Trade Talk (Part Six)

[Jedzz]

I think his trade value is very good, and will be better. I still maintain that Rosas’ process for the contract was bad (to me, the GM equivalent of banking in a 20 footer with three defenders, and calling it a good shot), but Beasley’s eventual contract is still going to be a good deal, especially with the team option at the end.

Still wants to get rid of him

You just can’t resist being a lying piece of crap, can you?

Here’s the part of the post you didn’t edit out. You know, my conclusions, that says the opposite of your lie?

I came to the conclusion that he is the type of player that the Wolves should try to keep, unless they get a very good offer. I’m not sure that was Rosas’ idea, even the day he traded for him. But the Wolves need players with energy, and they need guys that want to be here, and Malik has mostly filled those roles.

I would peg his value as an expiring and a non-lotto 1st, but I don’t think we should trade him for that.

Same old jedz.

Yes and same old you. You don't get to post the beginning of that, and the follow it up with anything contrary. That would be like saying you are allergic to and hate the taste of peanuts, hate how much peanuts cost, take solice only in the fact that almonds exist, but in the end you've learned to eat peanut butter because your wife makes the sandwich. :yesway:

Hey at least we are both consistent these days.

[Jedzz]

Would a trade of Rubio to the Spurs somehow make sense?

Yes to help the roster logjam. Would Spurs though, given their depth at pg already? idk

LaMarcus Aldridge and Culver for Rubio? I think Aldridge is injured and expiring.

Clippers maybe?

[shrink]

Still wants to get rid of him

You just can’t resist being a lying piece of crap, can you?

Here’s the part of the post you didn’t edit out. You know, my conclusions, that says the opposite of your lie?

I came to the conclusion that he is the type of player that the Wolves should try to keep, unless they get a very good offer. I’m not sure that was Rosas’ idea, even the day he traded for him. But the Wolves need players with energy, and they need guys that want to be here, and Malik has mostly filled those roles.

I would peg his value as an expiring and a non-lotto 1st, but I don’t think we should trade him for that.

Same old jedz.

Yes and same old you. You don't get to post the beginning of that, and the follow it up with anything contrary. That would be like saying you are allergic to and hate the taste of peanuts, hate how much peanuts cost, take solice only in the fact that almonds exist, but in the end you've learned to eat peanut butter because your wife makes the sandwich. :yesway:

Hey at least we are both consistent these days.

What? The beginning doesn’t say, “I want to trade him, “ and the end explicitly says I DON’T want to trade him! Twice!

You read my quotes, (I underlined them for you now), intentionally edited them out of your post, then claimed I said the opposite. Typical, You lie a lot, trying to create drama, and never accepting responsibility when you lie, like you did here.

Same old jedz!

[Jedzz]

You just can’t resist being a lying piece of crap, can you?

Here’s the part of the post you didn’t edit out. You know, my conclusions, that says the opposite of your lie?



Same old jedz.

Yes and same old you. You don't get to post the beginning of that, and the follow it up with anything contrary. That would be like saying you are allergic to and hate the taste of peanuts, hate how much peanuts cost, take solice only in the fact that almonds exist, but in the end you've learned to eat peanut butter because your wife makes the sandwich. :yesway:

Hey at least we are both consistent these days.

What? The beginning doesn’t say, “I want to trade him, “ and the end explicitly says I DON’T want to trade him! Twice!

You read my quotes, (I underlined them for you now), intentionally edited them out of your post, then claimed I said the opposite. Typical, You lie a lot, trying to create drama, and never accepting responsibility when you lie, like you did here.

Same old jedz!

Your beginning first continues the claim Rosas screwed up by offering him what he did. Then goes on to suggest it's only ok because the final year is a team option. Why? Because you still think he won't be worth it then? Team option final year or no option, doesn't matter in the slightest. It was the cheapest deal for a quality shooter of the offseason and he's the best of the bunch and ideal for here. He's already proven enough to get you to half way back off your previous subjective and incorrect stances on him, locked in the fact he was worthy of his deal and he's already improving further and looking to attain the next level of player and next level of contract in the future. What more could anyone want from the situation?

All that needs to be said from you is the words that you were wrong about him. Nothing more, no qualifying or excuses. It happens to all of us. Just admit it plainly, move on. We shouldn't have to put up with your continued slams such as already claiming his shooting isn't all that because he hasn't averaged 42% yet this season. Which was only a claimed number by you that he had to reach, nobody else. Should I quote the recent post where you said others claimed he would average that? Or should I quote the older posts where you were the one actually claiming that number was needed?

Do you need an example of how? Go find my crow dinner on LaMello. Admit and move on.

[karch34]

Would a trade of Rubio to the Spurs somehow make sense?

Yes to help the roster logjam. Would Spurs though, given their depth at pg already? idk

LaMarcus Aldridge and Culver for Rubio? I think Aldridge is injured and expiring.

Clippers maybe?

I had thought of same trade for LMA. I'd do it to balance roster and for cap, not sure if Spurs would or Wolves want to use Culver to move Rubio contract.

[shrink]

Yes and same old you. You don't get to post the beginning of that, and the follow it up with anything contrary. That would be like saying you are allergic to and hate the taste of peanuts, hate how much peanuts cost, take solice only in the fact that almonds exist, but in the end you've learned to eat peanut butter because your wife makes the sandwich. :yesway:

Hey at least we are both consistent these days.

What? The beginning doesn’t say, “I want to trade him, “ and the end explicitly says I DON’T want to trade him! Twice!

You read my quotes, (I underlined them for you now), intentionally edited them out of your post, then claimed I said the opposite. Typical, You lie a lot, trying to create drama, and never accepting responsibility when you lie, like you did here.

Same old jedz!

Your beginning first continues the claim Rosas screwed up by offering him what he did. Then goes on to suggest it's only ok because the final year is a team option. Why? Because you still think he won't be worth it then? Team option final year or no option, doesn't matter in the slightest. It was the cheapest deal for a quality shooter of the offseason and he's the best of the bunch and ideal for here. He's already proven enough to get you to half way back off your previous subjective and incorrect stances on him, locked in the fact he was worthy of his deal and he's already improving further and looking to attain the next level of player and next level of contract in the future. What more could anyone want from the situation?

All that needs to be said from you is the words that you were wrong about him. Nothing more, no qualifying or excuses. It happens to all of us. Just admit it plainly, move on. We shouldn't have to put up with your continued slams such as already claiming his shooting isn't all that because he hasn't averaged 42% yet this season. Which was only a claimed number by you that he had to reach, nobody else. Should I quote the recent post where you said others claimed he would average that? Or should I quote the older posts where you were the one actually claiming that number was needed?

Do you need an example of how? Go find my crow dinner on LaMello. Admit and move on.

OMG! You continue to be a lying piece of crap, who takes no responsibility for lying. You can’t make this stuff up!

You’re still trying to weasel out, and claim to not understand a sentence about the PROCESS of making a contract, doesn’t mean that “the contract turned out bad” and especially that “he still wants to trade him!”

With his performance, where do we think Malik Beasley's trade value is at? (Note: I do not want to trade him, just curious how we feel about his value)

I think his trade value is very good, and will be better. I still maintain that Rosas’ process for the contract was bad (to me, the GM equivalent of banking in a 20 footer with three defenders, and calling it a good shot), but Beasley’s eventual contract is still going to be a good deal, especially with the team option at the end.

Still wants to get rid of him

... that even a person stupid enough to make that leap, should understand these sentences IN THE SAME POST mean he doesn’t want to trade him.

I came to the conclusion that he is the type of player that the Wolves should try to keep, unless they get a very good offer. I’m not sure that was Rosas’ idea, even the day he traded for him. But the Wolves need players with energy, and they need guys that want to be here, and Malik has mostly filled those roles.

I would peg his value as an expiring and a non-lotto 1st, but I don’t think we should trade him for that.

Are we to believe you are so stupid you unintentionally jumped to the wrong conclusion, and didn’t understand TWICE saying I didn’t want to trade him meant ..

Still wants to get rid of him

You want us to believe you didn’t understand?!? I can’t believe anyone is that stupid to see UP twice and say “he thinks DOWN.” Should we call you, “Special Jedz?”

So that leaves you as a lying sack of crap, editing and intentionally misinterpreting other people’s posts because you can’t help yourself from being a lying sack of crap. Just like you always do.

[Klomp]

Would a trade of Rubio to the Spurs somehow make sense?

I don't think there's a lot of teams we could trade him to, but I do think the Spurs might be one of them.

[Jedzz]

So that leaves you as a lying sack of crap, editing and intentionally misinterpreting other people’s posts because you can’t help yourself from being a lying sack of crap. Just like you always do.

Lying huh. You'll have to find and post my lie first. Maybe you should calm down before something pops. I don't have a reason to lie. Unlike you I admit it when I've been wrong. It's really freeing, you should try it. It sort of requires admitting you aren't perfect to yourself and that others can still respect your thoughts even if not always right.

To focus on thing thing, one lie as you put it, how about this 42% requirement you...you set this # in the past. Will you admit it was you requiring that and no one else? Do you remember when you moved the goal posts one day and claimed since he wasn't already averaging above 42% like a rare couple of this league have in the past (Curry, others) you couldn't see him being a worthy shooter here worth any offer over the MLE. You moved those goal posts to 42% because I had shown how he can be a 40% shooter as he already had one season shooting with that average. I suggested then you were moving goal posts and nobody needed to claim that high an average to be worthy. Just yesterday or today you claimed others claimed 42%. Are you denying this lie you just posted recently now? Do we need to go bring back those old posts? It wasn't that long ago. I don't think we need to or shouldn't. Just stop projecting your mistakes on others over this Beasley topic. I would not even get involved if you would stop projecting your lies upon us.

[Jedzz]

Would a trade of Rubio to the Spurs somehow make sense?

Yes to help the roster logjam. Would Spurs though, given their depth at pg already? idk

LaMarcus Aldridge and Culver for Rubio? I think Aldridge is injured and expiring.

Clippers maybe?

I had thought of same trade for LMA. I'd do it to balance roster and for cap, not sure if Spurs would or Wolves want to use Culver to move Rubio contract.

I also think that Rosas might not want to. It would be giving up his first draft pick and then what was the #17 he used to get Rubio and then Rubio himself. Maybe if Spurs kicked in a pick because they are at least getting two players for one that is likely leaving.

I keep thinking Clippers could use another unselfish PG capable of feeding their stars. But I don't know what they would think of his recent relaps on shooting himself. They would have to see the unfit here causing this. Then they also have Patrick Beverly who I don't think likes Rubio. Maybe it would be different if teammates. I've also thought JMac could fit in there, maybe a better fit.

[shrink]

So that leaves you as a lying sack of crap, editing and intentionally misinterpreting other people’s posts because you can’t help yourself from being a lying sack of crap. Just like you always do.

Lying huh. You'll have to find and post my lie first.

Still wants to get rid of him

That was your entire post. 100% lie.
In fact, in my very same post, I said the exact opposite!
Twice.
I even underlined them for you!

“You’ll have to find and post my lie first!” Just more of the same, Special Jedz!

[Note30]

Would a trade of Rubio to the Spurs somehow make sense?

I don't think there's a lot of teams we could trade him to, but I do think the Spurs might be one of them.

Spurs probably wouldn't without incentive. Rubio's value which was minimal to begin with has probably tanked even further now.

If we want to trade him we have to put him in a position to succeed right now before the trade deadline.

The only teams that might be interested outside of the Spurs are maybe Orlando, Chicago. Other teams would require multiple pieces moving. But all of that are contingent on his value as a starter as his value of the bench has been pretty bad.

[shrink]

Would a trade of Rubio to the Spurs somehow make sense?

I don't think there's a lot of teams we could trade him to, but I do think the Spurs might be one of them.

Spurs probably wouldn't without incentive. Rubio's value which was minimal to begin with has probably tanked even further now.

If we want to trade him we have to put him in a position to succeed right now before the trade deadline.

The only teams that might be interested outside of the Spurs are maybe Orlando, Chicago. Other teams would require multiple pieces moving. But all of that are contingent on his value as a starter as his value of the bench has been pretty bad.

Good post, and I was just about to mention both those teams. The Kings are 7-3 in their last 10, and are looking like a playoff team, so a SAC fan offered

“Bjelica and Joseph for Rubio”

They are talking about buying out the unhappy Bjelly, and Joseph only has $2.4 mil guaranteed for next year. I like Rubio, but this seems like a deal that could help stabilize the PF position a little, and clear us of most of Rubio’s money next year. This deal adds about $2.75 mil in payroll too, so I would suggest including Jake Layman ($3.8, $3.9).

But yeah, I agree. There won’t be many places where Rubio can fit unless we see another team’s PG get injured,

[Norseman79]

I am curious, how long would most of you say Rosas has to start showing some results before things need to change? People, myself included, throwing around trade ideas, but reality is nothing major will happen (barring unforeseen drama), until after this season at the absolute soonest. Would a 20 game sample of Kitten and D-lol be enough to evaluate what's there? I am trying to establish what people believe is enough time spent to know.

[Baseline81]

I am curious, how long would most of you say Rosas has to start showing some results before things need to change? People, myself included, throwing around trade ideas, but reality is nothing major will happen (barring unforeseen drama), until after this season at the absolute soonest. Would a 20 game sample of Kitten and D-lol be enough to evaluate what's there? I am trying to establish what people believe is enough time spent to know.

It's a throwaway year. It wouldn't surprise me if Saunders is given the remainder of the season.

[Jedzz]

So that leaves you as a lying sack of crap, editing and intentionally misinterpreting other people’s posts because you can’t help yourself from being a lying sack of crap. Just like you always do.

Lying huh. You'll have to find and post my lie first.

Still wants to get rid of him

That was your entire post. 100% lie.
In fact, in my very same post, I said the exact opposite!
Twice.
I even underlined them for you!

“You’ll have to find and post my lie first!” Just more of the same, Special Jedz!

Obviously it's not a lie, it's one of the things I believe your post says. And still do. Two faced posting is nothing new here. Do I have to show you exactly where you are doing it?

What am I editing btw?

[karch34]

I am curious, how long would most of you say Rosas has to start showing some results before things need to change? People, myself included, throwing around trade ideas, but reality is nothing major will happen (barring unforeseen drama), until after this season at the absolute soonest. Would a 20 game sample of Kitten and D-lol be enough to evaluate what's there? I am trying to establish what people believe is enough time spent to know.

I have always thought in most sports you need 3 years to truly judge. But you also want to see improvement at certain points. It's tough due to COVID to judge on a typical timeline.

20 games in a row of a reasonably healthy roster with DLo and KAT playing together would give me a bit of an idea if it's keep churning the roster or tweak it.

[Krapinsky]

I wonder if Toronto could decide to blow it up at some point.

Edwards + Culver + Rubio for Pascal Siakam?

[shrink]

Lying huh. You'll have to find and post my lie first.

Still wants to get rid of him

That was your entire post. 100% lie.
In fact, in my very same post, I said the exact opposite!
Twice.
I even underlined them for you!

“You’ll have to find and post my lie first!” Just more of the same, Special Jedz!

Obviously it's not a lie, it's one of the things I believe your post says. And still do. Two faced posting is nothing new here. Do I have to show you exactly where you are doing it?

What am I editing btw?

Obviously it IS a a lie. You can see my quotes saying the exact opposite! Twice. I don’t know what could possibly be stronger evidence!

But somehow you are going to tell us all I didn’t mean what I wrote, and you know that I want the opposite?

Thank God we have such a bastion of credibility! Please tell us all what we are thinking - we can’t trust what we write! But Special Jedz knows! And if he doesn’t, he’ll just make up more crap!

The editing? You edited out all the stuff that said I wanted to keep Beasley, to try to hide your lie. What an odd coincidence, you chose to eliminate that, huh?

[old school 34]

Alright...got a Gordon trade for some consider....I know, I know...we're exhausted with Gordon trades...but this one has a twist, I think?

3-way deal...Orl/Atl/Min

Orl out-- Gordon/Aminu/Ennis for Rubio/Culver/Okogie/Fernando/MN future 1st (lottery protected)

Atl out-- Collins/Snell/Fernando for Gordon/Ennis

Min out-- Rubio/Culver/Okogie/FFRP for Collins/Aminu/Snell

Why for each--

Orl-- Rubio can mentor (especially since Fultz may not even be ready start of next year) & a bunch of defensive oriented young guys to get a look @ (Clifford being defense first coach) & 1 pick...probably as good as Orl could hope for for AG...even though they were hoping for more earlier?

Atl-- They get a young pf @ the price point they can't get Collins to sign & Ennis for Snell a solid push rotation wise while making the financial piece work? Only costing them Fernando (who's in a bad logjam anyway) and the downgrade from JC to AG...which they can probably absorb for the financial price point that they're after?

Min-- If we're going to need to give up draft capital to fix the pf spot...get me the guy that at least has best chance to possibly pass DLo on the pecking chart. Yes, he'll be expensive next year....but his defense has significantly improved this year...he gets us bigger while still be athletic enough that Rosas can feel he fits their system still.

We're not completely blowing it up until we hit the top 3 in the lottery...until that happens...we're going to keep tweaking & moving forward (better or worse)...but I feel this could work & from a future financial side of it...you'd have approx 16 mil in expirings (Davis/Snell) who if they work...might be even smaller to almost min vet type deals? And Aminu/Juancho expiring the year after (another 16-17 mil)....important factors to stay below lux as JC gets extended.

Then sign JMac to that 15th spot & bring one of your G-league wings back on the 2nd 2-way.

DLo/JMac
Beasley/Nowell/Snell
Ant/McDaniels/Layman
Collins/Vanderbilt/Aminu
KAT/Naz/Davis

Thoughts?


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[Wolveswin]

Thunder:
Horford + Muscala + Diallo + 2021 Warriors 1st
FOR
Russell + Paschall + Davis

Warriors:
Wiseman + Oubre + Paschall + Picks (see below)
FOR
Towns + Muscala + Diallo

Wolves:
Towns + Russell + Davis
FOR
Wiseman + Horford + Oubre + 2021 Wolves 1st (returned) + 2021 Warriors 1st (unprotected) + 2021 Wolves 2nd (returned) + 2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap (unprotected) + 2026 Warriors 1st (unprotected)


That is best value Wolves are going to get for Towns and Russell out. Horford’s 3rd year is not guaranteed and after mentoring Wiseman rest of this season, I am sure accepts a discounted buyout to chase rings at 35 (if he can’t be traded).

Tank for Cunningham or Suggs, have a another late 1st and very early 2nd. Rosas can probably even move up in deep 2021 draft for ideal wing (attach to Beasley get into top 10?).

Wiseman | Horford | Reid
Horford | McDaniels | Vanderbilt | Hernangomez
Edwards | Culver | Layman | Oubre (flip for 2nd?)
Beasley | Okogie | Nowell
Rubio | McJordan