Lets talk Zach Lavine

[cjbulls]

No Bulls clearly have other options with cap space. They can fetch FRPs while they receive players who are overpaid.

While the Bulls signed with Jabari Parker and traded for Otto Porter the Hawks and the Grizzlies used their salary cap receiving players with unfavorable contract. Smart teams can use their salary cap like that.

No team is giving you a good FRP for a bad contract. The most we’ve seen from the “smart” teams are guys in the 16-25 range. What is the point?

Those “smart” teams you listed didn’t let an All-Star caliber player go so they could take on bad contracts, they just had terrible rosters and felt that was the most efficient way to hit the minimum.

I can’t even imagine there’s a world where people prefer the #22 pick PLUS a bad contract over Zach LaVine. But here we are.

You will get 2 frp for Lavine and free cap space to recieve two bad contracts one or two years for two more mid to late picks. Alongside two Bulls frp most likley in top 10, Bulls can set them to have two first rounders in next 3 years each or possibly three frp in one year. Than you can package pick for top pick and franchise player. Bulls timeline is not equal Lavine's timeline.

From who? Who is giving you two FRPs from LaVine.

I agree he has a value similar to that in the abstract (likely more given where the picks project), but the teams that would want Zach don’t have two FRPs to spare or that are worth anything.

The closest you get is GS (with Wiseman and Minn pick) and the fit isn’t quite right for them so I don’t see them interested in pulling the trigger.

So what team is giving you two FRPs for Zach, I don’t see them unless they’re a team that is good already like Philly. I suppose Dallas but they jump up a level once they get Zach rendering their current poor start meaningless

[Kukoc-Lauri]

No team is giving you a good FRP for a bad contract. The most we’ve seen from the “smart” teams are guys in the 16-25 range. What is the point?

Those “smart” teams you listed didn’t let an All-Star caliber player go so they could take on bad contracts, they just had terrible rosters and felt that was the most efficient way to hit the minimum.

I can’t even imagine there’s a world where people prefer the #22 pick PLUS a bad contract over Zach LaVine. But here we are.

You will get 2 frp for Lavine and free cap space to recieve two bad contracts one or two years for two more mid to late picks. Alongside two Bulls frp most likley in top 10, Bulls can set them to have two first rounders in next 3 years each or possibly three frp in one year. Than you can package pick for top pick and franchise player. Bulls timeline is not equal Lavine's timeline.

From who? Who is giving you two FRPs from LaVine.

I agree he has a value similar to that in the abstract (likely more given where the picks project), but the teams that would want Zach don’t have two FRPs to spare or that are worth anything.

The closest you get is GS (with Wiseman and Minn pick) and the fit isn’t quite right for them so I don’t see them interested in pulling the trigger.

So what team is giving you two FRPs for Zach, I don’t see them unless they’re a team that is good already like Philly. I suppose Dallas but they jump up a level once they get Zach rendering their current poor start meaningless

1.Pelicans 2. Morey Sixers 3. New York Knicks (both Dallas picks, one top 10 protected) 4.Denver Nuggets (possibly).

[cjbulls]

You will get 2 frp for Lavine and free cap space to recieve two bad contracts one or two years for two more mid to late picks. Alongside two Bulls frp most likley in top 10, Bulls can set them to have two first rounders in next 3 years each or possibly three frp in one year. Than you can package pick for top pick and franchise player. Bulls timeline is not equal Lavine's timeline.

From who? Who is giving you two FRPs from LaVine.

I agree he has a value similar to that in the abstract (likely more given where the picks project), but the teams that would want Zach don’t have two FRPs to spare or that are worth anything.

The closest you get is GS (with Wiseman and Minn pick) and the fit isn’t quite right for them so I don’t see them interested in pulling the trigger.

So what team is giving you two FRPs for Zach, I don’t see them unless they’re a team that is good already like Philly. I suppose Dallas but they jump up a level once they get Zach rendering their current poor start meaningless

1.Pelicans 2. Morey Sixers 3. New York Knicks (both Dallas picks, one top 10 protected) 4.Denver Nuggets (possibly).

Why do you want these picks? They are all playoff teams except for the Knicks, which you say is top 10 protected.

There’s no value in a bunch of middling FRPs.

[weneeda2guard]

From who? Who is giving you two FRPs from LaVine.

I agree he has a value similar to that in the abstract (likely more given where the picks project), but the teams that would want Zach don’t have two FRPs to spare or that are worth anything.

The closest you get is GS (with Wiseman and Minn pick) and the fit isn’t quite right for them so I don’t see them interested in pulling the trigger.

So what team is giving you two FRPs for Zach, I don’t see them unless they’re a team that is good already like Philly. I suppose Dallas but they jump up a level once they get Zach rendering their current poor start meaningless

1.Pelicans 2. Morey Sixers 3. New York Knicks (both Dallas picks, one top 10 protected) 4.Denver Nuggets (possibly).

Why do you want these picks? They are all playoff teams except for the Knicks, which you say is top 10 protected.

There’s no value in a bunch of middling FRPs.

Strategy makes no sense. They basically want the bulls to pay millions of dollars to get picks that likely won't make those kind millions in their playing career and add middle teen 20s picks that you are more stuck with then can do anything with. It's several teams now who accumulated that kind of war chest and haven't been able to flip those picks in the late teens 20s into anything significant.

Dallas, Boston, pelicans, okc etc all have the war chest like that ton of picks can't turn them into anything and will eventually have to use them to draft players with the talent ceiling of guys you can pick up from the d league and g league for cheaper with less risk as you can 2 way many of them then drop them if they don't work out. Whereas picks in the teens 20s are protected by their rookie scale and rookie deal. They are asking the bulls to add millions in salary for players who likely won't be better than Chandler Hutchinson. We been picking in the top 10 since we trade jimmy and haven't drafted a star yet. It's even less likely we will draft one with a pick projected to be much lower. Makes no sense.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

There is lot of all stars selected from 10 to 25 pick in draft Mitchell 12, Klay, Giannis 13, Adebayo 14, Lavine was 14, John Collins 19, Kawhi 15, Butler 30, MPJ 14, George 10, Haliburton 12.Especially in deep draft difference between 10 and 20 place is most based on fit.

[cjbulls]

There is lot of all stars selected from 10 to 25 pick in draft Mitchell 12, Klay, Giannis 13, Adebayo 14, Lavine was 14, John Collins 19, Kawhi 15, Butler 30, MPJ 14, George 10, Haliburton 12.Especially in deep draft difference between 10 and 20 place is most based on fit.

I believe the “oldest” player on this list is PG at 11 seasons. You named 11 players. So 1 time per year, on average for picks 10-30. So trade Zach for a 5% chance of getting a guy like Zach, who is on your list. No thanks.

[sco]

https://dailyknicks.com/2021/02/05/knicks-good-bad-worst-trade-packages-zach-lavine/2/

At least these are in the ballpark.

[mtron32]

https://dailyknicks.com/2021/02/05/knicks-good-bad-worst-trade-packages-zach-lavine/2/

At least these are in the ballpark.

agreed, especially with the second proposal, but if the Knicks were to do that, they need to fire the person that made that decision.

[Jcool0]

https://dailyknicks.com/2021/02/05/knicks-good-bad-worst-trade-packages-zach-lavine/2/

At least these are in the ballpark.

Bulls aren't answering any phone call from NY.

[nomorezorro]

i am generally anti-zach trade but i would entertain quickley + robinson + picks for lavine

would be risky to go after a low-profile rookie who got off to a hot start in <20 games as the centerpiece, but if he's legit that'd be a nice return

[Hold That]

i am generally anti-zach trade but i would entertain quickley + robinson + picks for lavine

would be risky to go after a low-profile rookie who got off to a hot start in <20 games as the centerpiece, but if he's legit that'd be a nice return

Zach Lavine is so undervalued.


He’s only 25 and has improved every single season. And can score on all three levels and has finally picked up his facilitating. If this is all we get for him, than this front office is no different than the last and possibly worse.

Zach has made no indication he wants to leave the Bulls, he hasn’t even gone as far as making a public issue about him being tired of losing.

[mtron32]

i am generally anti-zach trade but i would entertain quickley + robinson + picks for lavine

would be risky to go after a low-profile rookie who got off to a hot start in <20 games as the centerpiece, but if he's legit that'd be a nice return

Zach Lavine is so undervalued

You getting that too? The man get's no respect. I think people just want to move him for the sake of moving him when in reality, he's a piece you keep when you have him. I know exactly what I'm going to get from Zach night in, night out; now Lauri on the other hand has WB Frogged me one too many times, THAT's who we should sell high on.

[Hold That]

i am generally anti-zach trade but i would entertain quickley + robinson + picks for lavine

would be risky to go after a low-profile rookie who got off to a hot start in <20 games as the centerpiece, but if he's legit that'd be a nice return

Zach Lavine is so undervalued

You getting that too? The man get's no respect. I think people just want to move him for the sake of moving him when in reality, he's a piece you keep when you have him. I know exactly what I'm going to get from Zach night in, night out; now Lauri on the other hand has WB Frogged me one too many times, THAT's who we should sell high on.

It’s really simple for me. If Zach has to be traded it’s two ways to be done.

Either you trade him after the lottery and you get a legit top 5 draft pick for him. Or you’re trading him for another former top 5 who’s shown he’ll be a stud in the future.

If it’s not that it’s a dump of another all star. Except this one was only 25, so you’ll have 5 more years to see prime Zach(who’s improved every year) make you regret your decisions.

This entire thread is littered with posters saying trade away zach for middle first rounders, or young players who haven’t shown they’ll even be in an NBA rotation 5 years from now.

[nomorezorro]

man, i thought i loved zach.

but i guess it qualifies as disrespecting him to say "if a 20 year old rookie pg is as good as his outstanding performance thus far indicates he could be, then i think it would be a solid return if we got him, plus the 22-year-old starting center on a top-5 defense, plus multiple first-round draft picks that could easily land in the lottery"

[Wingy]

man, i thought i loved zach.

but i guess it qualifies as disrespecting him to say "if a 20 year old rookie pg is as good as his outstanding performance thus far indicates he could be, then i think it would be a solid return if we got him, plus the 22-year-old starting center on a top-5 defense, plus multiple first-round draft picks that could easily land in the lottery"

1. Big if. Tyreke Evans, and MCW who did it for a full season say hello. Add to it the magic of Thibs and scoring PGs.
2. Is it top 5 cause of Mitchell, or is it the coach? Hmmm.
3. Then the picks could easily be <<< than Zach even in the lottery.

We’ve seen this movie before, and screwed it up. Let’s not repeat the same mistake again so soon.

[DroseReturnChi]

From who? Who is giving you two FRPs from LaVine.

I agree he has a value similar to that in the abstract (likely more given where the picks project), but the teams that would want Zach don’t have two FRPs to spare or that are worth anything.

The closest you get is GS (with Wiseman and Minn pick) and the fit isn’t quite right for them so I don’t see them interested in pulling the trigger.

So what team is giving you two FRPs for Zach, I don’t see them unless they’re a team that is good already like Philly. I suppose Dallas but they jump up a level once they get Zach rendering their current poor start meaningless

1.Pelicans 2. Morey Sixers 3. New York Knicks (both Dallas picks, one top 10 protected) 4.Denver Nuggets (possibly).

Why do you want these picks? They are all playoff teams except for the Knicks, which you say is top 10 protected.

There’s no value in a bunch of middling FRPs.

Denver has MPJ, Knicks have Dallas picks which could be lottery, and Pelicans have bunch of picks they can give more than 2.
Not to mention the Minn pick. these are just more than middling pick value.

[cjbulls]

1.Pelicans 2. Morey Sixers 3. New York Knicks (both Dallas picks, one top 10 protected) 4.Denver Nuggets (possibly).

Why do you want these picks? They are all playoff teams except for the Knicks, which you say is top 10 protected.

There’s no value in a bunch of middling FRPs.

Denver has MPJ, Knicks have Dallas picks which could be lottery, and Pelicans have bunch of picks they can give more than 2.
Not to mention the Minn pick. these are just more than middling pick value.

MPJ is an eye of the beholder. The rest are middling. Dallas isn’t finishing in lottery. None of the Pels picks are either. The Minny pick on its own isn’t worth Zach. Throw in Wiseman, sure, but as I said, GSW probably isn’t interested in Zach

[Stratmaster]

https://dailyknicks.com/2021/02/05/knicks-good-bad-worst-trade-packages-zach-lavine/2/

At least these are in the ballpark.

Bulls aren't answering any phone call from NY.

At least not any phone calls where Lavine is mentioned.

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[fleet]

According to a report Thursday from ESPN's Brian Windhorst, there are at least questions being asked by execs around the league.

Windhorst appeared on The Jump on Thursday to talk about the never-ending Bradley Beal trade rumblings, which the Sixers have been linked to more than once. With Beal not imminently on the move, Windhorst was asked what else league execs are chattering about ahead of the March 25 deadline:

"Well, Ben Simmons was offered for James Harden, so there's a question about whether, if a star becomes available, he could be [on the move].

"And another guy that executives are watching out there, because they're not sure of his future with the organization, is Zach LaVine. Now, I would tell you the Bulls, if they're going to trade a guy like Zach LaVine, who's having a career season, would want to trade him for someone like Bradley Beal. So I think it's not necessarily an either-or. If a player like Bradley Beal is available, that would get Philly or Chicago interested.

"But if you're looking for players who possibly could be out there on the market, [Simmons and LaVine] are two names that have been mentioned by league executives."

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-rumors-nba-execs-believe-ben-simmons-could-be-trade-market-zach-lavine

[sco]

According to a report Thursday from ESPN's Brian Windhorst, there are at least questions being asked by execs around the league.

Windhorst appeared on The Jump on Thursday to talk about the never-ending Bradley Beal trade rumblings, which the Sixers have been linked to more than once. With Beal not imminently on the move, Windhorst was asked what else league execs are chattering about ahead of the March 25 deadline:

"Well, Ben Simmons was offered for James Harden, so there's a question about whether, if a star becomes available, he could be [on the move].

"And another guy that executives are watching out there, because they're not sure of his future with the organization, is Zach LaVine. Now, I would tell you the Bulls, if they're going to trade a guy like Zach LaVine, who's having a career season, would want to trade him for someone like Bradley Beal. So I think it's not necessarily an either-or. If a player like Bradley Beal is available, that would get Philly or Chicago interested.

"But if you're looking for players who possibly could be out there on the market, [Simmons and LaVine] are two names that have been mentioned by league executives."

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-rumors-nba-execs-believe-ben-simmons-could-be-trade-market-zach-lavine

I mean both guys make sense at a high-level, they are All Star Level talents on bad teams. Those teams are usually looking at rebuilding. In our case, we have a new FO with no ties to Zach. And look, what bad team wouldn't at least consider a great offer. That said, it makes little sense due to Zach's age, improvement, contract and seemingly happy situation with Chicago. It might also make sense if we had a budding star needing minutes behind him, but that also isn't true, so we'd need to fill the hole we'd be creating.