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Tank World Order (2.0)

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At 10-13 where do you stand now?

TWO: True tank... Sell all assets and start hoping to land a Top 5 pick through the Lottery
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Asset-Building Mode: Trade Powell/Lowry but Keep Long-Term Core
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Asset-Building Mode: Wait Until Trade Deadline and Let Lowry Make His Own Call
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Buyer Mode: Trade Multiple Picks/Players to Get Star... Continue Competing with Lowry
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Organic Growth Mode: Likely Means Waiting Until Offseason Unless No-Brainer Trade Presents Itself
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Re: Tank World Order (2.0) 

Post#141 » by metafisical » Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:37 am

720 wrote:Warriors are next level man. Imagine getting the 4th or 5th pick in this draft. Oh man. :lol:

All for trading Russell for Wiggins. So worth it.


That's how you rebuild for the next run to the championship.

Not how we are doing it -- dying a slow death by getting worse and worse each season. It's okay. We will definitely need to rebuild next season without Lowry for the entire season.
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Re: Tank World Order (2.0) 

Post#142 » by Danny1616 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:05 am

metafisical wrote:
720 wrote:Warriors are next level man. Imagine getting the 4th or 5th pick in this draft. Oh man. :lol:

All for trading Russell for Wiggins. So worth it.


That's how you rebuild for the next run to the championship.

Not how we are doing it -- dying a slow death by getting worse and worse each season. It's okay. We will definitely need to rebuild next season without Lowry for the entire season.


Okay, got it.

So this is what we need to happen.

We need our superstar player to leave in free agency, our 3rd best player to miss the entire season due to a torn ACL, and then our best player to break his wrist 5 games into the season and miss 3 months.

Then the next season we need our 2nd best player to tear his other ACL right before the season starts.

Now this is great because when Klay returns from missing two seasons due to two torn ACL's he will be 33 years old. He's bound to return to the 2019 version of Klay right away. Steph Curry will also be 33 years old.

Masai is doing a terrible job, why isn't he forcing our star players to suffer season ending injuries!?!?!?!?!!?!? WE ARE DOING IT ALL WRONG, IT'S SO EASY.
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Re: Tank World Order (2.0) 

Post#143 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:08 am

WE'RE 5TH IN THE EAST?!?!?!?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Close this thread.

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Re: Tank World Order (2.0) 

Post#144 » by 720 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:11 am

Danny1616 wrote:
metafisical wrote:
720 wrote:Warriors are next level man. Imagine getting the 4th or 5th pick in this draft. Oh man. :lol:

All for trading Russell for Wiggins. So worth it.


That's how you rebuild for the next run to the championship.

Not how we are doing it -- dying a slow death by getting worse and worse each season. It's okay. We will definitely need to rebuild next season without Lowry for the entire season.


Okay, got it.

So this is what we need to happen.

We need our superstar player to leave in free agency, our 3rd best player to miss the entire season due to a torn ACL, and then our best player to break his wrist 5 games into the season and miss 3 months.

Then the next season we need our 2nd best player to tear his other ACL right before the season starts.

Now this is great because when Klay returns from missing two seasons due to two torn ACL's he will be 33 years old. He's bound to return to the 2019 version of Klay right away. Steph Curry will also be 33 years old.

Masai is doing a terrible job, why isn't he forcing our star players to suffer season ending injuries!?!?!?!?!!?!? WE ARE DOING IT ALL WRONG, IT'S SO EASY.

Or you know, make the smart trades like they did and get rid of Lowry and Norman for some assets rather than letting them walk for nothing.
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Re: Tank World Order (2.0) 

Post#145 » by Danny1616 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:15 am

720 wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
metafisical wrote:
That's how you rebuild for the next run to the championship.

Not how we are doing it -- dying a slow death by getting worse and worse each season. It's okay. We will definitely need to rebuild next season without Lowry for the entire season.


Okay, got it.

So this is what we need to happen.

We need our superstar player to leave in free agency, our 3rd best player to miss the entire season due to a torn ACL, and then our best player to break his wrist 5 games into the season and miss 3 months.

Then the next season we need our 2nd best player to tear his other ACL right before the season starts.

Now this is great because when Klay returns from missing two seasons due to two torn ACL's he will be 33 years old. He's bound to return to the 2019 version of Klay right away. Steph Curry will also be 33 years old.

Masai is doing a terrible job, why isn't he forcing our star players to suffer season ending injuries!?!?!?!?!!?!? WE ARE DOING IT ALL WRONG, IT'S SO EASY.

Or you know, make the smart trades like they did and get rid of Lowry and Norman for some assets rather than letting them walk for nothing.


Huh?

If Curry didn't break his wrist, the Warriors are probably a 7-9 seed in the West and don't get the top 5 pick.

If Klay played this year, that team is a contender and would finish top 3 in the West.

Really weird by argument by you.

What smart trades are you referring to?
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Post#146 » by HEKTOR » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:15 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:WE'RE 5TH IN THE EAST?!?!?!?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Close this thread.

Thank covid?
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Re: Tank World Order (2.0) 

Post#147 » by canada_dry » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:16 am

OakleyDokely wrote:Those who think the Raps are going to fall to the bottom of the standings with a Lowry trade haven't been paying attention to the Raps performances without Lowry.

In order to finish near the bottom, they will need to trade Lowry plus at least two of Siakam/OG/VV/Powell as well. And even that might not be enough.
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Post#148 » by hype_2004 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:19 am

East wide open, we fifth, have great team chemistry and hitting our second gear. We are buyers not sellers, not down with no damn tanks.
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Re: Tank World Order (2.0) 

Post#149 » by Cobra Kawhi » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:20 am

HEKTOR wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:WE'RE 5TH IN THE EAST?!?!?!?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Close this thread.

Thank covid?


Huh?
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Post#150 » by hype_2004 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:23 am

canada_dry wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Those who think the Raps are going to fall to the bottom of the standings with a Lowry trade haven't been paying attention to the Raps performances without Lowry.

In order to finish near the bottom, they will need to trade Lowry plus at least two of Siakam/OG/VV/Powell as well. And even that might not be enough.
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Exactly we are a very deep balanced team, just like in 2019 this team only needs one superstar scorer to go all the way. Would have been nice if we has gotten Harden but not for the purpose of hurting the whole team. This year it's Brooklyn (with a healthy Durant)LA teams again everyone else are just treadmill pretenders. We can make some noise in the east but will short of beating a healthy Nets team.
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Re: Tank World Order (2.0) 

Post#151 » by VanWest82 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:25 am

We're only a couple of wins away from our top 3 seed treadmill.
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Re: Tank World Order (2.0) 

Post#152 » by 720 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:26 am

Danny1616 wrote:
720 wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
Okay, got it.

So this is what we need to happen.

We need our superstar player to leave in free agency, our 3rd best player to miss the entire season due to a torn ACL, and then our best player to break his wrist 5 games into the season and miss 3 months.

Then the next season we need our 2nd best player to tear his other ACL right before the season starts.

Now this is great because when Klay returns from missing two seasons due to two torn ACL's he will be 33 years old. He's bound to return to the 2019 version of Klay right away. Steph Curry will also be 33 years old.

Masai is doing a terrible job, why isn't he forcing our star players to suffer season ending injuries!?!?!?!?!!?!? WE ARE DOING IT ALL WRONG, IT'S SO EASY.

Or you know, make the smart trades like they did and get rid of Lowry and Norman for some assets rather than letting them walk for nothing.


Huh?

If Curry didn't break his wrist, the Warriors are probably a 7-9 seed in the West and don't get the top 5 pick.

If Klay played this year, that team is a contender and would finish top 3 in the West.

Really weird by argument by you.

What smart trades are you referring to?

Russell for Wiggins and a first.

Trade norm for a 1st and Lowry for a 1st/young prospect.

It’s not crazy.
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Post#153 » by 720 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:27 am

VanWest82 wrote:We're only a couple of wins away from our top 3 seed treadmill.

Like the good ole DeBrick Raptor days. Ahh missed that.
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Post#154 » by Danny1616 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:27 am

720 wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
720 wrote:Or you know, make the smart trades like they did and get rid of Lowry and Norman for some assets rather than letting them walk for nothing.


Huh?

If Curry didn't break his wrist, the Warriors are probably a 7-9 seed in the West and don't get the top 5 pick.

If Klay played this year, that team is a contender and would finish top 3 in the West.

Really weird by argument by you.

What smart trades are you referring to?

Russell for Wiggins and a first.

Trade norm for a 1st and Lowry for a 1st/young prospect.

It’s not crazy.


So Russell for Wiggins and a 1st was the big trade?

I think Klay and Curry missing all of last season was a bigger part, lol.
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Re: Tank World Order (2.0) 

Post#155 » by 720 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:28 am

Danny1616 wrote:
720 wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
Huh?

If Curry didn't break his wrist, the Warriors are probably a 7-9 seed in the West and don't get the top 5 pick.

If Klay played this year, that team is a contender and would finish top 3 in the West.

Really weird by argument by you.

What smart trades are you referring to?

Russell for Wiggins and a first.

Trade norm for a 1st and Lowry for a 1st/young prospect.

It’s not crazy.


So Russell for Wiggins and a 1st was the big trade?

I think Klay and Curry missing all of last season was a bigger part, lol.

Me and the other guy were talking about the warriors getting a lotto pick this year from Minnesota. Wtf are you talking about?
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Post#156 » by Danny1616 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:30 am

720 wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
720 wrote:Russell for Wiggins and a first.

Trade norm for a 1st and Lowry for a 1st/young prospect.

It’s not crazy.


So Russell for Wiggins and a 1st was the big trade?

I think Klay and Curry missing all of last season was a bigger part, lol.

Me and the other guy were talking about the warriors getting a lotto pick this year from Minnesota. Wtf are you talking about?


I'm just saying nobody knows how this will play out and you guys are acting like the Warriors are in the perfect spot to be a contender again like they planned it all.

Sure, if Curry can sustain MVP level play, and Klay returns to peak form, Green can still contribute, and Wiseman turns into a star, then yeah they can become a contender again.

But it's not that simple. Curry and Klay will be 33 next year, Klay is coming back from two major surgeries after missing two years and is at the edge of his prime anyways. Nobody knows how he will be.
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Post#157 » by VanWest82 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:33 am

720 wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:We're only a couple of wins away from our top 3 seed treadmill.

Like the good ole DeBrick Raptor days. Ahh missed that.

Team mediocre is a nice winning streak away from another 50+ win pace season. Maybe we'll trade Siakam + TD + a pick for another superstar and win title #2. That'd really piss people off.
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Re: Tank World Order (2.0) 

Post#158 » by 720 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:35 am

Danny1616 wrote:
720 wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
So Russell for Wiggins and a 1st was the big trade?

I think Klay and Curry missing all of last season was a bigger part, lol.

Me and the other guy were talking about the warriors getting a lotto pick this year from Minnesota. Wtf are you talking about?


I'm just saying nobody knows how this will play out and you guys are acting like the Warriors are in the perfect spot to be a contender again like they planned it all.

Sure, if Curry can sustain MVP level play, and Klay returns to peak form, Green can still contribute, and Wiseman turns into a star, then yeah they can become a contender again.

But it's not that simple. Curry and Klay will be 33 next year, Klay is coming back from two major surgeries after missing two years and is at the edge of his prime anyways. Nobody knows how he will be.


It was planned. First of all they got Russell back for KD. Then they flipped that for a lotto pick. How is that not planned?

After Curry and Klay age out they will still have great young pieces like Wiseman and whoever they draft this year or next year with the Minny lotto pick.

Meanwhile we’re hesitating to move Lowry who looks like he’s leaving and Norm who is a role player we can use to flip for a possible young asset.
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Post#159 » by 720 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:37 am

VanWest82 wrote:
720 wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:We're only a couple of wins away from our top 3 seed treadmill.

Like the good ole DeBrick Raptor days. Ahh missed that.

Team mediocre is a nice winning streak away from another 50+ win pace season. Maybe we'll trade Siakam + TD + a pick for another superstar and win title #2. That'd really piss people off.

Team Mediocre were distraught that their mascot DeBrick DeMediocre was traded. What alternate history is this? :lol:
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Post#160 » by Danny1616 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:58 pm

720 wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
720 wrote:Me and the other guy were talking about the warriors getting a lotto pick this year from Minnesota. Wtf are you talking about?


I'm just saying nobody knows how this will play out and you guys are acting like the Warriors are in the perfect spot to be a contender again like they planned it all.

Sure, if Curry can sustain MVP level play, and Klay returns to peak form, Green can still contribute, and Wiseman turns into a star, then yeah they can become a contender again.

But it's not that simple. Curry and Klay will be 33 next year, Klay is coming back from two major surgeries after missing two years and is at the edge of his prime anyways. Nobody knows how he will be.


It was planned. First of all they got Russell back for KD. Then they flipped that for a lotto pick. How is that not planned?

After Curry and Klay age out they will still have great young pieces like Wiseman and whoever they draft this year or next year with the Minny lotto pick.

Meanwhile we’re hesitating to move Lowry who looks like he’s leaving and Norm who is a role player we can use to flip for a possible young asset.


How was it all planned?

KD decided to leave for free agency and picked Brooklyn. Since Kyrie signed with Brooklyn as well they needed to do a sign a trade to make it work with the cap space. In addition, Minny is currently last in the league and the pick is top 3 protected.

End of the day, the Warriors did not plan for Klay and Steph to miss the entire season last year and then KLAY AGAIN to tear his ACL and miss this season as well. If Steph played all last season, that team is not a bottom feeder, they would be in the running for the 7-8 seed. That means they don't get a top 5 pick and instead get a top 16-17 pick.

Now could these events help them in the future if Green can remain a big factor, Klay returns to peak form next year and Wiseman continues to improve? Maybe, but nothing is certain. Klay might only be 70% of his former self and Wiseman may only be a solid big and not an all-star big. We don't know, we have to see. But you can't say this was all planned.

In sum we still don't know what will happen. Klay will be 33 coming off two major surgeries. Curry will also be 33. Green is not getting younger either and is already regressing. All three of those guys are tied up in huge contracts. We don't know if the pick they get next year (if they do get) will be a bust, role player or star.

Golden State might be left with two aging and declining all-stars on super max contracts, and a declining defensive specialist on a huge contract as well. Many things have to go right for Golden State to return to contention. It may or may not happen, and if it does happen, the majority of it can be attributed to Klay and Steph's injuries, not some pre-planned deliberate strategy.

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