GT: Nets @ Pistons - 02/09/21 - 7:30pm

[Hello Brooklyn]

I think that has to be the move. Harris/Dinwiddie are our only real assets.

We have to pray Shamet can be our shooter once Harris leaves.

Need a couple of killers on defense who let the Big 3 carry the offense night to night.

Nash will NOT play defenders. if we bring in defenders shamet and TLC will just move into harris role. Nash barely plays brown and he is yet to play shumpert. he goes 30+ minutes small with no shot blocker on the floor.

he doesnt care about effort or defense. we have some roster issues, but its compounded by nash having 0 clue how to gameplan, how to adjust, how to use timeouts, and an unwillingness to sacragice offense for D in any lineup

Some roster issues?

We have a serious problem at center. Jordan is clearly not better than Allen, as you have previously stated. We are worse with him starting. He is lazy and doesn't even rotate, I lost count of how many times he has failed to contest a shot at the rim.

Pelle is not an NBA player. We have zero interior defense. Sean Marks has totally botched this entire situation.

Nash played Bruce Brown, arguably our best defensive player, 25 mins tonight and he was -4. When you don't have interior defense and your starting backcourt allows a lay up drill, it doesn't really matter what guys like Brown do. We are **** ed.

Outside of Brown, who else is a good defender on this roster? KD yeah, everyone else? pfft. TLC is a G leaguer. Shamet has basically played himself out of the league at this point.

This team's bench tonight was Bruce Brown, Landry Shamet, TLC, Norvell Pelle, Chris Chiozza, Tyler Johnson, and Noah Vonleh.

Bruce Brown is a good player, but not that good. The rest of these guy aren't NBA players. How on earth are you focused on Nash when Marks has this team being anchored by the Long Island Nets???

I think the blame goes all around, but this roster make up is atrocious and Marks has finally outsmarted himself. He has Joe Tsai paying luxury tax for KD/Kyrie/Harden and a pack of scrubs. we're cooked.

I'm with you on this.

I've been very critical of Nash, but his rotations are not always to blame.

The roster sucks and the effort sucks. Guys don't want/know how to defend at a high level.

Marks has had a month to get some type of help on the bench. He keeps hedging on signing guys like RHJ or Alex Len in favor of scrubs like Pelle or a washed up Shump.

I'm not saying those guys are good but they have at least proven to be rotation guys in the past.

We have to find some way to add more legitimate depth to this team.

There is no backup Center. Bruce Brown is our only legitimate bench player.

Chiozza, Tyler Johnson, Pelle are wastes of a roster spot.

TLC is a 9th man at best.

What was the plan when we got Harden? To just give up on defense. I thought Marks would know what he was doing.

Jarrett Allen alone would literally solve nearly all of problems. Not to mention Prince, Levert and an additional piece we get for a First Rounder.

[zimpy27]

this is flat out wrong. Hardens usage is actually up with the Nets. Kyrie/Harden have plenty of shots. there is no overlap. kyrie is an elite off ball SG. Harden is an elite onball combo gaurd. both are getting a ton of usage.

awful coaching. period.

If it were awful coaching then how do you propose you change it?

Durant brought in Nash and Kyrie clarified that Nash and the players are working together to "coach each other" and that they love it this way.

You fire Nash.

if the players dont like it, then that should be a wake up call for them. you can still replace nash with a star friendly coach who isnt a complete moron. Or fire D'antoni to send a message to nash

Maybe fire D'Antoni. Firing Nash feels like a drastic statement to make. I can't imagine that happneing this early.

[NyCeEvO]

Harden was still an offensive monster on those teams. Even last year.

I wouldn't care about the defensive lapses as much if he was doing what he used to do.

Hes not even close to that player right now.

Yes, he was still a monster because he was surrounded by the right pieces. They covered his weak spots and he covered theirs.

Stylistically, Harden isn't doing much different from what he was doing in HOU. There's just a massive difference between passing to Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker versus TLC and Reggie Perry.

The threat of making 3s off of Harden penetration made it difficult for teams to double Harden, but if you don't double him, he'll go to work on you 1-on-1. Right now, no one is afraid of TLC and other bench players making 3s at a high clip like Gordon or Tucker. The defense just sags off of Harden and clogs the paint. And because Harden was basically a feast or famine 3pt shot-& layup player, you're getting a lot of low quality 3s because the paint is blocked off.

If the paint opens up, he can feast more. The paint will remain closed as long as he's passing to borderline NBA players.

i dont think thats true at all. they arent sagging off of harden. he is scoring at a pretty efficient clip and our offense is cooking. problem is we constantly have to play offense for 94 feet because the other team scored. and are constantly giving up momentum killing layups/second chance points/or easy fast breaks off turnovers. and we do nothing to attempt to combat any of those things.

Like if we forced some stops, harden can get early offense. we almost NEVER get that. its actually quite amazing we score as much and as efficiently as we do with it almost all coming in the half court.

I meant to say "sag off the bench players" not Harden. They're definitely not sagging off of him.

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[Prokorov]

I'm with you on this.

I've been very critical of Nash, but his rotations are not always to blame.

Its not the rotations im really worried about. its the lack of gameplan and adjustments. as mentioned, you dont need to play energy guys 40 minutes to change momentum. good coaches will empty their bench in the 2nd or 3rd quarter of a game like this to get 5 high effort guys in, regardless of how bad they are, to spark energy and send a message to their starters. that cold be a 3-4 minute stretch, nothing more.

futher, no game plan. Holiday is literally their only offensive creater. why is he seeing single coverage and getting to hunt mismatches on switches. why arent we doubling? we arent we forcing it out of his hands? because we are afraid to leave someone open? we already give up open shots and layups. where are the timeouts? he never stops the bleeding with a timeout?

The roster sucks and the effort sucks. Guys don't want/know how to defend at a high level.

The roster doesnt suck. its the best nets roster of alltime, and frankly its not close. you have 3 all-nba players next to 5 legit NBA rotational players. im sorry, but you need to make that work as a coach. a real coach can work around not having a backup 5 or 2-way wing. especially when that coach has hall of famers in their prime at 3 spots.

Marks has had a month to get some type of help on the bench. He keeps hedging on signing guys like RHJ or Alex Len in favor of scrubs like Pelle or a washed up Shump.

Shump isnt washed up any more then RHJ. and its irrelevant who MArks signs, because nash isnt going to play defenders.

We have to find some way to add more legitimate depth to this team.

I'd be more willing to talk about depth if our STARTERS were not getting man handled by the worst team in basketball

What was the plan when we got Harden? To just give up on defense. I thought Marks would know what he was doing.

Marks has been masterful with the exception of hiring nash. he letting a toddler handle the keys to his bently

Jarrett Allen alone would literally solve nearly all of problems. Not to mention Prince, Levert and an additional piece we get for a First Rounder.

Levert was our worst defender. Prince was trash defensively and trashed by nearly everyone on this board. Allen is obviously a big loss, but we were getting dominated defensively by scrub teams even with allen here. i think adding someone like mcgee helps a decent amount. but the biggest issue is still nash. and it isnt even remotely close what the #2 issue is.

As i mentioned a month ago, he is coaching like someone who wants out.

[Prokorov]

I'm with you on this.

I've been very critical of Nash, but his rotations are not always to blame.

Its not the rotations im really worried about. its the lack of gameplan and adjustments. as mentioned, you dont need to play energy guys 40 minutes to change momentum. good coaches will empty their bench in the 2nd or 3rd quarter of a game like this to get 5 high effort guys in, regardless of how bad they are, to spark energy and send a message to their starters. that cold be a 3-4 minute stretch, nothing more.

futher, no game plan. Holiday is literally their only offensive creater. why is he seeing single coverage and getting to hunt mismatches on switches. why arent we doubling? we arent we forcing it out of his hands? because we are afraid to leave someone open? we already give up open shots and layups. where are the timeouts? he never stops the bleeding with a timeout?

The roster sucks and the effort sucks. Guys don't want/know how to defend at a high level.

The roster doesnt suck. its the best nets roster of alltime, and frankly its not close. you have 3 all-nba players next to 5 legit NBA rotational players. im sorry, but you need to make that work as a coach. a real coach can work around not having a backup 5 or 2-way wing. especially when that coach has hall of famers in their prime at 3 spots.

Marks has had a month to get some type of help on the bench. He keeps hedging on signing guys like RHJ or Alex Len in favor of scrubs like Pelle or a washed up Shump.

Shump isnt washed up any more then RHJ. and its irrelevant who MArks signs, because nash isnt going to play defenders.

We have to find some way to add more legitimate depth to this team.

I'd be more willing to talk about depth if our STARTERS were not getting man handled by the worst team in basketball

What was the plan when we got Harden? To just give up on defense. I thought Marks would know what he was doing.

Marks has been masterful with the exception of hiring nash. he letting a toddler handle the keys to his bently

Jarrett Allen alone would literally solve nearly all of problems. Not to mention Prince, Levert and an additional piece we get for a First Rounder.

Levert was our worst defender. Prince was trash defensively and trashed by nearly everyone on this board. Allen is obviously a big loss, but we were getting dominated defensively by scrub teams even with allen here. i think adding someone like mcgee helps a decent amount. but the biggest issue is still nash. and it isnt even remotely close what the #2 issue is.

As i mentioned a month ago, he is coaching like someone who wants out.

[Prokorov]

Yes, he was still a monster because he was surrounded by the right pieces. They covered his weak spots and he covered theirs.

Stylistically, Harden isn't doing much different from what he was doing in HOU. There's just a massive difference between passing to Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker versus TLC and Reggie Perry.

The threat of making 3s off of Harden penetration made it difficult for teams to double Harden, but if you don't double him, he'll go to work on you 1-on-1. Right now, no one is afraid of TLC and other bench players making 3s at a high clip like Gordon or Tucker. The defense just sags off of Harden and clogs the paint. And because Harden was basically a feast or famine 3pt shot-& layup player, you're getting a lot of low quality 3s because the paint is blocked off.

If the paint opens up, he can feast more. The paint will remain closed as long as he's passing to borderline NBA players.

i dont think thats true at all. they arent sagging off of harden. he is scoring at a pretty efficient clip and our offense is cooking. problem is we constantly have to play offense for 94 feet because the other team scored. and are constantly giving up momentum killing layups/second chance points/or easy fast breaks off turnovers. and we do nothing to attempt to combat any of those things.

Like if we forced some stops, harden can get early offense. we almost NEVER get that. its actually quite amazing we score as much and as efficiently as we do with it almost all coming in the half court.

I meant to say "sag off the bench players" not Harden. They're definitely not sagging off of him.

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that is what i assumed you meant. i dont think they are sagging off harden at all. im pretty sure in the majority of instances that isnt the case. and he is scoring and creating offense at will and our offense with him in all lineups is all-time great absurd.

it just doesnt seem it because nothing we get comes in early offense off misses because we dont force misses. we have almost no chances to run or even push quickly.

id love to see our offensive stats after we force a missed shot. it has to be ungodly good. its why with durant our record is elite. because he helps us get at least a few stops

[mcscotty]

I think that has to be the move. Harris/Dinwiddie are our only real assets.

We have to pray Shamet can be our shooter once Harris leaves.

Need a couple of killers on defense who let the Big 3 carry the offense night to night.

Nash will NOT play defenders. if we bring in defenders shamet and TLC will just move into harris role. Nash barely plays brown and he is yet to play shumpert. he goes 30+ minutes small with no shot blocker on the floor.

he doesnt care about effort or defense. we have some roster issues, but its compounded by nash having 0 clue how to gameplan, how to adjust, how to use timeouts, and an unwillingness to sacragice offense for D in any lineup

Some roster issues?

We have a serious problem at center. Jordan is clearly not better than Allen, as you have previously stated. We are worse with him starting. He is lazy and doesn't even rotate, I lost count of how many times he has failed to contest a shot at the rim.

Pelle is not an NBA player. We have zero interior defense. Sean Marks has totally botched this entire situation.

Nash played Bruce Brown, arguably our best defensive player, 25 mins tonight and he was -4. When you don't have interior defense and your starting backcourt allows a lay up drill, it doesn't really matter what guys like Brown do. We are **** ed.

Outside of Brown, who else is a good defender on this roster? KD yeah, everyone else? pfft. TLC is a G leaguer. Shamet has basically played himself out of the league at this point.

This team's bench tonight was Bruce Brown, Landry Shamet, TLC, Norvell Pelle, Chris Chiozza, Tyler Johnson, and Noah Vonleh.

Bruce Brown is a good player, but not that good. The rest of these guy aren't NBA players. How on earth are you focused on Nash when Marks has this team being anchored by the Long Island Nets???

I think the blame goes all around, but this roster make up is atrocious and Marks has finally outsmarted himself. He has Joe Tsai paying luxury tax for KD/Kyrie/Harden and a pack of scrubs. we're cooked.

This is the crux of the matter. The big 3 era is essentially over. Or at least you can't acquire those 3 superstars with current cap constraints. The only way it works is if you draft and quickly develop a couple of stars with Bird Rights in hand. So, now you're left with a serious dilemma entangled with friendships, politics and egos. KD is the best player in the game, but he honestly created this mess. He's been nothing short of spectacular on the court, but all the skill on earth is going to unravel this tangled web he has created. He certainly owes it to you guys to re-up after his current contract and see this through.

[Prokorov]

Nash will NOT play defenders. if we bring in defenders shamet and TLC will just move into harris role. Nash barely plays brown and he is yet to play shumpert. he goes 30+ minutes small with no shot blocker on the floor.

he doesnt care about effort or defense. we have some roster issues, but its compounded by nash having 0 clue how to gameplan, how to adjust, how to use timeouts, and an unwillingness to sacragice offense for D in any lineup

Some roster issues?

We have a serious problem at center. Jordan is clearly not better than Allen, as you have previously stated. We are worse with him starting. He is lazy and doesn't even rotate, I lost count of how many times he has failed to contest a shot at the rim.

Pelle is not an NBA player. We have zero interior defense. Sean Marks has totally botched this entire situation.

Nash played Bruce Brown, arguably our best defensive player, 25 mins tonight and he was -4. When you don't have interior defense and your starting backcourt allows a lay up drill, it doesn't really matter what guys like Brown do. We are **** ed.

Outside of Brown, who else is a good defender on this roster? KD yeah, everyone else? pfft. TLC is a G leaguer. Shamet has basically played himself out of the league at this point.

This team's bench tonight was Bruce Brown, Landry Shamet, TLC, Norvell Pelle, Chris Chiozza, Tyler Johnson, and Noah Vonleh.

Bruce Brown is a good player, but not that good. The rest of these guy aren't NBA players. How on earth are you focused on Nash when Marks has this team being anchored by the Long Island Nets???

I think the blame goes all around, but this roster make up is atrocious and Marks has finally outsmarted himself. He has Joe Tsai paying luxury tax for KD/Kyrie/Harden and a pack of scrubs. we're cooked.

This is the crux of the matter. The big 3 era is essentially over. Or at least you can't acquire those 3 superstars with current cap constraints. The only way it works is if you draft and quickly develop a couple of stars with Bird Rights in hand. So, now you're left with a serious dilemma entangled with friendships, politics and egos. KD is the best player in the game, but he honestly created this mess. He's been nothing short of spectacular on the court, but all the skill on earth is going to unravel this tangled web he has created. He certainly owes it to you guys to re-up after his current contract and see this through.

none of those things are an issue

having the worst coach in league history is the issue. and even then we still will make the finals. we are 6-1 when the big 3 play. no title with nash, but we are sitll better then anyone in the east when all 3 play

[MGrand15]

Absolute worst case scenario for a rookie coach:

Constantly questioning the effort and pride of your team instead of trying to adjust tactics. Not taking any responsibility. That's how you lose a team.

We've still been really good with KD playing so it's not full on panic mode here but we're building REALLY bad habits.

[mcscotty]

Some roster issues?

We have a serious problem at center. Jordan is clearly not better than Allen, as you have previously stated. We are worse with him starting. He is lazy and doesn't even rotate, I lost count of how many times he has failed to contest a shot at the rim.

Pelle is not an NBA player. We have zero interior defense. Sean Marks has totally botched this entire situation.

Nash played Bruce Brown, arguably our best defensive player, 25 mins tonight and he was -4. When you don't have interior defense and your starting backcourt allows a lay up drill, it doesn't really matter what guys like Brown do. We are **** ed.

Outside of Brown, who else is a good defender on this roster? KD yeah, everyone else? pfft. TLC is a G leaguer. Shamet has basically played himself out of the league at this point.

This team's bench tonight was Bruce Brown, Landry Shamet, TLC, Norvell Pelle, Chris Chiozza, Tyler Johnson, and Noah Vonleh.

Bruce Brown is a good player, but not that good. The rest of these guy aren't NBA players. How on earth are you focused on Nash when Marks has this team being anchored by the Long Island Nets???

I think the blame goes all around, but this roster make up is atrocious and Marks has finally outsmarted himself. He has Joe Tsai paying luxury tax for KD/Kyrie/Harden and a pack of scrubs. we're cooked.

This is the crux of the matter. The big 3 era is essentially over. Or at least you can't acquire those 3 superstars with current cap constraints. The only way it works is if you draft and quickly develop a couple of stars with Bird Rights in hand. So, now you're left with a serious dilemma entangled with friendships, politics and egos. KD is the best player in the game, but he honestly created this mess. He's been nothing short of spectacular on the court, but all the skill on earth is going to unravel this tangled web he has created. He certainly owes it to you guys to re-up after his current contract and see this through.

none of those things are an issue

having the worst coach in league history is the issue. and even then we still will make the finals. we are 6-1 when the big 3 play. no title with nash, but we are sitll better then anyone in the east when all 3 play

It has nothing to do with the coaching. You can't make something out of nothing. How do you make adjustments? Is kyrie coming off the bench? You have 3 of the best offensive stars ever assembled, and the worst supporting cast in league history.

[Prokorov]

Absolute worst case scenario for a rookie coach:

Constantly questioning the effort and pride of your team instead of trying to adjust tactics. Not taking any responsibility. That's how you lose a team.

We've still been really good with KD playing so it's not full on panic mode here but we're building REALLY bad habits.

This is spot on.

Nash is in no position to be throwing players under the bus post-game. To be clear, plenty of blame to go on the players. But you just coached an awful game, made no adjustments, didnt use your timeouts again, didnt try and mix it up, didnt get vocal with the refs.

look in the mirror before blaming your players. what are you doing to help defensively? did you trap? did you pick up full court? did you force the holiday to give it up early in the shotclock? did you try an alternative to switcing everything on the perimeter? did you try and inject energy by emptying your bench and giving guys like chiozza/shump/perry 3 minutes to just go balls ot the wall and inject life?

nope.

it is hard for me to listen to any complaints about Marks, roster contruction, depth, or Jordan if Nash cant find a way to coach the team to a win over the worst team in the league. it is hard for me to listen to complaints about fit or KD being out if nash cant hold the worst offense in the league under 120

[Iceberg_Slim]

Optically a terrible lose. But big picture we played correctly on defense after the 1st quarter. We went under screens. Giving up off the dribble three opportunities. When we chased over the big dropped and forced midrange floaters. This is the exact type of shots we want from the opponents. Off ball awareness is still concerning but a smart defender could organize us better. We are a terribly small team and there’s no gameplan long that can make up for that. That absolutely has to change with our trades and such.

Fans are fanatics. We obviously are all aware that trades can be made. That Spencer contract is valuable. That Brown/Shamet/TLC are all available. That Nic hasn’t come back yet. That we have the DPE and MLE(in particular the MLE could’ve been used last year or anytime since then, but Sean held off to see what opportunities were available. This trade or a trade like this was always in mind). But fans are on top of the world or pits of hell by the end of every game. The core knows moves will be made. Sean knows. Nash knows, tho he has to stop the head grabbing, if he thinks it makes him look like he caring it doesn’t. If he really is freaking boy oh boy. Calm and fiery all we want to see from you.

While I think DJ is fine in the backup 18mpg role defensively I might have been wrong about that. I could be just overreacting from the moment but he did look unaware and not engaged in his role. He’s the defensive anchor not the lob threat.

[Prokorov]

It has nothing to do with the coaching. You can't make something out of nothing. How do you make adjustments? Is kyrie coming off the bench? You have 3 of the best offensive stars ever assembled, and the worst supporting cast in league history.

100% wrong. idiotic to suggest otherwise.

you dont need to make something out of nothing. you need to making something out of 2 elite players vs. the worst team in basketball. dont talk to me about "supporting cast" when the other team is rolling out mason plumlee, delon wright, and wayne ellington.

if we had any of the other 29 coaches in the league this team is 20-5

[mcscotty]

I doubt 100% of the people on this forum would disagree with me. You're not going to win with 3 stars, an excellent sharpshooter on a loaded offense, an overpaid center, and a group of cast offs. I wouldn't bet against KD taking this team to the finals, but I don't like your chances in a 7 game series against the Bucks, Celtics, or Sixers. I don't care even if you had Pop or Phil Jackson at the helm.

[Prokorov]

I doubt 100% of the people on this forum would disagree with me. You're not going to win with 3 stars, an excellent sharpshooter on a loaded offense, an overpaid center, and a group of cast offs. I wouldn't bet against KD taking this team to the finals, but I don't like your chances in a 7 game series against the Bucks, Celtics, or Sixers. I don't care even if you had Pop or Phil Jackson at the helm.

anyone who is not a moron would disagree with you. your take is an awful fail. Of course we will win with 3 stars. the group is 6-1 when they all play, including wins over elite teams.

The sixers and bucks are joke pretenders. id be shocked if either took us to 6 games.

Maybe we dont win it all. but we will make the finals if KD is healthy. which is still an if. i dont think we can beat LA if nash is coach. even if he isnt, its still lebron but we would be right there in a long series.

[MGrand15]

Absolute worst case scenario for a rookie coach:

Constantly questioning the effort and pride of your team instead of trying to adjust tactics. Not taking any responsibility. That's how you lose a team.

We've still been really good with KD playing so it's not full on panic mode here but we're building REALLY bad habits.

This is spot on.

Nash is in no position to be throwing players under the bus post-game. To be clear, plenty of blame to go on the players. But you just coached an awful game, made no adjustments, didnt use your timeouts again, didnt try and mix it up, didnt get vocal with the refs.

look in the mirror before blaming your players. what are you doing to help defensively? did you trap? did you pick up full court? did you force the holiday to give it up early in the shotclock? did you try an alternative to switcing everything on the perimeter? did you try and inject energy by emptying your bench and giving guys like chiozza/shump/perry 3 minutes to just go balls ot the wall and inject life?

nope.

it is hard for me to listen to any complaints about Marks, roster contruction, depth, or Jordan if Nash cant find a way to coach the team to a win over the worst team in the league. it is hard for me to listen to complaints about fit or KD being out if nash cant hold the worst offense in the league under 120

Shump is out with a hamstring issue supposedly.

But yeah, outside of that, 100%.

We used to kill Kenny on here for his defenses (not you specifically but the board) but if we were getting roasted, he'd switch to zone A LOT. If our base defense wasn't working, he'd switch things up. He'd get our defense up to an acceptable level even if it looked ugly.

[mcscotty]

The playoffs are a completely different animal. That's when teams tighten up and adjustments are paramount. I just don't like the way this team is constructed to compete against better balanced rosters. However, it's an attractive market and if the team positions itself well over the next month you could add some pieces to shore things up. Just better hope the play in tournament doesn't water down the buyout market.

[NetsJets]

This team sucks without KD. That shouldn’t be the case when we have Irving and Harden.

[Openheimer]

This team sucks without KD. That shouldn’t be the case when we have Irving and Harden.

Harden needs to stop deferring to Kyrie on offense. Especially nights like tonight when Kyrie was off and he was scoring it so easily. Harden is the superior player and if Kyrie will throw a tantrum as a consequence of harden being more dominant of a scoring option then so be it.

[Paradise]

Absolute worst case scenario for a rookie coach:

Constantly questioning the effort and pride of your team instead of trying to adjust tactics. Not taking any responsibility. That's how you lose a team.

We've still been really good with KD playing so it's not full on panic mode here but we're building REALLY bad habits.

What do I know? Been calling it.

I’ve been on his ass for a good two weeks now because I saw all of this coming. Trade or not. We were looking the same with Jarrett Allen, Caris and nothing has changed since adding James Harden. Imagine that.

The moment I realized this man said “zone is coming soon” I knew this was never going to work. Period.

I’m over this dude until he can show me he can coach at a professional level which includes....adjustments. Nash thinks adjustments means changing the starting lineup 30 times a night. Nothing else is required. Twitter is destroying our coaching staff and we’re being clowned across the league. Rightfully so.