Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Washington won this trade.
Disagree.
Perhaps we didn't lose in this trade but I don't see how we "won" it either.
Imo, it was a pointless trade.
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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Washington won this trade.
NatP4 wrote:In the end, we basically gave up a 1st round pick for the intangibles that Westbrook brings to the team. We aren’t going to win a championship in the next couple of years, and we weren’t going to with Wall either.
nate33 wrote:NatP4 wrote:In the end, we basically gave up a 1st round pick for the intangibles that Westbrook brings to the team. We aren’t going to win a championship in the next couple of years, and we weren’t going to with Wall either.
I agree.
The only confounding factor is Beal's impending free agency. If Westbrook's intangibles add a few more wins while instilling a better team attitude of hard work and accountability, that could be what convinces Beal to stay. I have to admit, I like the demeanor of the team over these last 12 games more than I liked it in the first half of 2018-19 when Wall was playing but the team was losing and everyone got excited about "everyone eats" after Wall got hurt.
Wizardspride wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Washington won this trade.
Disagree.
Perhaps we didn't lose in this trade but I don't see how we "won" it either.
Imo, it was a pointless trade.
pcbothwel wrote:Wiz were always going to be Walls team. Dwight in Orlando. Rose with the Bulls. AD in NOP. Harden in Houston. Russ in OKC. Once a player is the face of the franchise, there is really no moving past it. Russ could never take a backseat in OKC, but he can here.
Ruzious wrote:Hmm, Wall for Kemba works in the trade checker. Both have 2 more years left. Houston would save money. Boston would get a dynamic player... to pass to Bertans.
Ruzious wrote:Hmm, Wall for Kemba works in the trade checker. Both have 2 more years left. Houston would save money. Boston would get a dynamic player... to pass to Bertans.
Ruzious wrote:And everyone's buying into playing defense for the first time in I don't know when. They certainly weren't doing that earlier in the season. I'm not sure who deserves the credit for that improvement - or if it will continue, but I like it. I think it started with Westbrook getting healthy.
doclinkin wrote:Ruzious wrote:And everyone's buying into playing defense for the first time in I don't know when. They certainly weren't doing that earlier in the season. I'm not sure who deserves the credit for that improvement - or if it will continue, but I like it. I think it started with Westbrook getting healthy.
I credit Hachimura for growing into his role as a 5-spot defender. He no longer worries if he is in the right place, he picks his match-up and gets after it. When you don't need to switch the perimeter every play then your big can stay at home to cover the lane on P&R plays (Lopez can be giant and not need to chase. Wagner can shift into positon for charges). One solid defender can make offenses shade away from that side of the court and suddenly there is time to recover to get in the lane and deter interior attacks. And if offenses are only attacking one side, then half the players on court are no longer a threat.
I also give credit to our center tandem of Lopez (in particular) and Wagner who are not the liability on D that Bryant has been.
pcbothwel wrote:Wizardspride wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Washington won this trade.
Disagree.
Perhaps we didn't lose in this trade but I don't see how we "won" it either.
Imo, it was a pointless trade.
Wiz were always going to be Walls team. Dwight in Orlando. Rose with the Bulls. AD in NOP. Harden in Houston. Russ in OKC.
Once a player is the face of the franchise, there is really no moving past it. Russ could never take a backseat in OKC, but he can here.
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Wizardspride wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Washington won this trade.
Disagree.
Perhaps we didn't lose in this trade but I don't see how we "won" it either.
Imo, it was a pointless trade.
lastemp3ror wrote:pcbothwel wrote:Wizardspride wrote:Disagree.
Perhaps we didn't lose in this trade but I don't see how we "won" it either.
Imo, it was a pointless trade.
Wiz were always going to be Walls team. Dwight in Orlando. Rose with the Bulls. AD in NOP. Harden in Houston. Russ in OKC.
Once a player is the face of the franchise, there is really no moving past it. Russ could never take a backseat in OKC, but he can here.
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Agreed. The best example is Wade with Miami when James and Bosh joined him. Clearly James was the best player on that team and in the NBA for that matter, but it was still Wade's team.
lastemp3ror wrote:There is a lot of talk about comparison stats between Westbrook and Wall, which is a discussion of present value. But what about future value? As an example, another major factor is their injury risk. It is more likely that Wall goes down for a serious chunk of time, based on historical knowledge of other players with similar injuries. He may not even return to playing professionally. It seems like a lot of people on this board are not factoring that in, which is a MAJOR concern with Wall. I know Westbrook hasn't had the best health either, but between the two, give me Westbrook all day.
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:John Wall had been doing things with what I felt was dubious leadership. Entitlement was what I think he felt. Westbrook plays HARD even if reckless.