WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

[East Bay Sports]

He’s more athletic than Embiid. Embiid a better shooter and better footwork.

But I see a thicker AD at the same time of their ages. But I don’t like the comparisons much because he is a special mix.

He's built like Embiid but I agree he's a more fluid athlete, possibly due to the wear and tear Embiid has already suffered early in his career.

more fluid embiid

bigger davis

ya'll listening to yourselves?

I am listening to myself, but are you? I am clearly discussing body types/builds not overall ability

[michaelm]

there's a difference between being realistic about Wiseman and being negative, I'm realistic. discussing realistic scenarios for Wiseman's ceiling and how he fits in the modern NBA and more importantly our offense.

if you guys just want this thread to be a pro Wiseman circle jerk just say so.

You have classified him as a positionally locked presumably old style Center, which I am sure is not what they perceive him to be long term or why they drafted him, although I am sure they wouldn’t mind some traditional Center stuff from him currently given their lack of size. They may be wrong, but so might you, both these things have been known to occur.

[Mylie10]

But none of these things are things that any of us should really be surprised about regarding Wiseman. We knew there were going to be players that were gonna impress more than Wiseman right from the gates. We thought it could be players like Hali. And that's what's happening. So what is the surprise here exactly? We knew Wiseman, considering the lack of games he's played outside of high school, might look a lot more green than the others. So again, where is the surprise here?

The thing I'm looking at is the fact that Wiseman's value has not dropped but actually increase since we drafted him. We knew he was going to be a process here and there. So I gotta agree with those who get a little annoyed by some of the people here who feel the need to play Captain Hindsight so early in the season.

Just relax is what I would say to some of the Chicken Little's here. Some of these same people who want to vent about the picks are the same people who have had some bad takes as well.

Unfortunately, there were some ridiculously high and immediate expectations of Wiseman post draft. Seriously, the entire first half of this thread reads like this...Wiseman...yada yada...A.D...Wiseman...yada yada...A.D.

Can you do me a favor and let me know the title of this thread?

[tarantism]

:o

there's a difference between being realistic about Wiseman and being negative, I'm realistic. discussing realistic scenarios for Wiseman's ceiling and how he fits in the modern NBA and more importantly our offense.

if you guys just want this thread to be a pro Wiseman circle jerk just say so.

You have classified him as a positionally locked presumably old style Center, which I am sure is not what they perceive him to be long term or why they drafted him, although I am sure they wouldn’t mind some traditional Center stuff from him currently given their lack of size. They may be wrong, but so might you, both these things have been known to occur.

Let me do some in depth investigation:

Runs the floor like a wing
Comfortable handling on the break
40% on threes

Yep. Sure sounds like a traditional lumbering rim runner to me.

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[Impuniti]

Damn, he's ruled out vs the Magic.. Would be a massive help vs them, may be a nightmare to bring him back 2 weeks after a break vs Harden, KD & Kyrie. Guy is going to practice in fire on his comeback.

[FNQ]

Damn, he's ruled out vs the Magic.. Would be a massive help vs them, may be a nightmare to bring him back 2 weeks after a break vs Harden, KD & Kyrie. Guy is going to practice in fire on his comeback.

Vuc would be a problem / learning experience for him for sure

[xdrta+]

Damn, he's ruled out vs the Magic.. Would be a massive help vs them, may be a nightmare to bring him back 2 weeks after a break vs Harden, KD & Kyrie. Guy is going to practice in fire on his comeback.

Vuc would be a problem / learning experience for him for sure

It will be a bigger problem without him.

[michaelm]

:o

there's a difference between being realistic about Wiseman and being negative, I'm realistic. discussing realistic scenarios for Wiseman's ceiling and how he fits in the modern NBA and more importantly our offense.

if you guys just want this thread to be a pro Wiseman circle jerk just say so.

You have classified him as a positionally locked presumably old style Center, which I am sure is not what they perceive him to be long term or why they drafted him, although I am sure they wouldn’t mind some traditional Center stuff from him currently given their lack of size. They may be wrong, but so might you, both these things have been known to occur.

Let me do some in depth investigation:

Runs the floor like a wing
Comfortable handling on the break
40% on threes

Yep. Sure sounds like a traditional lumbering rim runner to me.

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I admit to being somewhat emotionally invested and have very high long term hopes for him, but pretty much no-one is suggesting he will be at his peak whether or not that is AD as soon as next year, but rather have some expectation he will be a good starting quality NBA Center by then.

Logically I can’t deny the arguments on the other thread, that the coaching staff and FO have underestimated just how good Curry still is/would be this season without Klay, and that GSW might contend strongly with the addition of Beale and a journeyman Center, the answer to which is that they could still make a trade with Wiseman’s trade value having increased if anything as has been said. I don’t think they will trade him though, I believe the organisation is also invested in him and that promises have been made, he appears to have wanted to be drafted by GSW. If Green is high on him which seems to be the case and Curry is also on board that is enough for me however.

[clyde21]

:o

there's a difference between being realistic about Wiseman and being negative, I'm realistic. discussing realistic scenarios for Wiseman's ceiling and how he fits in the modern NBA and more importantly our offense.

if you guys just want this thread to be a pro Wiseman circle jerk just say so.

You have classified him as a positionally locked presumably old style Center, which I am sure is not what they perceive him to be long term or why they drafted him, although I am sure they wouldn’t mind some traditional Center stuff from him currently given their lack of size. They may be wrong, but so might you, both these things have been known to occur.

Let me do some in depth investigation:

Runs the floor like a wing
Comfortable handling on the break
40% on threes

Yep. Sure sounds like a traditional lumbering rim runner to me.

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no he doesn't, and none of these things are actually scalable for him. what are you gonna do, have him run offense for you? you're listing 'nice to haves' and completely forgetting about the bread and butter.

[FNQ]

Out for another week and a half.. I'm telling ya, those wrist sprains are no joke. He finished the game on adrenaline, but yeah.. bad wrist sprain. I'm guessing total time will be a month. And then expect a rough two weeks of shooting when he comes back as well

[HiRez]

I don't like seeing him sidelined, but we're in the midst of one of the best Curry shows we've ever seen and frankly, inserting Wiseman into the lineup could break the spell.

[Impuniti]

I don't like seeing him sidelined, but we're in the midst of one of the best Curry shows we've ever seen and frankly, inserting Wiseman into the lineup could break the spell.

Who says he should automatically start when he's back? Make sure he gets 20-25 mpg, but I don't know if he starts of JTA and Looney when he's back. Looney will be reevaluated by Feb 17 and likely inserted in the starting lineup before Wiseman is back.

[marthafokker]

Dang. Wiseman still not close to returning. Another 7-10 days for another eval.

[wco81]

Offense works better with Draymond playing center, JTA at 4.

Defense may be better as well, though they haven't yet faced centers to exploit them on the boards. Magic played Vuc and Birch together a lot of the times but the rebounds were only 49-46.

Magic were hitting their 3s, which kept the game close.

[tarantism]

Complex NBA motion offense flows better with two vets starting over 19 yo rookie straight out of HS breaking news guys

[FNQ]

I don't like seeing him sidelined, but we're in the midst of one of the best Curry shows we've ever seen and frankly, inserting Wiseman into the lineup could break the spell.

Who says he should automatically start when he's back? Make sure he gets 20-25 mpg, but I don't know if he starts of JTA and Looney when he's back. Looney will be reevaluated by Feb 17 and likely inserted in the starting lineup before Wiseman is back.

Even if Looney wasn't back, his minutes shouldn't go up based on injury opportunity, only based on team performance. If his habits aren't helping the stars of the team, then he doesnt get the minutes. We all want to see him play a ton but the most important thing is growing him *in our system, with our stars* and so far he's played his way out of the starting lineup.

To be expected, but the learning curve needs to unflatten there, or we'll have a very tough decision to make in the offseason

[clyde21]

I don't like seeing him sidelined, but we're in the midst of one of the best Curry shows we've ever seen and frankly, inserting Wiseman into the lineup could break the spell.

the fact that we're scared Wiseman would ruin Steph's and the offense's flow tells you all you need to know about why we need to trade him ASAP before his value loses its shine

i'd rather make a trade a little too early than a little too late.

[clyde21]

Complex NBA motion offense flows better with two vets starting over 19 yo rookie straight out of HS breaking news guys

complex NBA motion offense flows better without a positionally locked center that can't set screens, needs specific plays draw up for him to contribute who also happens to be a terrible rebounder.

you can pass it off as him being a rook all you want (and I'm sure some of it is true) but it doesn't change the facts that we're in 2021 not 1991.

[Onus]

He's probably 2 years away from being a net neutral to positive player. Big men usually take 3-4 years to be good add in the fact that Wiseman is extremely raw we probably won't see him being a true impact player until his 4th year.

[marthafokker]

You don't junk Wiseman when he returns. Could put him with Wanamaker. Not like that lineup does sh#t with Wanamaker anyways.