WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

[TB]

When thinking about his future as a top center in the league, I only have one lingering concern... his hands. He's shown me enough in every other aspect that i'm convinced he is a franchise center.

And i'm not over-reacting or under-reacting to the hands because I honestly have zero clue what all goes into bobbling the ball or if its something that is fixable. I'm just stating the obvious that there are a handful of plays a game that he can't catch the basketball. Simple as that.

[FNQ]

When thinking about his future as a top center in the league, I only have one lingering concern... his hands. He's shown me enough in every other aspect that i'm convinced he is a franchise center.

And i'm not over-reacting or under-reacting to the hands because I honestly have zero clue what all goes into bobbling the ball or if its something that is fixable. I'm just stating the obvious that there are a handful of plays a game that he can't catch the basketball. Simple as that.

Reflexes, not hands

Watch how he rebounds.. if the ball shoots out quick, he misses it every time. If it comes at a regular speed, clean catch. Same with passes - he's not catching the zip passes but he's cleanly catching everything at normal speed and slower. Not at all worried about his hands long-term, yet. He's playing at a speed that's pretty foreign to him right now.

[wco81]

He put up some bad shots vs. the Suns.

Too eager to put up a shot instead of trying to get the highest percentage shot for the team as a whole in a given possession.

IF they can use him as a trade asset for a proven player, GSW should really consider doing so.

[northoakland510]

He put up some bad shots vs. the Suns.

Too eager to put up a shot instead of trying to get the highest percentage shot for the team as a whole in a given possession.

IF they can use him as a trade asset for a proven player, GSW should really consider doing so.

All these dudes chuck bad shots during the game. Why does the rookie get the harshest critique?

[FNQ]

He put up some bad shots vs. the Suns.

Too eager to put up a shot instead of trying to get the highest percentage shot for the team as a whole in a given possession.

IF they can use him as a trade asset for a proven player, GSW should really consider doing so.

All these dudes chuck bad shots during the game. Why does the rookie get the harshest critique?

especially when they force fed him, and then everyone stood around watching him go to work

[northoakland510]

He put up some bad shots vs. the Suns.

Too eager to put up a shot instead of trying to get the highest percentage shot for the team as a whole in a given possession.

IF they can use him as a trade asset for a proven player, GSW should really consider doing so.

All these dudes chuck bad shots during the game. Why does the rookie get the harshest critique?

especially when they force fed him, and then everyone stood around watching him go to work

Most of the plays they run for him are so deliberate and telegraphed.

[HiRez]

He put up some bad shots vs. the Suns.

Too eager to put up a shot instead of trying to get the highest percentage shot for the team as a whole in a given possession.

He definitely takes too many medium to long 2s, those drive me nuts. Unless you're elite from that range, it's not a shot that should be taken often and he's not elite there, it's a bad use of his strengths. I don't mind a few wide open 3s but I'd much rather see him under the basket dunking or rolling and catching lobs.

[cpower]

he is going to be the real issue for us once Oubre is gone. Wiseman just does not fit into our roadmap, he is too raw and needs 3 year to be a good player. Curry/Klay cannot wait 3 years, so you either trade him or trade Curry/Klay since he is a net negative on the floor. I can see wiseman becoming an all star like Vucevic but not good enough to be an MVP candidate . I think we have one year to make a decision but it's going to be a tough one nevertheless

[Old_Blue]

This kid's numbers work out to 18 points and 9 boards per 32 minutes - in his first 19 games in the league and at the age of 19. And, oh yeah, he's shooting 43% from three. Offensively, at least, the kid's going to be fine.

[InWestWeTrust]

Wouldn't be seeing Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Dray/Wiseman on the court together until mid next year (Klay's return) assuming we'd want to see that lineup happen.

Klay will need time to shake off the rust + rebuild/build chemistry on the court.
A full year, mid '21-'22 to mid '22-'23 would be best.

Curry also needs to be resigned or sign an extension before end of next season ('21-'22). I think he signs an extension before that.

Assuming the above, it's obvious we hold Wiseman at the moment. I've probably already said that.

Feel like a lot more people would be less worried about Wiseman if Klay was playing this season.

We aren't signing anyone special anytime soon with our cap situation. Keep Wiseman, keep the pick(s) unless Giannis/Kawhi comes knocking.

[InWestWeTrust]

This kid's numbers work out to 18 points and 9 boards per 32 minutes - in his first 19 games in the league and at the age of 19. And, oh yeah, he's shooting 43% from three. The kid's going to be fine.

Yep, also good to consider that since March 16, 2019 Wiseman has only played ~22 games of organized basketball.

[SpreeChokeJob]

he is going to be the real issue for us once Oubre is gone. Wiseman just does not fit into our roadmap, he is too raw and needs 3 year to be a good player. Curry/Klay cannot wait 3 years, so you either trade him or trade Curry/Klay since he is a net negative on the floor. I can see wiseman becoming an all star like Vucevic but not good enough to be an MVP candidate . I think we have one year to make a decision but it's going to be a tough one nevertheless

I think management jumped the gun with planning the next phase. They were going too young. At this point the Warriors are closer to rebuilding than they are to winning a championship. Had they hit on some role players in the past years they would have had more options.

If they don’t win a blockbuster trade by the deadline then they should go full tank. I’m not against trading Wiseman. But the only player I would trade him for is Giannis. The Warriors will need some luck even if they do tank for Minnesota’s pick to fall to this team.

If this team has two high picks in this draft there is a better future than if this team just squeaks into the playoffs.

[weekend_warrior]

Wiseman just does not fit into our roadmap, he is too raw and needs 3 year to be a good player. Curry/Klay cannot wait 3 years...

As long as Klay isn't healthy, we don't even have this roadmap you are talking about. We aren't gonna win anything with 40+ million $ paid to a player sitting on the sidelines. And at this point, we have no idea how Klay comes back. He might be a shelf of his former self, which would make him one of the worst contracts in the league. In that case you would need to trade away major assets just to get back neutral value.

At best, we have 2-3 seasons left with this core to compete for a championship. And everything depends on Klay coming back at a level close to before. That will probably not even happen the next season. And if that doesn't happen, the timeline is an entirely different one anyways.

[cpower]

Wiseman just does not fit into our roadmap, he is too raw and needs 3 year to be a good player. Curry/Klay cannot wait 3 years...

As long as Klay isn't healthy, we don't even have this roadmap you are talking about. We aren't gonna win anything with 40+ million $ paid to a player sitting on the sidelines. And at this point, we have no idea how Klay comes back. He might be a shelf of his former self, which would make him one of the worst contracts in the league. In that case you would need to trade away major assets just to get back neutral value.

At best, we have 2-3 seasons left with this core to compete for a championship. And everything depends on Klay coming back at a level close to before. That will probably not even happen the next season. And if that doesn't happen, the timeline is an entirely different one anyways.

yeah the most safe one and also the most difficult decision would be trading Klay/Wiseman/ our drafts/Oubre for Beal + Gannis. I believe that is a core going forward for many years, although emotionally trading away Klay is going to be hurt a lot of our fans.

[Mylie10]

Not happening lol

[xdrta+]

yeah the most safe one and also the most difficult decision would be trading Klay/Wiseman/ our drafts/Oubre for Beal + Gannis. I believe that is a core going forward for many years, although emotionally trading away Klay is going to be hurt a lot of our fans.

Of all the unrealistic trades I've seen, this one wins the prize. Retire the trophy!

[DevinVassell]

Wiseman just does not fit into our roadmap, he is too raw and needs 3 year to be a good player. Curry/Klay cannot wait 3 years...

As long as Klay isn't healthy, we don't even have this roadmap you are talking about. We aren't gonna win anything with 40+ million $ paid to a player sitting on the sidelines. And at this point, we have no idea how Klay comes back. He might be a shelf of his former self, which would make him one of the worst contracts in the league. In that case you would need to trade away major assets just to get back neutral value.

At best, we have 2-3 seasons left with this core to compete for a championship. And everything depends on Klay coming back at a level close to before. That will probably not even happen the next season. And if that doesn't happen, the timeline is an entirely different one anyways.

yeah the most safe one and also the most difficult decision would be trading Klay/Wiseman/ our drafts/Oubre for Beal + Gannis. I believe that is a core going forward for many years, although emotionally trading away Klay is going to be hurt a lot of our fans.

So now we are not just getting Beal OR Giannis... but Beal + Giannis!



Come back to us cpower.

[FNQ]

Wiseman just does not fit into our roadmap, he is too raw and needs 3 year to be a good player. Curry/Klay cannot wait 3 years...

As long as Klay isn't healthy, we don't even have this roadmap you are talking about. We aren't gonna win anything with 40+ million $ paid to a player sitting on the sidelines. And at this point, we have no idea how Klay comes back. He might be a shelf of his former self, which would make him one of the worst contracts in the league. In that case you would need to trade away major assets just to get back neutral value.

At best, we have 2-3 seasons left with this core to compete for a championship. And everything depends on Klay coming back at a level close to before. That will probably not even happen the next season. And if that doesn't happen, the timeline is an entirely different one anyways.

yeah the most safe one and also the most difficult decision would be trading Klay/Wiseman/ our drafts/Oubre for Beal + Gannis. I believe that is a core going forward for many years, although emotionally trading away Klay is going to be hurt a lot of our fans.

DARE doesn’t work y’all

2 players in that are guaranteed to not be dealt in the next 3 years

[tarantism]

Has anybody else noticed the fouling has gone way down?

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[FNQ]

Noticed a lot of clean rebounds and good hands.. one the fouls he caught tonight too was total bull