Trade Discussion 22/23

[BlazersBroncos]

This isn't a trade, but Dallas needs to throw money at Gary Trent Jr. in the offseason.

Blazers fan first, but GTJ would be a perfect fit in Dallas. He is on track to be a Wes Matthews level elite 4th option type. Assuming Dallas cant find 'big 3' tier talent, a young guy like GTJ would be a great fit. That jumper is just nasty, he plays hard on both ends and has some great grit for his age. That being said, it will take 18M AV+ to get Portland not to match IMO. We dont let talent walk, see Crabbe, Allen lol

If you think your getting a Portland era Wes Matthews with much better 3PT shooting, and getting that player at age 22 so potentially an 8+ year above average starting option at SG, then IMO its not crazy to offer 18M AV. Especially consitering his fit in Dallas.

On another note, I think its time for Dallas to look into buying low on Andre Drummond. Again, not a perfect fit but you have the expirings to kick the tires and see if he can be a surprising fit.

[arkuo]

This isn't a trade, but Dallas needs to throw money at Gary Trent Jr. in the offseason.

GTJ turned down Portland's extension offer that would pay him $15M per year. You really want to pay him $20M per year for a player who averages 12 pts and a chance to work with Rich Paul?

Gary Trent Jr is in the same boat as Talen Horton Tucker. It's Rich Paul trying to make Lebron's agency more money by marketing his players as asking for more dough. Remember the Talen Horton Tucker to the Mavs rumor earlier this month? Yeah I dont think that came out Cuban's mouth. It's just Rich Paul making noise.

[Heezzi]

This isn't a trade, but Dallas needs to throw money at Gary Trent Jr. in the offseason.

GTJ turned down Portland's extension offer that would pay him $15M per year. You really want to pay him $20M per year for a player who averages 12 pts and a chance to work with Rich Paul?

Gary Trent Jr is in the same boat as Talen Horton Tucker. It's Rich Paul trying to make Lebron's agency more money by marketing his players as asking for more dough. Remember the Talen Horton Tucker to the Mavs rumor earlier this month? Yeah I dont think that came out Cuban's mouth. It's just Rich Paul making noise.

Gary Trent averages 12 coming off the bench with shots behind CJ and Dame. He plays good defense. His dad played for the Mavs and Mark Cuban.

[arkuo]

This isn't a trade, but Dallas needs to throw money at Gary Trent Jr. in the offseason.

GTJ turned down Portland's extension offer that would pay him $15M per year. You really want to pay him $20M per year for a player who averages 12 pts and a chance to work with Rich Paul?

Gary Trent Jr is in the same boat as Talen Horton Tucker. It's Rich Paul trying to make Lebron's agency more money by marketing his players as asking for more dough. Remember the Talen Horton Tucker to the Mavs rumor earlier this month? Yeah I dont think that came out Cuban's mouth. It's just Rich Paul making noise.

Gary Trent averages 12 coming off the bench with shots behind CJ and Dame. He plays good defense. His dad played for the Mavs and Mark Cuban.

I know he's good. But he's not $20M good. Mark Cuban will not deal with Rich Paul.

[Bob8]

GTJ turned down Portland's extension offer that would pay him $15M per year. You really want to pay him $20M per year for a player who averages 12 pts and a chance to work with Rich Paul?

Gary Trent Jr is in the same boat as Talen Horton Tucker. It's Rich Paul trying to make Lebron's agency more money by marketing his players as asking for more dough. Remember the Talen Horton Tucker to the Mavs rumor earlier this month? Yeah I dont think that came out Cuban's mouth. It's just Rich Paul making noise.

Gary Trent averages 12 coming off the bench with shots behind CJ and Dame. He plays good defense. His dad played for the Mavs and Mark Cuban.

I know he's good. But he's not $20M good. Mark Cuban will not deal with Rich Paul.

Where will Mavs find good and cheap players?

[daoneandonly]

Gary Trent averages 12 coming off the bench with shots behind CJ and Dame. He plays good defense. His dad played for the Mavs and Mark Cuban.

I know he's good. But he's not $20M good. Mark Cuban will not deal with Rich Paul.

Where will Mavs find good and cheap players?

aruko, I've seen you say this many times, where have you seen this hard stance that Cuban wont deal with Paul. It doesnt make any sense to blackball one agent and then not be in the running for any of his players.

My #1 target would still be Siakam if we cna get him for KP and some minor fillers. I dont think it can happen, but he could be Luka's #2 and excel in that role.

[arkuo]

I know he's good. But he's not $20M good. Mark Cuban will not deal with Rich Paul.

Where will Mavs find good and cheap players?

aruko, I've seen you say this many times, where have you seen this hard stance that Cuban wont deal with Paul. It doesnt make any sense to blackball one agent and then not be in the running for any of his players.

My #1 target would still be Siakam if we cna get him for KP and some minor fillers. I dont think it can happen, but he could be Luka's #2 and excel in that role.

In an interview way before (I cant exactly remember when) but when Cuban was asked about Rich Paul, his reply was just "Who?" implying he didn't know anyone named Rich Paul and just laughed it off on to another topic.

Maybe he doesn't like how Paul conducts business? Maybe he doesn't like how Paul leverages all his clients to join Lebron on whatever team he is in, and/or puts the team on hostage if they do not want to pay for his clients (Explains why Kentavious Caldwell-Pope gets a big contract all the time and Lebron's company gets commissions on the side, and by doing these they've managed to sign Montrezl Harrell for just the MLE for another finals run). Dallas has never employed a Rich Paul client. And as opposed to Jeff Schwartz. These are NBA dealings off camera. Lots of things happen that we're not privy about. But just like any work place, there are some people you like and some you don't. Rich Paul is working out a loophole that a player cannot own an NBA talent agency, so he is fronting for Lebron. This has not sat well with some owners I assume.

[arkuo]

Gary Trent averages 12 coming off the bench with shots behind CJ and Dame. He plays good defense. His dad played for the Mavs and Mark Cuban.

I know he's good. But he's not $20M good. Mark Cuban will not deal with Rich Paul.

Where will Mavs find good and cheap players?

Sadly, the only option left is via trade.

Dallas is not a five star free agent destination, Rick can't develop rookies, and Donnie can't draft from the collegiate ranks. The only answer left is trading for a finished product. As they did with everyone else we were successful with the past decade. The timing is just off because there are a lot more buyers than sellers now.

[arkuo]

My #1 target would still be Siakam if we cna get him for KP and some minor fillers. I dont think it can happen, but he could be Luka's #2 and excel in that role.

My fear is Cuban won't even entertain the thought of trading KP because of his past trauma with letting Steve Nash walk. His past mistake wont allow him to do something like that again even if it's the right thing to do. Letting Steve walk was the wrong move and that will influence all his future decisions, including trading KP (which may be the right thing to do now-as long as it's an upgrade, for the record).

[Bob8]

I know he's good. But he's not $20M good. Mark Cuban will not deal with Rich Paul.

Where will Mavs find good and cheap players?

Sadly, the only option left is via trade.

Dallas is not a five star free agent destination, Rick can't develop rookies, and Donnie can't draft from the collegiate ranks. The only answer left is trading for a finished product. As they did with everyone else we were successful with the past decade. The timing is just off because there are a lot more buyers than sellers now.

And what assets have Mavs for a trade? They owe 2 first picks to the Knicks, 3/4 of the roster are scrubs. You basically have Richardson, Kleber, Brunson and Green, who might be worth something. I see no reason to trade Kleber, because Mavs need him. What upgrade can Richardson, Brunson and Green bring? They will need to do something in FA, even if that means to overpay someone.

[daoneandonly]

My #1 target would still be Siakam if we cna get him for KP and some minor fillers. I dont think it can happen, but he could be Luka's #2 and excel in that role.

My fear is Cuban won't even entertain the thought of trading KP because of his past trauma with letting Steve Nash walk. His past mistake wont allow him to do something like that again even if it's the right thing to do. Letting Steve walk was the wrong move and that will influence all his future decisions, including trading KP (which may be the right thing to do now-as long as it's an upgrade, for the record).

I've never been in the camp that letting nash walk was a mistake. Nash/Dirk would have never won a title together because nash was so poor on D, and Nash used Cuban's refusal to pay him as motivation to work out and harder. he was never going to be that guy in Dallas. And they won a title, he didn't so Dallas won

[Archx]

My #1 target would still be Siakam if we cna get him for KP and some minor fillers. I dont think it can happen, but he could be Luka's #2 and excel in that role.

My fear is Cuban won't even entertain the thought of trading KP because of his past trauma with letting Steve Nash walk. His past mistake wont allow him to do something like that again even if it's the right thing to do. Letting Steve walk was the wrong move and that will influence all his future decisions, including trading KP (which may be the right thing to do now-as long as it's an upgrade, for the record).

I've never been in the camp that letting nash walk was a mistake. Nash/Dirk would have never won a title together because nash was so poor on D, and Nash used Cuban's refusal to pay him as motivation to work out and harder. he was never going to be that guy in Dallas. And they won a title, he didn't so Dallas won

Mark already said there is no way he is separating Luka/KP combo because he f'ed up with Nash. I don't know if he still thinks that way but i can't see KP being traded anytime soon. But we do have to see a healthy KP first. So far we've had half of the season and bubble. He showed already how good he can be but he has to stay healthy.

[arkuo]

Where will Mavs find good and cheap players?

Sadly, the only option left is via trade.

Dallas is not a five star free agent destination, Rick can't develop rookies, and Donnie can't draft from the collegiate ranks. The only answer left is trading for a finished product. As they did with everyone else we were successful with the past decade. The timing is just off because there are a lot more buyers than sellers now.

And what assets have Mavs for a trade? They owe 2 first picks to the Knicks, 3/4 of the roster are scrubs. You basically have Richardson, Kleber, Brunson and Green, who might be worth something. I see no reason to trade Kleber, because Mavs need him. What upgrade can Richardson, Brunson and Green bring? They will need to do something in FA, even if that means to overpay someone.

I agree, and this is exactly the reason why I feel Cuban will slow build this one. With Doncic being only 21, he can afford to have Lebron and KD out of the league before he starts to seriously contend. Right now, a "middle of the pack" team is where we are at and it seems more likely (knowing his tendencies) that Cuban will only spend and go all-in if he sees a good chance of winning.

That's a gamble though because on the flip side, you never know what Luka is thinking.

[daoneandonly]

My fear is Cuban won't even entertain the thought of trading KP because of his past trauma with letting Steve Nash walk. His past mistake wont allow him to do something like that again even if it's the right thing to do. Letting Steve walk was the wrong move and that will influence all his future decisions, including trading KP (which may be the right thing to do now-as long as it's an upgrade, for the record).

I've never been in the camp that letting nash walk was a mistake. Nash/Dirk would have never won a title together because nash was so poor on D, and Nash used Cuban's refusal to pay him as motivation to work out and harder. he was never going to be that guy in Dallas. And they won a title, he didn't so Dallas won

Mark already said there is no way he is separating Luka/KP combo because he f'ed up with Nash. I don't know if he still thinks that way but i can't see KP being traded anytime soon. But we do have to see a healthy KP first. So far we've had half of the season and bubble. He showed already how good he can be but he has to stay healthy.

That's a foolish mindset for him to take then, you always improve when you can. I mean I dont think Tor does it, but if you can get Siakam for KP and minor filler, you have to do a trade like that. Even have to consider an older guy like Vuc, if the compensation coming back is intriguing enough

[Bob8]

Sadly, the only option left is via trade.

Dallas is not a five star free agent destination, Rick can't develop rookies, and Donnie can't draft from the collegiate ranks. The only answer left is trading for a finished product. As they did with everyone else we were successful with the past decade. The timing is just off because there are a lot more buyers than sellers now.

And what assets have Mavs for a trade? They owe 2 first picks to the Knicks, 3/4 of the roster are scrubs. You basically have Richardson, Kleber, Brunson and Green, who might be worth something. I see no reason to trade Kleber, because Mavs need him. What upgrade can Richardson, Brunson and Green bring? They will need to do something in FA, even if that means to overpay someone.

I agree, and this is exactly the reason why I feel Cuban will slow build this one. With Doncic being only 21, he can afford to have Lebron and KD out of the league before he starts to seriously contend. Right now, a "middle of the pack" team is where we are at and it seems more likely (knowing his tendencies) that Cuban will only spend and go all-in if he sees a good chance of winning.

That's a gamble though because on the flip side, you never know what Luka is thinking.

If that is true, why Mavs need max spot empty almost every season? Why don't Mavs sign some players for few years and at least try to compete?

[arkuo]

And what assets have Mavs for a trade? They owe 2 first picks to the Knicks, 3/4 of the roster are scrubs. You basically have Richardson, Kleber, Brunson and Green, who might be worth something. I see no reason to trade Kleber, because Mavs need him. What upgrade can Richardson, Brunson and Green bring? They will need to do something in FA, even if that means to overpay someone.

I agree, and this is exactly the reason why I feel Cuban will slow build this one. With Doncic being only 21, he can afford to have Lebron and KD out of the league before he starts to seriously contend. Right now, a "middle of the pack" team is where we are at and it seems more likely (knowing his tendencies) that Cuban will only spend and go all-in if he sees a good chance of winning.

That's a gamble though because on the flip side, you never know what Luka is thinking.

If that is true, why Mavs need max spot empty almost every season? Why don't Mavs sign some players for few years and at least try to compete?

And that's why Mark comes up empty almost every season as well.

Cuban feels that the max slot is only for players who truly deserve a max. Not to overpay a mediocre player just because you have money to spend. Cuban has mentioned in an earlier interview that he feels "there are only like 5 or 6 players in the league who are truly worth max dollars". I'm sure a lot of you have seen it before, he was referring to the Kobes and the Duncans. Now everyone seems to just be handing out max dollars because they can. Imagine someone paying the max for someone like John Collins. Then again, market dictates price. And if some dumb team (looking at you, Charlotte) is willing to give a blank check to some mediocre player, then it drives the price of everyone else up.

Like I said in my previous post, Cuban will only go all-in if he sees a surefire win (i.e. signing Giannis, Lebron or KD). Otherwise, I dont think he will fall in line to the next team who will hand $35M to John Collins etc. Just because you have $35M to spend, doesn't mean you have to spend it on bad decisions. He has been passing on opportunities every year by rolling on one year deals to veterans until the right player showed up. That's what Dirk went through.

[Archx]

I've never been in the camp that letting nash walk was a mistake. Nash/Dirk would have never won a title together because nash was so poor on D, and Nash used Cuban's refusal to pay him as motivation to work out and harder. he was never going to be that guy in Dallas. And they won a title, he didn't so Dallas won

Mark already said there is no way he is separating Luka/KP combo because he f'ed up with Nash. I don't know if he still thinks that way but i can't see KP being traded anytime soon. But we do have to see a healthy KP first. So far we've had half of the season and bubble. He showed already how good he can be but he has to stay healthy.

That's a foolish mindset for him to take then, you always improve when you can. I mean I dont think Tor does it, but if you can get Siakam for KP and minor filler, you have to do a trade like that. Even have to consider an older guy like Vuc, if the compensation coming back is intriguing enough

Well, yes and no. If Cuban and Donnie think KP is their future, i don't see how they will even entertain trade offers. But if they do think they can upgrade by trading him, then yea sure. That goes basically for any player. I simply have no clue what their opinion is 1 or 2 years later. But i also do think KP needs more time to prove himself that he is worth the money. And i would love to see him start playing much better tonight vs Suns lol...

[arkuo]

I've never been in the camp that letting nash walk was a mistake. Nash/Dirk would have never won a title together because nash was so poor on D, and Nash used Cuban's refusal to pay him as motivation to work out and harder. he was never going to be that guy in Dallas. And they won a title, he didn't so Dallas won

Mark already said there is no way he is separating Luka/KP combo because he f'ed up with Nash. I don't know if he still thinks that way but i can't see KP being traded anytime soon. But we do have to see a healthy KP first. So far we've had half of the season and bubble. He showed already how good he can be but he has to stay healthy.

That's a foolish mindset for him to take then, you always improve when you can. I mean I dont think Tor does it, but if you can get Siakam for KP and minor filler, you have to do a trade like that. Even have to consider an older guy like Vuc, if the compensation coming back is intriguing enough

I'd take that Siakam deal. I think that's fair and you're betting on Siakam's potential over KP's health.

Here's the thing, Cuban is a businessman. He has been bugging Adam Silvers lately so the Mavs can play one game in Slovenia. Clearly he has his eyes set on the European market (i.e how he can make money there, selling merchandise, ad placements etc) Now, having this in mind, and knowing he has two young European all stars, I think he will milk KP for what he's worth. He's gonna earn back that max contract he gave to KP with ad placements, marketing tie ups, you name it. He's not playing in Slovenia out of charity or from the goodness of his heart. He has business interests in Europe and Luka and KP are highly marketable player BOTH ON AND OFF the court.

[Apz]

I've never been in the camp that letting nash walk was a mistake. Nash/Dirk would have never won a title together because nash was so poor on D, and Nash used Cuban's refusal to pay him as motivation to work out and harder. he was never going to be that guy in Dallas. And they won a title, he didn't so Dallas won

Mark already said there is no way he is separating Luka/KP combo because he f'ed up with Nash. I don't know if he still thinks that way but i can't see KP being traded anytime soon. But we do have to see a healthy KP first. So far we've had half of the season and bubble. He showed already how good he can be but he has to stay healthy.

That's a foolish mindset for him to take then, you always improve when you can. I mean I dont think Tor does it, but if you can get Siakam for KP and minor filler, you have to do a trade like that. Even have to consider an older guy like Vuc, if the compensation coming back is intriguing enough

Why do we have to take a trade for Siakam? I mean KP havent been good consistently this season, but he was good in bubble and last months of last season. Siakam really really sucked this season and last. Only thing is KPs health is a bigger question mark, but atleast it was contact injuries. Anyone can get that kind of injuries, siakam can go down next game, if we have teaded for him half thus board will go "why do we sign injury probe players?"

Not sure I would do a 1:1. Defibetly wouldnt add value. Siakam us a big ? atm and who knows where he will end up? Question is, would you take bubbke KP or Siakam that season he was the 4th besr player on raptors?

[Absinthe]

This team needs to urgently make a trade. I see people are finally coming around to the idea. KP is actually really good, but his game and confidence take forever to rebound after he gets injured. Then when he gets healthy, it’s back to square one with him.