So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[stormi]

Yeah his inability to draw fouls is another fatal flaw.

[whatisacenter]

Warriors fan curious to see if you guys would see a value in a Draymond, Oubre and the Minny 2021 FRP for Simmons and Mike Scott? Oubre has been much better as of late and his 3% has been climbing. Draymond and Embiid front court would be stout defensively.

[Stanford]

Warriors fan curious to see if you guys would see a value in a Draymond, Oubre and the Minny 2021 FRP for Simmons and Mike Scott?

No interest. We give up the most value here and it doesn't solve any of our problems.

(my opinion)

No one is looking to get rid of Simmons for worse players.

[kuclas]

Warriors fan curious to see if you guys would see a value in a Draymond, Oubre and the Minny 2021 FRP for Simmons and Mike Scott? Oubre has been much better as of late and his 3% has been climbing. Draymond and Embiid front court would be stout defensively.

Zero value unless sixers give up on the year

Issue is sixers have no point guard. And trading Simmons for green means losing his ball handling.

Simmons is a better defender than green.

Oubre doesn’t give them the 3 tier scorer they need.

[stormi]

Warriors fan curious to see if you guys would see a value in a Draymond, Oubre and the Minny 2021 FRP for Simmons and Mike Scott? Oubre has been much better as of late and his 3% has been climbing. Draymond and Embiid front court would be stout defensively.

c'mon man lol

[Negrodamus]

Warriors waited too long to trade Draymond. Now they are going to get scraps for him.

[whatisacenter]

Warriors fan curious to see if you guys would see a value in a Draymond, Oubre and the Minny 2021 FRP for Simmons and Mike Scott? Oubre has been much better as of late and his 3% has been climbing. Draymond and Embiid front court would be stout defensively.

Zero value unless sixers give up on the year

Issue is sixers have no point guard. And trading Simmons for green means losing his ball handling.

Simmons is a better defender than green.

Oubre doesn’t give them the 3 tier scorer they need.

how about they throw in a Wannamaker

[the_process]

Warriors fan curious to see if you guys would see a value in a Draymond, Oubre and the Minny 2021 FRP for Simmons and Mike Scott? Oubre has been much better as of late and his 3% has been climbing. Draymond and Embiid front court would be stout defensively.

Not close. Draymond is now bordering negative value, if he hasn't already crossed over.

[Lockdown504090]

Lowry isn't going anywhere IMHO. Raptors started off 2-8, now are 16-15 and climbing. So they are 14-7 since the poor start. They just came off a road trip where they beat the Bucks two games in a row without Lowry, they beat the Nets last time they played. They aren't in sell mode unless they are getting an upgrade, because with another (very important) part they are right back where they were two seasons ago. Right now they are probably good enough to play spoiler in the playoffs, but that's about it. Harden would have been an amazing addition but as we all know the price was too high for most teams.

Seth Curry has the 10th best 3-point percentage in the league. Should be working on plays that get him open more so he can shoot more. That would spread the floor more for Embiid and Simmons.

the raptors front office is divided on trading lowry. Lowry is selling his house in Toronto. He hasnt been in toronto for more than a few days since the nba season was suspended in feb 2020. This season has the most winnable title in years. Lowry plays for my team, but they should go after either lowry or beal before the nets get a chance to solidify their roster and create a dynasty.

Philly just lost becuase of a hard double on jojo. Everyone can do that to them in the playoffs. They need to turn tobias' contract into a player that can perform in big games regardless of position.

Was the loss really because of the double team? Or did it have to do with shooting 29% from 3 and a putrid 38% overall? Because I have a gut feeling the not putting the ball in the basket thing is a pretty big deal...

You miss open shots and you lose games, not that difficult of a formula and that’s what happened to the Sixers. Raptors played solid overall D, but not to the point of those awful shooting #’s from guys with proven track records

Toronto plays postseason defense every night on three point shooters. Embiid has not experienced that this season. That was not a loss due to shooting luck, Toronto is my team and embiid is one of my favourite players so I watch both teams a lot. The raptors have been doing this to teams for three years in the RS. They hard doubled and had five fast guys, lots of length amd bothered people. The plan was to play Simmons 1on1 amd let him eat, but not to let the shooters get involved. They need more shot creation because shake Milton and tyrese maxey may be future all stars, but that day isn’t today, nor will it be this summer

[stormi]

Milton, Harris and Seth Curry (the guys we want to shoot) had wide open looks all night

[youngcrev]

the raptors front office is divided on trading lowry. Lowry is selling his house in Toronto. He hasnt been in toronto for more than a few days since the nba season was suspended in feb 2020. This season has the most winnable title in years. Lowry plays for my team, but they should go after either lowry or beal before the nets get a chance to solidify their roster and create a dynasty.

Philly just lost becuase of a hard double on jojo. Everyone can do that to them in the playoffs. They need to turn tobias' contract into a player that can perform in big games regardless of position.

Was the loss really because of the double team? Or did it have to do with shooting 29% from 3 and a putrid 38% overall? Because I have a gut feeling the not putting the ball in the basket thing is a pretty big deal...

You miss open shots and you lose games, not that difficult of a formula and that’s what happened to the Sixers. Raptors played solid overall D, but not to the point of those awful shooting #’s from guys with proven track records

Toronto plays postseason defense every night on three point shooters. Embiid has not experienced that this season. That was not a loss due to shooting luck, Toronto is my team and embiid is one of my favourite players so I watch both teams a lot. The raptors have been doing this to teams for three years in the RS. They hard doubled and had five fast guys, lots of length amd bothered people. The plan was to play Simmons 1on1 amd let him eat, but not to let the shooters get involved. They need more shot creation because shake Milton and tyrese maxey may be future all stars, but that day isn’t today, nor will it be this summer

The Raptors are good at doubling and scrambling back on rotations which generates a ton of turnovers, but they still give up a ton of 3s with that style of play, particularly in the corners.

The Sixers missed a lot of high value shots, and Embiid and Harris missed a ton of shots that normally drop for them. I'm not trying to discredit the Raptors defense, but shooting luck absolutely played a huge role in the loss.

[Lockdown504090]

Was the loss really because of the double team? Or did it have to do with shooting 29% from 3 and a putrid 38% overall? Because I have a gut feeling the not putting the ball in the basket thing is a pretty big deal...

You miss open shots and you lose games, not that difficult of a formula and that’s what happened to the Sixers. Raptors played solid overall D, but not to the point of those awful shooting #’s from guys with proven track records

Toronto plays postseason defense every night on three point shooters. Embiid has not experienced that this season. That was not a loss due to shooting luck, Toronto is my team and embiid is one of my favourite players so I watch both teams a lot. The raptors have been doing this to teams for three years in the RS. They hard doubled and had five fast guys, lots of length amd bothered people. The plan was to play Simmons 1on1 amd let him eat, but not to let the shooters get involved. They need more shot creation because shake Milton and tyrese maxey may be future all stars, but that day isn’t today, nor will it be this summer

The Raptors are good at doubling and scrambling back on rotations which generates a ton of turnovers, but they still give up a ton of 3s with that style of play, particularly in the corners.

The Sixers missed a lot of high value shots, and Embiid and Harris missed a ton of shots that normally drop for them. I'm not trying to discredit the Raptors defense, but shooting luck absolutely played a huge role in the loss.

given how close the game was, thats fair. seth could have hit two more and won that for them. The issue is that this is the Raptors, we arent that good. What I think they desperately need is somoeone who can get embiid shots close to the basket. Thats why I specifcally would like to see them get beal or lowry. In situations like this, they need a guy who can get up 25 shot attempts and get to the line 9 times despite the team not shooting well. Ill give the example of game 7 in 2019. Kawhi got up 39 of em becuase the team couldnt hit water if they were standing by the ocean. id like to see them use beal like this with jojo and ben being lopez and russ

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[DCasey91]

Milton, Harris and Seth Curry (the guys we want to shoot) had wide open looks all night

But therein lacks the huge problem. With Green too they are non threatening once covered and non elite shooters overall, Curry maybe the exception but he needs setup time can’t buy that. Lillard/Doncic leaves acres of gravity/space around them to fire away.

They peed themselves because Raptors have length, speed and are disclipined. That 4 group is a non scoring/ballhandling/passing threat too, add in Howard/Thybulle who are massive net negative offensive players. You need a Booker type at the very least to offset all of them. Ball movement gets bogged down so much when Ben sits.

Vanvleet, Lowry, Powell, Davis can all function by themselves, 2 aren’t elite but they don’t have to be because they are not totaly dependent on perfect/ideal spots. All 4 can score/shoot/pass/handle/playmake all at varying degrees. Basically what a well rounded guard looks like.

[stormi]

Milton, Harris and Seth Curry (the guys we want to shoot) had wide open looks all night

But therein lacks the huge problem. With Green too they are non threatening once covered and non elite shooters overall, Curry maybe the exception but he needs setup time can’t buy that. Lillard/Doncic leaves acres of gravity/space around them to fire away.

They peed themselves because Raptors have length, speed and are disclipined. That 4 group is a non scoring/ballhandling/passing threat too, add in Howard/Thybulle who are massive net negative offensive players. You need a Booker type at the very least to offset all of them. Ball movement gets bogged down so much when Ben sits.

Vanvleet, Lowry, Powell, Davis can all function by themselves, 2 aren’t elite but they don’t have to be because they are not totaly dependent on perfect/ideal spots. All 4 can score/shoot/pass/handle/playmake all at varying degrees. Basically what a well rounded guard looks like.

I get you, but unfortunately that's how we're set up to play as constructed. That was a playoff simulation game that boiled down to hitting those shots vs. not and that's the way I expect it to go until we acquire a shot creator.

[DCasey91]

Milton, Harris and Seth Curry (the guys we want to shoot) had wide open looks all night

But therein lacks the huge problem. With Green too they are non threatening once covered and non elite shooters overall, Curry maybe the exception but he needs setup time can’t buy that. Lillard/Doncic leaves acres of gravity/space around them to fire away.

They peed themselves because Raptors have length, speed and are disclipined. That 4 group is a non scoring/ballhandling/passing threat too, add in Howard/Thybulle who are massive net negative offensive players. You need a Booker type at the very least to offset all of them. Ball movement gets bogged down so much when Ben sits.

Vanvleet, Lowry, Powell, Davis can all function by themselves, 2 aren’t elite but they don’t have to be because they are not totaly dependent on perfect/ideal spots. All 4 can score/shoot/pass/handle/playmake all at varying degrees. Basically what a well rounded guard looks like.

I get you, but unfortunately that's how we're set up to play as constructed. That was a playoff simulation game that boiled down to hitting those shots vs. not and that's the way I expect it to go until we acquire a shot creator.

Yeah don’t worry my man that’s how the situation is atm. We do have Ben potentially make that next step which can be a big positive down the line.

Do you think Morey will swing for the fences for a big trade? Or go down down the road of smaller moves to bolster our position this year and moving forward?

[stormi]

But therein lacks the huge problem. With Green too they are non threatening once covered and non elite shooters overall, Curry maybe the exception but he needs setup time can’t buy that. Lillard/Doncic leaves acres of gravity/space around them to fire away.

They peed themselves because Raptors have length, speed and are disclipined. That 4 group is a non scoring/ballhandling/passing threat too, add in Howard/Thybulle who are massive net negative offensive players. You need a Booker type at the very least to offset all of them. Ball movement gets bogged down so much when Ben sits.

Vanvleet, Lowry, Powell, Davis can all function by themselves, 2 aren’t elite but they don’t have to be because they are not totaly dependent on perfect/ideal spots. All 4 can score/shoot/pass/handle/playmake all at varying degrees. Basically what a well rounded guard looks like.

I get you, but unfortunately that's how we're set up to play as constructed. That was a playoff simulation game that boiled down to hitting those shots vs. not and that's the way I expect it to go until we acquire a shot creator.

Yeah don’t worry my man that’s how the situation is atm. We do have Ben potentially make that next step which can be a big positive down the line.

Do you think Morey will swing for the fences for a big trade? Or go down down the road of smaller moves to bolster our position this year and moving forward?

It's a boring answer, but I do think Morey is very interested in making a marquee move. He probably realizes the risk of wasting any of Embiid's prime years, but his approach for a target that isn't a game changing superstar is much less aggressive and more calculated. I feel that he won't be pressured into a bidding war for a guy like Lowry or Lavine and if the price exceeds what he's comfortable with, and he's totally fine maintaining all of his assets and waiting for the offseason to pick out his ideal move.

[spikeslovechild]

Warriors waited too long to trade Draymond. Now they are going to get scraps for him.

His contract has massive negative value who would trade anything for him at this point?

[youngcrev]

Could we get some assets out of Houston to take Eric Gordon? Hate the length of the deal, his age and his injury history... but he's looked pretty good this year and has a skill set as a scorer could help. When he's right, he's a bowling ball on drives, and while his percentages from 3 aren't great, he certainly has no problem taking them (and from like 4 feet beyond the line).

I like him and Shake as a backcourt duo off the bench.

[Murray_17]

The Lakers waived Quinn Cook, so maybe we can use the shooting? not that is anything spectacular but for the minimum we could get another spot shooter guy.

[Kobblehead]

Could we get some assets out of Houston to take Eric Gordon?

I wouldn't think so. The figure isn't too bad and Gordon is viewed as a generally desirable player. I'd imagine they'd be able to get assets for him through trade. The only player they'd have to attach assets to move is Wall, IMO.

The final year of Gordon's deal isn't guaranteed so I could see them riding it out and just letting Wall and Gordon come off the books the same summer.