Cade Cunningham

Post #181 » by **jman3134** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 5:34 am

I need to watch more Cade tape. In terms of the intangibles, I didn't like his body language this game.

yoyoboy · Post #182 » by **yoyoboy** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 10:45 pm

I truthfully haven’t watched a game of his yet so I’m only going off highlights here but I really don’t see what makes him that special as a prospect, to the point where he’s some surefire franchise-changing talent.

A primary ballhandler who doesn’t seem to have the athleticism/handles to get wherever he wants on the floor and averages more turnovers than assists (regardless of strength of teammates) is concerning for me. He also seems to be a clearly below the rim finisher in traffic. I get a primary ballhandler that big who can also shoot is exciting, but if he’s the best this draft has to offer, I’m not crazy impressed yet.

Post #183 » by **Marcus** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 10:53 pm

Cade's highlights will never be his selling point. He's definitely someone you have to watch full games of.

clyde21 · Post #184 » by **clyde21** » Mon Feb 8, 2021 12:32 am

he has all the requisite athleticism to get where he wants, he's not very sudden or explosive, but he's fast when he turns it on, and is very deliberate, efficient and coordinated in his movements, combine that with + skill as a ball handler and passer and supreme BBIQ in a 6-7 package who can shoot and is not a negative defensively and you have the makings of a top 3 pick in any class

Upperclass · Post #185 » by **Upperclass** » Mon Feb 8, 2021 5:44 am

Lol. People get so caught up in hype and useless stats. He'll probably end up a knick or something

DCasey91 · Post #186 » by **DCasey91** » Mon Feb 8, 2021 11:13 am

I see Cade as more of a better version of RJ Barrett.
Better shooter, but not as good of as scorer in college generally speaking. Their assist/turnover ratio also is pretty much the same. (Both due to their ballhandling skills/not quick twitch elite athletes).

As someone commented on Mobley’s discussion about a cornerstone of being a the best player on a championship team. I don’t think Cade will be that.

Alternatively he could be a smaller version of Jayson Tatum. He’s a very smart just all round great basketball player. No knock on him at all. I just don’t see the “special stuff” that everyone alludes too.

He’s certainly not Luka as a prospect. I’m trying to find the elite quality that translates to the NBA.

Wouldn’t surprise me if he becomes an All star/All NBA player by sheer production but his ceiling for me isn’t as high as Mobley. They both have extremely high floors so I’d always draft the one with the higher upside in the end.

BostonCouchGM · Post #187 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Mon Feb 8, 2021 6:07 pm

people not seeing what is special about him will once he's in the NBA because he'll be running the PnR where he shines. He's plenty athletic, he just picks his spots to showcase it and the lane is clogged in college so the opportunities are limited. To reiterate, he has a horrible supporting cast. It's so bad, that despite him being the #1 player coming in, his team wasn't even ranked in the top 25. He's getting his teammates open opportunities they're just missing shots and that's mostly why his assist to turnover ratio is negative. He could be dominating more but like Ben Simmons at LSU, I think he resents needing to go to college and just wants to get through unscathed. People want an NBA comparison and it's probably SGA. He can shoot, plays defense, and doesn't stat pad, so it's not Luka. SGA is one of the top young PG in the league and I think Cade will be in that discussion and produce similarly to SGA but from jump and SGA is putting up 22-6-6 with good defense so that's substantial.

MotownMadness · Post #188 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Feb 8, 2021 7:34 pm

My biggest problem with him is being more aggressive. Guy can clearly turn it up late in games but he should be doing more of it.

Post #189 » by **AshyLarrysDiaper** » Mon Feb 8, 2021 10:02 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:people not seeing what is special about him will once he's in the NBA because he'll be running the PnR where he shines. He's plenty athletic, he just picks his spots to showcase it and the lane is clogged in college so the opportunities are limited. To reiterate, he has a horrible supporting cast. It's so bad, that despite him being the #1 player coming in, his team wasn't even ranked in the top 25. He's getting his teammates open opportunities they're just missing shots and that's mostly why his assist to turnover ratio is negative. He could be dominating more but like Ben Simmons at LSU, I think he resents needing to go to college and just wants to get through unscathed. People want an NBA comparison and it's probably SGA. He can shoot, plays defense, and doesn't stat pad, so it's not Luka. SGA is one of the top young PG in the league and I think Cade will be in that discussion and produce similarly to SGA but from jump and SGA is putting up 22-6-6 with good defense so that's substantial.

The bolded part contradicts the narrative that Cade puts up somewhat underwhelming stats because he only cares about winning, not his own numbers. Personally, I don't see a guy who's just trying to get out of the college season unscathed. He looks invested in that OKST team to me. I just don't think he has elite half-court scoring tools or Luka's manipulation gift. Putting him on a badly spaced team highlights those deficits, but that doesn't mean team context is the only thing holding him back.

Post #190 » by **jman3134** » Mon Feb 8, 2021 11:00 pm

It is a joke that the narrative is how bad Oklahoma St is. Did you watch them without Cade?

MotownMadness · Post #191 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Feb 9, 2021 5:38 am

I dont think hes a primary PG. He does make alot of nice passes that guys miss often but he doesnt really have the ball handling at times to not find himself in trouble resulting in alot of turnovers.

Announcer was right about his high dribble to which I didn't really notice until he mentioned it.

Great Prospect with all he can do at that size but would probably look best with another primary ball handler next to him.

Hes so hard to judge at times though cause defenses lock in on him at this level easily on this team.

peZt · Post #192 » by **peZt** » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:19 pm

I really don't see the transcendant talent that some people make him out to be. Having more turnovers than assists is another major red flag. Give me Mobley and Suggs over him.
Every year there is a prospect that fails to deliver expectations despite draft twitter circle jerkin over him. I fear this year it might be him

TheSuzerain · Post #193 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:47 pm

He needs to pass the intangible check (i.e. is he a guy who is going to work at his game to improve?), but if he does I think he's still the no doubt #1.

- Plus Shooting
- Plus Vision
- Playmaking Wing (the most valuable player archetype)

He has some warts, but he still profiles as a #1 overall imo.

MotownMadness · Post #194 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:32 am

TheSuzerain wrote:He needs to pass the intangible check (i.e. is he a guy who is going to work at his game to improve?), but if he does I think he's still the no doubt #1.

- Plus Shooting
- Plus Vision
- Playmaking Wing (the most valuable player archetype)

He has some warts, but he still profiles as a #1 overall imo.

Yeah the things he can do at 6'8 220 lbs is just to appealing for me to pass up at #1. Then hes got a 7'2 wingspan on top of it.

He'll probably go off surrounded by NBA players when he cant be swamped by double teams constantly like now, spacing will probably be huge for his game.

Post #195 » by **Marcus** » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:01 am

MotownMadness wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:He needs to pass the intangible check (i.e. is he a guy who is going to work at his game to improve?), but if he does I think he's still the no doubt #1.

- Plus Shooting
- Plus Vision
- Playmaking Wing (the most valuable player archetype)

He has some warts, but he still profiles as a #1 overall imo.

Yeah the things he can do at 6'8 220 lbs is just to appealing for me to pass up at #1. Then hes got a 7'2 wingspan on top of it.

He'll probably go off surrounded by NBA players when he cant be swamped by double teams constantly like now, spacing will probably be huge for his game.

Spacing and what he does with it will be the biggest game changer for him. Being able to use his size and frame in more space coupled with higher caliber finishers will make a world of difference for those looking for stats to correlate with hype.

Old Man Game · Post #196 » by **Old Man Game** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:30 am

Cade dropped a 40 piece on the in state rival today at their house. I'm on board.

Post #197 » by **Klomp** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:18 am

He may have just locked it up

Post #198 » by **Marcus** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:35 am

Didn't like the turnovers but loved the advanced footwork on the drives and the adjustment to go to the post and play off ball later in the game. Great hands and good defensive reads as per usual

No-Man · Post #199 » by **No-Man** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:05 am

Cade was going to go nº1 for any franchise with a brain way before this

He shows the ball too much at times Marcus, like he is the closest guy I have seen to Luka but he is smoother on the jumper better on D than young Luka and worse as a handler/PG (still very good for 6'8 220 +7 ws)

pcbothwel · Post #200 » by **pcbothwel** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:03 pm

Fischella wrote:Cade was going to go nº1 for any franchise with a brain way before this

He shows the ball too much at times Marcus, like he is the closest guy I have seen to Luka but he is smoother on the jumper better on D than young Luka and worse as a handler/PG (still very good for 6'8 220 +7 ws)

Tatum/Joe Johnson?