SF_Warriors wrote:I do think gobert should be considered to be an all star. His defensive impact is near transcendant, elite rim protection and rebounding..you cant say that about any part of van vleets game although he is basically giving all star impact or at least close to it.
It would seem Capela is giving similar, albeit lesser, defensive impact to Gobert. Their stats are almost identical. Other than mins played and team wins, it feels silly to say Gobert should be considered and Capela shouldn't when they're essentially providing the same things.
I agree there is no transcendent piece to VanVleet's game. He's just a do-it-all, under-the-radar impact guy. He's exactly like Lowry was, and like Lowry it's probably going to take years worth of winning and dominating advanced stats for people to finally give him credit, and many still won't because he's never going to dominate the box score.
My point is that jist because someone has a higher raptor and war, doesnt necessarily mean they are a better player..would I take capela over bam adebayo who has a lower raptor and war? Probably not.
Van vleet has a higher raptor and war than giannis but no one would tell you they would choose fvv because of those numbers.
I'd take Adebayo over Capela too. Like I said, it's not perfect. But it's also interesting that a lot of these advanced stats don't like Bam as much as the box score and eye test do. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player, but it might mean his in game impact is a bit overstated (and Capela's understated).
Also, I think it's important to use more than one plus/minus metric like I did. Giannis graded out higher in RPM and LEBRON. That doesn't mean those ones are better, but they might have a better read on Giannis vs. VanVleet. RAPTOR is likely better for a bunch of other dudes. Average them out and you probably have something close to the right answer. But the point of the exercise was to demonstrate that VanVleet is clearly adding value that his box score isn't capturing whereas Lavine's box score is likely over-representing his value to a significant degree. Have to look at all the evidence.
