Hayward to Indy for a package we like, or we resign him ourselves. I wrote a lot at the time about how we could offer him a little over 4/100 and still avoid the lux tax.

Ainge has gotten a lot of heat for not being aggressive enough. I think he saw this as a real chance - maybe the last one for a while - to do something truly transformational. He was trying to sell Indy on Hayward taking them to the next level - having a renaissance just like he is in Charlotte. I basically buy that he was angling for Turner + Warren, or something similar. (For what it's worth, I think Indy lost out here too - I think Hayward would have been a huge pickup for them, even at such a high price.)

The narrative that everyone is running with is, "LOL, you should have just taken Turner and McDermott, instead of losing him for nothing." But I don't think they assigned "losing him for nothing" as a very high probability. I wouldn't have either. Simply re-signing Hayward seemed like a far more likely outcome. So they tried to go big, believing they had a fallback that was pretty darned acceptable.

Obviously, it all fell apart when Charlotte did make the godfather offer. But, I feel like I understand the play. I understand how the probabilities were assigned. It's basically exactly how I would have played it. You only get so many chances to really pull something big off. We tried, and we got burned. It happens.

You are probably right. Danny said we were close to resigning him ourselves but no one believes him. I wish someone would just tell what happened, I don't want to wait til one comes out with a tell-all, I'll be dead by then and the dead tell no tales or read them in this case!

[Feed Your Head]

Wow this is a huge bummer.

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[darrendaye]

Wow this is a huge bummer.

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Contracted COVID. Terrible. He's my age. Be careful.

[Parliament10]

Wow this is a huge bummer.

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Contracted COVID. Terrible. He's my age. Be careful.

Wow. Relatively young.

[threrf23]

He went 0-4 the rest of the way.

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[fallguy]

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Gorgeous ball movement.

[bisme37]

Rockets had the 22nd best defense before trading Harden. They've had the 3rd best defense since trading Harden.

[JediMasterRevan]

He's also shooting 7-13 from 3 over this stretch.

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whether we really could have got him or not, he would definitely be the best center on this team Right now.

Theis has been balling lately

last 4 games
75%fg
57% 3pt
100% ft
16.5ppg
5.5rpg
1.5apg
1.5spg
1.5bpg

[Captain_Caveman]

Anyone else think it is funny that Jamal Murray got fined for hitting someone in the nuggets?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

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whether we really could have got him or not, he would definitely be the best center on this team Right now.

It wasn't close.

[MagicBagley18]

Beal with 47 24 in the 3rd and lost by 20

[London2Boston]

Philly may be for real this year.

Would be frustrating if they join Toronto and Miami in taking the East after Lebron while we are still sat being patient for our time.