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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#521 » by ZOMG » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:05 pm

PaKii94 wrote:NOP was mis using lonzo at the beginning of the season. After coming back from injury these are his numbers (17 games, 30mpg):

(p36) 18.4p/5r/6.4a/2.3stocks, 60%TS, 43 3pt% on 9.7 3pa, 2.4 ast/TO%

That would be a really useful player to have for playmaking, shooting, defense. He's still only 23. We could lock him up for his prime for cheap.

I was not a fan of lonzo due to his high school draft hype and his family business but I think he's getting underrated now.


Lonzo is mainly a spot up shooter for the Pels. He brings the ball up and gets those 6.4 assists per game because that's what you get by default if you're a starting NBA point. But when he plays with Ingram, BI is in the Zach role - dribbling around looking for his own shot and doing some playmaking. Ball is Sato - watches passively from the weak side and shoots open 3's from kickouts.

I have nothing against Lonzo. I think he's a good dude and an above average NBA player who's stuck in a situation where he's not really needed, at least not at the price he's set for himself. The Pels are counting on Ingram and Zion to take care of most of the starting lineup ballhandling duties going forward. Lonzo's outside shooting is becoming valuable, but a 6'5'' spot up shooter with zero creation ability in the half court is not a $20 million guy for the Pelicans.

That's what worries me about Ball possibly ending up in Chicago. This team needs a point guard with the ability and inclination to control the game in critical/chaotic situations. And that is exatly what Lonzo lacks. He's just as passive and willing to defer as Sato - just a more willing shooter these days. That kind of "upgrade" is not worth $20 million for the Bulls either.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#522 » by CaPiTanAK » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:22 pm

Lonzo Ball kryptonite has always been shooting. It looks like it’s slowly being corrected to a modern NBA level. Make no mistake. His vision and ball handling have always been elite. His defense is above average. I have no issue signing Lonzo to 22-25 mil per year at this point for 4 years. That will be a steal in 2-4 years.
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Post#523 » by weneeda2guard » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:30 pm

We should not pay lonzo ball who can't even hit free throws 20 mill a year lol

You could just sign ish Smith for 5 mill and get a more reliable option at pg.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#524 » by logical_art » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:34 pm

Lauri and Sato for Lonzo, Hart and the Lakers pick.

Who says no?
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Post#525 » by sco » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:54 pm

logical_art wrote:Lauri and Sato for Lonzo, Hart and the Lakers pick.

Who says no?

Not me, but since Lauri is probably no longer interesting to teams due to his invisibility trick.
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Post#526 » by Repeat 3-peat » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:32 pm

weneeda2guard wrote:We should not pay lonzo ball who can't even hit free throws 20 mill a year lol

You could just sign ish Smith for 5 mill and get a more reliable option at pg.


Lonzo after a slow start has hit 75% from the line this season, 82% his last 10 games.

Also he is shooting 38% from three this season on 7.7 attempts.
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Post#527 » by WindyCityBorn » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:47 pm

CaPiTanAK wrote:Lonzo Ball kryptonite has always been shooting. It looks like it’s slowly being corrected to a modern NBA level. Make no mistake. His vision and ball handling have always been elite. His defense is above average. I have no issue signing Lonzo to 22-25 mil per year at this point for 4 years. That will be a steal in 2-4 years.


**** no. He still can’t shoot. This Ball obsession on here is strange.
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Post#528 » by WindyCityBorn » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:48 pm

logical_art wrote:Lauri and Sato for Lonzo, Hart and the Lakers pick.

Who says no?


Bulls if they have any common sense.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#529 » by WindyCityBorn » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:49 pm

Repeat 3-peat wrote:
weneeda2guard wrote:We should not pay lonzo ball who can't even hit free throws 20 mill a year lol

You could just sign ish Smith for 5 mill and get a more reliable option at pg.


Lonzo after a slow start has hit 75% from the line this season, 82% his last 10 games.

Also he is shooting 38% from three this season on 7.7 attempts.


Yeah and what is his overall shooting percentage? Nice cherry pick stats. 75 percent on what like 2 attempt per game?
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#530 » by Repeat 3-peat » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:04 am

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weneeda2guard wrote:We should not pay lonzo ball who can't even hit free throws 20 mill a year lol

You could just sign ish Smith for 5 mill and get a more reliable option at pg.


Lonzo after a slow start has hit 75% from the line this season, 82% his last 10 games.

Also he is shooting 38% from three this season on 7.7 attempts.


Yeah and what is his overall shooting percentage? Nice cherry pick stats. 75 percent on what like 2 attempt per game?


Yes almost 2 FTA. The post was that Lonzo can't hit free throws, that is clearly wrong. He's improved a lot after hitting an awful 56% from the line last year on the same attempts per game.

Lonzo is now up to 84% at the line in the month of February after today's game vs the Celtics going 3-4.
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Post#531 » by StunnerKO » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:24 am

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Post#532 » by Repeat 3-peat » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:34 am

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Post#533 » by Dez » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:42 am

CaPiTanAK wrote:Lonzo Ball kryptonite has always been shooting. It looks like it’s slowly being corrected to a modern NBA level. Make no mistake. His vision and ball handling have always been elite. His defense is above average. I have no issue signing Lonzo to 22-25 mil per year at this point for 4 years. That will be a steal in 2-4 years.


Lonzo has had more issues than just shooting, running an offense in the half court being the more notable one.
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Post#534 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:09 am

logical_art wrote:Lauri and Sato for Lonzo, Hart and the Lakers pick.

Who says no?


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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#535 » by CaPiTanAK » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:49 am

Dez wrote:
CaPiTanAK wrote:Lonzo Ball kryptonite has always been shooting. It looks like it’s slowly being corrected to a modern NBA level. Make no mistake. His vision and ball handling have always been elite. His defense is above average. I have no issue signing Lonzo to 22-25 mil per year at this point for 4 years. That will be a steal in 2-4 years.


Lonzo has had more issues than just shooting, running an offense in the half court being the more notable one.


Yeah, that's not true. Which part of running an offense in the half court is difficult for Lonzo?
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Post#536 » by Dez » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:23 am

CaPiTanAK wrote:
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CaPiTanAK wrote:Lonzo Ball kryptonite has always been shooting. It looks like it’s slowly being corrected to a modern NBA level. Make no mistake. His vision and ball handling have always been elite. His defense is above average. I have no issue signing Lonzo to 22-25 mil per year at this point for 4 years. That will be a steal in 2-4 years.


Lonzo has had more issues than just shooting, running an offense in the half court being the more notable one.


Yeah, that's not true. Which part of running an offense in the half court is difficult for Lonzo?


What? It's one hundred percent true, it sounds like you haven't watched Lonzo.

Great in transition, he struggles creating in the half-court and it's been one of the main criticisms of him thus far in his career.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#537 » by Nate3carp » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:36 am

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logical_art wrote:Lauri and Sato for Lonzo, Hart and the Lakers pick.

Who says no?


Deal is a slam dunk for the Bulls. Pelicans don’t do that.

Agreed. I don’t think they trade Hart alone for for Lauri-Sato (forgetting salary matching issues), much less a pick and Lonzo.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#538 » by Indomitable » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:56 am

CaPiTanAK wrote:
Dez wrote:
CaPiTanAK wrote:Lonzo Ball kryptonite has always been shooting. It looks like it’s slowly being corrected to a modern NBA level. Make no mistake. His vision and ball handling have always been elite. His defense is above average. I have no issue signing Lonzo to 22-25 mil per year at this point for 4 years. That will be a steal in 2-4 years.


Lonzo has had more issues than just shooting, running an offense in the half court being the more notable one.


Yeah, that's not true. Which part of running an offense in the half court is difficult for Lonzo?

He does struggle in the half court.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#539 » by CaPiTanAK » Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:40 am

Indomitable wrote:
CaPiTanAK wrote:
Dez wrote:
Lonzo has had more issues than just shooting, running an offense in the half court being the more notable one.


Yeah, that's not true. Which part of running an offense in the half court is difficult for Lonzo?

He does struggle in the half court.


Bc of his previous flaw in shooting, which is being improved to NBA averages min now.

Shot creation at the half court requires three things:
1) Shooting touch
2) Ball handling skill
3) Bball IQ and vision

He has 2/3 in spades coming into the league.
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Post#540 » by Indomitable » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:22 am

CaPiTanAK wrote:
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CaPiTanAK wrote:
Yeah, that's not true. Which part of running an offense in the half court is difficult for Lonzo?

He does struggle in the half court.


Bc of his previous flaw in shooting, which is being improved to NBA averages min now.

Shot creation at the half court requires three things:
1) Shooting touch
2) Ball handling skill
3) Bball IQ and vision

He has 2/3 in spades coming into the league.

He has had hot spells in every season. He still not good at running the game in half court.

Why are the Pelicans looking to move him. Stan is a man who would appreciate your 3 qualities.
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