NBA Trade Thread # 3

[Hugi Mancura]

I know for sure that he won't be traded and Marc gets hung up on, but I'd honestly call Detroit about Jerami Grant. They aren't going anywhere.

I don't see Detroit having any reason to move him though. He's their only bright spot this season and they have him for two more years at a bargain. I would gladly take on Griffin's deal if they put Grant on the table as well.

I think the real trade to make with Detroit is to take on Griffin's contract if they'll attach a first, a swap, or Saddiq Bey to get rid of him. Griffin's contract pushes the cap space from Otto's expiring back a year which can be used to match salary in a trade for any star player that might become available next season or this off-season.

Why would Detroit trade Griffin? Are they going to need cap space next summer? No, so his huge salary doesn't mean anything to them. If someone takes Griffin without them paying anything (like picks or young players) then they can trade him, but they are not giving anything of value and especially nothing that might harm their future. So to get Grant Bulls pretty much must give Williams to the other way and probably needs to add first pick with it. Lauri is RFA so his trade value right now is low. If someone gets him in a trade they must fight to sign him in the summer. It's much easier to wait until summer and try to sign him then. WCJ and Coby have some trade value to rebuilding teams, but not enough to get Grant.

[Hugi Mancura]

Ainge sounds like he wants to make a trade.

“We’re playing terribly. We don’t have a good enough team, in my opinion.

We’ll see if we can make any changes. I’m not looking to just do something for the sake of doing something, but I am looking to do something that can make a difference on our team.”

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“We’ve been close a couple times,” Ainge said in regards to potential trades. “It’s rare that trades get done [not close] to the deadline. We’re talking and we’re trying to do some things… Time will tell.”

Ainge hinted at the kind of player the Celtics may be looking for on the trade market, saying that Boston needs to “surround them [Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown] with more scoring off the bench.”

Harrison Barnes & Aaron Gordon were brought up as speculation, I wonder if Lauri would also fit in that group. Less health, but more long term potential. Lauri's TS% is higher than either guy, even Barnes.

Can’t wait for all the stories about how close Ainge came to make a big deal again!

(Seriously though, this time he has to do something. You don’t say your team isn’t good enough and do nothing.)

I think he might want to do something, but I think players he wants to move are Kemba, Thompson and Teague. They most likely would be willing to throw in some youngsters whose name ain't Smart, Tatum, Brown or Theis (I think they might even trade Pritchard if price is right). So who ever is going to do trades with them should ask themselves is any of the old guys worthy enough. And I think most teams say 'No they are not worthy enough', so I wouldn't be surprised if they can't find trading partners.

Or they just use the huge trade exception and use that to get some good players. This is more likely than bigger trade.

[othawhitemeat]

How about Lauri and filler for Myles Turner? Pacers struggle w playing both Turner and Sabonos and Lauri gives them a stretch 4 while we get a good defensive center that can shoot a little. If they dont want Lauri they can just not re-sign while getting rid of Turners contract they dont want.

[NocioniHomie]

***From Kings Board

I proposed Otto Porter Jr. and lottery protected 1rst. Or Otto Porter + Lauri Markannen for Barnes + filler. OPJ is expiring and many Bulls fans aren't looking to pay Lauri.

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Interesting. I don't think we pay Lauri either although that value seems really good. The lotto protected pick could be interesting. But I wouldn't bet on the Heat/Celtics missing the playoffs. So that leaves me to question if the Bulls could beat out the Hornets/Knicks for the last spot. With Barnes I think they could.

Id do Barnes/Parker for Porter + Lotto Protected 1st.

Or

3 team trade routing Lauri elsewhere. Not sure whats the market for Lauri or who could use him is the only issue. If he could fetch a semi decent guy/prospect like Dort, Miles Bridges, Bamba who made more sense for Sac then id do it.[/quote]

[gobullschi]

***From Kings Board

I proposed Otto Porter Jr. and lottery protected 1rst. Or Otto Porter + Lauri Markannen for Barnes + filler. OPJ is expiring and many Bulls fans aren't looking to pay Lauri.

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Interesting. I don't think we pay Lauri either although that value seems really good. The lotto protected pick could be interesting. But I wouldn't bet on the Heat/Celtics missing the playoffs. So that leaves me to question if the Bulls could beat out the Hornets/Knicks for the last spot. With Barnes I think they could.

Id do Barnes/Parker for Porter + Lotto Protected 1st.

Or

3 team trade routing Lauri elsewhere. Not sure whats the market for Lauri or who could use him is the only issue. If he could fetch a semi decent guy/prospect like Dort, Miles Bridges, Bamba who made more sense for Sac then id do it.

OPJ & 2021 1st (lotto protected) for Barnes/Parker.
Sign Lonzo Ball
Extend Markkanen

Lonzo Ball / Coby White
Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Harrison Barnes / Patrick Williams
Lauri Markkanen / Patrick Williams
Wendell Carter Jr. / Daniel Gafford

It’s a group that has potential to develop into a contender with proper player development, or packaged together with multiple 1sts in a bigger package down the road for a star.

[Dan Z]

I suggested this in the game thread but, what about a smaller trade for someone like Robin Lopez (or a similar player)? That way we'll have a player with size who can defend opposing bigs when Wendell is struggling.

I'd prefer the Bulls get someone like Vucevic, but he will cost more and I'm not sure if Orlando is willing to trade him.

[RSP83]

Would you take on Kevin Love's contract for a trade that get us Darius Garland in return?

Lauri + OPJ for Love + Garland checks out the ESPN trade machine.

Why for Cavs:
- A chance to dump Love's contract. OPJ contract expires they have cap space to build through FA this off-season.
- In Lauri, they get a stretch 4 in return that is younger than Love and complementary player to Jarrett Allen.
- Cavs looking like a top 3 lottery team, they can use it to select Cade or Suggs to replace Garland

Why for Bulls:
- Garland is a solid young point guard, who is more fit as future starting PG than Coby. But I have to admit his injury history scares me a bit. But otherwise I like his talent, especially as potential future PG of this franchise.
- Coby leads the 2nd unit with Sato, frees up Coby to focus on scoring off the ball
- With us in the playoff hunt this year and next year, if he can do proper load Management on him, we may still be able to get good production from him. Last year he still put up close to 18-10. We need more veterans, especially bigs, on this team to help Zach. We've been playing without Porter and Lauri during our Last 10 game run anyway. Although I understand why people think this is a bad idea. I'm banking on Love can stay relatively healthy (OPJ and Lauri never play full season anyway), probably a return after the All-Star break, 1 healthy season next year, and the year after that we can try to trade his expiring contract.

Garland / Sato / Arci
Lavine / White / Valentine
P. Williams / Temple
Thad Young / Love
Wendell / MLE C from FA

[CaPiTanAK]

I would do WCJ and OPJ for Love and Darius Garland.

[sco]

Would you take on Kevin Love's contract for a trade that get us Darius Garland in return?

Lauri + OPJ for Love + Garland checks out the ESPN trade machine.

Why for Cavs:
- A chance to dump Love's contract. OPJ contract expires they have cap space to build through FA this off-season.
- In Lauri, they get a stretch 4 in return that is younger than Love and complementary player to Jarrett Allen.
- Cavs looking like a top 3 lottery team, they can use it to select Cade or Suggs to replace Garland

Why for Bulls:
- Garland is a solid young point guard, who is more fit as future starting PG than Coby. But I have to admit his injury history scares me a bit. But otherwise I like his talent, especially as potential future PG of this franchise.
- Coby leads the 2nd unit with Sato, frees up Coby to focus on scoring off the ball
- With us in the playoff hunt this year and next year, if he can do proper load Management on him, we may still be able to get good production from him. Last year he still put up close to 18-10. We need more veterans, especially bigs, on this team to help Zach. We've been playing without Porter and Lauri during our Last 10 game run anyway. Although I understand why people think this is a bad idea. I'm banking on Love can stay relatively healthy (OPJ and Lauri never play full season anyway), probably a return after the All-Star break, 1 healthy season next year, and the year after that we can try to trade his expiring contract.

Garland / Sato / Arci
Lavine / White / Valentine
P. Williams / Temple
Thad Young / Love
Wendell / MLE C from FA

I'm on the mind that doing anything that gets us anyone potentially useful for Lauri at this point is saving the organization from the next Otto. That said, not a huge Garland fan, seems to be a bad shooter, but I'd still do it.

[qianlong]

Low profile move: Porter and a second for Drummond. They Can get hutch if they prefer.

Alternative: felicio, kornet and White for M. Turner. They get a young prospect to spread the floor we get a better center. It would be idealif we could manage to get Brogdon but they for sure want to keep him.

In the second trade we still have wcj to trade for a pg.

[RSP83]

I would do WCJ and OPJ for Love and Darius Garland.

But that means we have huge chunk of cap space eaten up by Lauri (we have to extend him, and it's not going to be cheap) and Love is redundant also eating into our cap space. Wendell is still on his rookie contract, so no urgency to deal him immediately. Although if the right offer comes along, I'd jump on it. But in this trade scenario, I don't think having both Love and Lauri on our team is the right thing to do. It doesn't make sense cap-wise and basketball-wise.

[weneeda2guard]

I would do WCJ and OPJ for Love and Darius Garland.

But that means we have huge chunk of cap space eaten up by Lauri (we have to extend him, and it's not going to be cheap) and Love is redundant also eating into our cap space. Wendell is still on his rookie contract, so no urgency to deal him immediately. Although if the right offer comes along, I'd jump on it. But in this trade scenario, I don't think having both Love and Lauri on our team is the right thing to do. It doesn't make sense cap-wise and basketball-wise.

The right package should be lauri and opj for love and garland, but it's truly people here no matter how often injured Lauri is with the hopes we hang on to him and he become a star. We have had 4 years to evaluate lauri. He is what he is. Brittle and inconsistent.

Lauri and opj for love and garland makes a lot of sense for both sides

Cleveland gets a prospect to look at for the remainder of the year and gets love contract off their books

We get a playmaking guard we desperately need and a big who can rebound and score inside. Love also can make plays from the post which donovan likes.

[LateNight]

Id do Barnes/Parker for Porter + Lotto Protected 1st.

Or

3 team trade routing Lauri elsewhere. Not sure whats the market for Lauri or who could use him is the only issue. If he could fetch a semi decent guy/prospect like Dort, Miles Bridges, Bamba who made more sense for Sac then id do it.

...Jabari Parker? No thanks - we're good.

I guess Barnes could be interesting, but if Lauri can get someone like Dort or Bridges, I'd be more interested in exploring those trades and cut the kings out entirely

[ChettheJet]

Would you take on Kevin Love's contract for a trade that get us Darius Garland in return?

Lauri + OPJ for Love + Garland checks out the ESPN trade machine.

Why for Cavs:
- A chance to dump Love's contract. OPJ contract expires they have cap space to build through FA this off-season.
- In Lauri, they get a stretch 4 in return that is younger than Love and complementary player to Jarrett Allen.
- Cavs looking like a top 3 lottery team, they can use it to select Cade or Suggs to replace Garland

Why for Bulls:
- Garland is a solid young point guard, who is more fit as future starting PG than Coby. But I have to admit his injury history scares me a bit. But otherwise I like his talent, especially as potential future PG of this franchise.
- Coby leads the 2nd unit with Sato, frees up Coby to focus on scoring off the ball
- With us in the playoff hunt this year and next year, if he can do proper load Management on him, we may still be able to get good production from him. Last year he still put up close to 18-10. We need more veterans, especially bigs, on this team to help Zach. We've been playing without Porter and Lauri during our Last 10 game run anyway. Although I understand why people think this is a bad idea. I'm banking on Love can stay relatively healthy (OPJ and Lauri never play full season anyway), probably a return after the All-Star break, 1 healthy season next year, and the year after that we can try to trade his expiring contract.

Garland / Sato / Arci
Lavine / White / Valentine
P. Williams / Temple
Thad Young / Love
Wendell / MLE C from FA

I'm in with that. I'm not even afraid of Garland being injury prone if we keep Satoransky. The four of them can really play in any pairing so if one is injured for a week or 10 days the other three just play more minutes. Love starts over Young and you work out the rotation so Love and Young pair up with White, Valentine and Satoransky as the second unit. I look at Valentine behind Williams ahead of Temple. Love and Young play inside outside at the 4-5 depending on how the play develops. For that reason I'd be willing to listen to offers for Gafford or let him work on his shooting and see if he can work his way back into the rotation.

[Dan Z]

Would you take on Kevin Love's contract for a trade that get us Darius Garland in return?

Lauri + OPJ for Love + Garland checks out the ESPN trade machine.

Why for Cavs:
- A chance to dump Love's contract. OPJ contract expires they have cap space to build through FA this off-season.
- In Lauri, they get a stretch 4 in return that is younger than Love and complementary player to Jarrett Allen.
- Cavs looking like a top 3 lottery team, they can use it to select Cade or Suggs to replace Garland

Why for Bulls:
- Garland is a solid young point guard, who is more fit as future starting PG than Coby. But I have to admit his injury history scares me a bit. But otherwise I like his talent, especially as potential future PG of this franchise.
- Coby leads the 2nd unit with Sato, frees up Coby to focus on scoring off the ball
- With us in the playoff hunt this year and next year, if he can do proper load Management on him, we may still be able to get good production from him. Last year he still put up close to 18-10. We need more veterans, especially bigs, on this team to help Zach. We've been playing without Porter and Lauri during our Last 10 game run anyway. Although I understand why people think this is a bad idea. I'm banking on Love can stay relatively healthy (OPJ and Lauri never play full season anyway), probably a return after the All-Star break, 1 healthy season next year, and the year after that we can try to trade his expiring contract.

Garland / Sato / Arci
Lavine / White / Valentine
P. Williams / Temple
Thad Young / Love
Wendell / MLE C from FA

Count me down as no for Love. I don't trust his health going forward and he still has two more years on his contract after this one.

Darius Garland is a promising young player, but he's not enough for me to do this deal.

[MrSparkle]

Carter & Hutchison for Baynes & Raptors FRP (proj. 17-21)

Lauri, Valentine, Gafford for Dinwiddie, Tyler Johnson, Nets FRP (proj. 25-29)

I know it's hard selling GarPax's 1st rd. golden boys for a few broken assets, but TBH, the idea of hitting the summer with a recovered Dinwiddie and two more picks is more appealing than spending $50m in cap-space on guys who are bottom-ranked at their positions. Add it up with Lauri's hypothetical 15-20m extension and we've got almost 50m devoted to this farm next year.

You can use those late FRPs to dangle in a S&T if there's a RFA we want.

[sco]

Carter & Hutchison for Baynes & Raptors FRP (proj. 17-21)

Lauri, Valentine, Gafford for Dinwiddie, Tyler Johnson, Nets FRP (proj. 25-29)

I know it's hard selling GarPax's 1st rd. golden boys for a few broken assets, but TBH, the idea of hitting the summer with a recovered Dinwiddie and two more picks is more appealing than spending $50m in cap-space on guys who are bottom-ranked at their positions. Add it up with Lauri's hypothetical 15-20m extension and we've got almost 50m devoted to this farm next year.

You can use those late FRPs to dangle in a S&T if there's a RFA we want.

I'm doubting you get a FRP and Dinwiddie for that trio.

If you throw in Otto for Drummond too, then I think we'd be in good shape.

[d boy gentleman]

OPJ & Kornet

for

Barnes, Whiteside and Bjelica

[gobullschi]

I'm not sure what the price tag would be for Mo Bamba, but he isn't getting any playing time behind Vucevic. He's a guy with enough upside that he'd be worth taking a try on, especially since WCJ has struggled to stay healthy.

I wonder if a package of Chandler Hutchison + Daniel Gafford + 2nd Round Pick would be enough.

[jwaight83]

Please no. Simmons hasn't really become a better player. Lavine has big time even on D. Simmons is the most overrated player in the league IMO.