The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

[Dalek]

I know Toronto likes to see players who work extremely hard at their craft and show progression. I have been tracking Jordan Schakel almost by accident watching Matt Mitchell, the prospect I had bee following last year, and I and I am blown away by Schakel's improvement.

He is at 47% from the field, 45% from three and 89% FT. He has had a steady sort of numbers from year to year but he has increased his volume this season and is now averaging 14 PPG.

He plays on the San Diego Aztecs, the same team that Flynn came from, and if you know them they play tough defense. I see Schakel like a Desmond Bane or Landry Shamet or Joe Harris type. He measures out at 6'6" and is the Aztecs best perimeter defender and best shooter.

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Came across an article on the guy that kind of paints a picture of his work ethic.

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There were running workouts at whatever local high school track was open. He borrowed his father’s mountain bike and rode up hills. He dribbled for an hour every day in the garage. He typed “cinder blocks and broomsticks and weightlifting” into a YouTube search.

“At one point,” Stefanie says, “he almost got a bucket from Home Depot to try to figure out how to make weights from cement mix.”

One day, he did 500 squats and 200 pushups, just because.

He grew out his hair and beard.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2020-12-16/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-jordan-schakel-workouts-p90x-garage-dribbling-cinder-blocks

[BoyzNTheHood]

I think we had a deal in place for Giannis prior to the Thunder taking Adams. Rob Babcock refused to move our two picks to move up flat out.

Masai was the GM during the Giannis draft.

Sorry, my phrasing was bad. Babcock refused to trade up for Paul or Deron. Portland wanted picks 7 and 16 from us, but they settled for 6 and 27 from Utah instead cause Babcock wouldn't budge.

RIP to Rob Babcock but he was as horrible as a GM gets. His 1.5 years in charge set us back 10 years. Sometimes I wonder how hiring Dr. J would have looked, it couldn't have been much worse.

Araujo over Iguodala, Miralles over Ariza, VC for scraps, then had a chance to make the VC trade respectable by taking Danny Granger but he picked Joey Graham, Ukic over Lou Will, his biggest free agent signings were Jose Calderon, Rafer Alston and Loren Woods

[Mark_83]

Masai was the GM during the Giannis draft.

Sorry, my phrasing was bad. Babcock refused to trade up for Paul or Deron. Portland wanted picks 7 and 16 from us, but they settled for 6 and 27 from Utah instead cause Babcock wouldn't budge.

RIP to Rob Babcock but he was as horrible as a GM gets. His 1.5 years in charge set us back 10 years. Sometimes I wonder how hiring Dr. J would have looked, it couldn't have been much worse.

Araujo over Iguodala, Miralles over Ariza, VC for scraps, then had a chance to make the VC trade respectable by taking Danny Granger but he picked Joey Graham, Ukic over Lou Will, his biggest free agent signings were Jose Calderon, Rafer Alston and Loren Woods

Agreed. Babcock might be one of the worst GMs in NBA history. In his defense on Granger, apparently Granger didn't want to play here and let it be known.

[Psubs]

I know Toronto likes to see players who work extremely hard at their craft and show progression. I have been tracking Jordan Schakel almost by accident watching Matt Mitchell, the prospect I had bee following last year, and I and I am blown away by Schakel's improvement.

He is at 47% from the field, 45% from three and 89% FT. He has had a steady sort of numbers from year to year but he has increased his volume this season and is now averaging 14 PPG.

He plays on the San Diego Aztecs, the same team that Flynn came from, and if you know them they play tough defense. I see Schakel like a Desmond Bane or Landry Shamet or Joe Harris type. He measures out at 6'6" and is the Aztecs best perimeter defender and best shooter.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=NextOnes

Read on Twitter

?s=20

Came across an article on the guy that kind of paints a picture of his work ethic.

Spoiler:

There were running workouts at whatever local high school track was open. He borrowed his father’s mountain bike and rode up hills. He dribbled for an hour every day in the garage. He typed “cinder blocks and broomsticks and weightlifting” into a YouTube search.

“At one point,” Stefanie says, “he almost got a bucket from Home Depot to try to figure out how to make weights from cement mix.”

One day, he did 500 squats and 200 pushups, just because.

He grew out his hair and beard.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2020-12-16/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-jordan-schakel-workouts-p90x-garage-dribbling-cinder-blocks

He'd be a nice luxury to have if they traded away Matt Thomas, but the Raptors have way to many SG's. He's not so athletic to maybe he doesn't get drafted and gets a camp invite from Malachi.

[Dalek]

I know Toronto likes to see players who work extremely hard at their craft and show progression. I have been tracking Jordan Schakel almost by accident watching Matt Mitchell, the prospect I had bee following last year, and I and I am blown away by Schakel's improvement.

He is at 47% from the field, 45% from three and 89% FT. He has had a steady sort of numbers from year to year but he has increased his volume this season and is now averaging 14 PPG.

He plays on the San Diego Aztecs, the same team that Flynn came from, and if you know them they play tough defense. I see Schakel like a Desmond Bane or Landry Shamet or Joe Harris type. He measures out at 6'6" and is the Aztecs best perimeter defender and best shooter.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=NextOnes

Read on Twitter

?s=20

Came across an article on the guy that kind of paints a picture of his work ethic.

Spoiler:

There were running workouts at whatever local high school track was open. He borrowed his father’s mountain bike and rode up hills. He dribbled for an hour every day in the garage. He typed “cinder blocks and broomsticks and weightlifting” into a YouTube search.

“At one point,” Stefanie says, “he almost got a bucket from Home Depot to try to figure out how to make weights from cement mix.”

One day, he did 500 squats and 200 pushups, just because.

He grew out his hair and beard.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2020-12-16/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-jordan-schakel-workouts-p90x-garage-dribbling-cinder-blocks

He'd be a nice luxury to have if they traded away Matt Thomas, but the Raptors have way to many SG's. He's not so athletic to maybe he doesn't get drafted and gets a camp invite from Malachi.

I don't know where he stands in this draft, likely a second rounder, but we have seen guys like Joe Harris, Landry Shamet and most recently Desmond Bane get drafted and be high level role players. All are okay athletes that I think Schakel compares to.

In this draft Corey Kispert is considered by many as a first rounder, yet he has made 2 less threes than Schakel. Kispert does score more points but he does benefit by playing with two high level PGs and a weaker conference. Schakel is a better defender, has a low turnover rate and rebounds well for his size. To me, he might be better than Kispert.

[Psubs]

I know Toronto likes to see players who work extremely hard at their craft and show progression. I have been tracking Jordan Schakel almost by accident watching Matt Mitchell, the prospect I had bee following last year, and I and I am blown away by Schakel's improvement.

He is at 47% from the field, 45% from three and 89% FT. He has had a steady sort of numbers from year to year but he has increased his volume this season and is now averaging 14 PPG.

He plays on the San Diego Aztecs, the same team that Flynn came from, and if you know them they play tough defense. I see Schakel like a Desmond Bane or Landry Shamet or Joe Harris type. He measures out at 6'6" and is the Aztecs best perimeter defender and best shooter.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=NextOnes

Read on Twitter

?s=20

Came across an article on the guy that kind of paints a picture of his work ethic.

Spoiler:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2020-12-16/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-jordan-schakel-workouts-p90x-garage-dribbling-cinder-blocks

He'd be a nice luxury to have if they traded away Matt Thomas, but the Raptors have way to many SG's. He's not so athletic to maybe he doesn't get drafted and gets a camp invite from Malachi.

I don't know where he stands in this draft, likely a second rounder, but we have seen guys like Joe Harris, Landry Shamet and most recently Desmond Bane get drafted and be high level role players. All are okay athletes that I think Schakel compares to.

In this draft Corey Kispert is considered by many as a first rounder, yet he has made 2 less threes than Schakel. Kispert does score more points but he does benefit by playing with two high level PGs and a weaker conference. Schakel is a better defender, has a low turnover rate and rebounds well for his size. To me, he might be better than Kispert.

CJ Elleby was drafted #46 last year and Sam Merrill was taken #60. I think he'd be taken between that or even go undrafted.

[Prestige]

Best to delete this one and use a regular draft thread. This team couldn’t tank if their life depended on it. We’ll be drafting mid first round.

[Syd-TK3]

Give me Kai Jones

[Indeed]

He'd be a nice luxury to have if they traded away Matt Thomas, but the Raptors have way to many SG's. He's not so athletic to maybe he doesn't get drafted and gets a camp invite from Malachi.

I don't know where he stands in this draft, likely a second rounder, but we have seen guys like Joe Harris, Landry Shamet and most recently Desmond Bane get drafted and be high level role players. All are okay athletes that I think Schakel compares to.

In this draft Corey Kispert is considered by many as a first rounder, yet he has made 2 less threes than Schakel. Kispert does score more points but he does benefit by playing with two high level PGs and a weaker conference. Schakel is a better defender, has a low turnover rate and rebounds well for his size. To me, he might be better than Kispert.

CJ Elleby was drafted #46 last year and Sam Merrill was taken #60. I think he'd be taken between that or even go undrafted.

I think he will be below Elleby and Merrill. Those highlights do not have any pull up 3 shown, so he looks like a station shooter at best (taking 3s from someone who created for him, instead of Elleby who can dribble and take pull up 3s), and may not have a way to counter close out. And since we don't have a second round pick, so I don't see we are taking him any where.

[Indeed]

Best to delete this one and use a regular draft thread. This team couldn’t tank if their life depended on it. We’ll be drafting mid first round.

I think a mod should start a new thread, and this one can be discussed about other prospects above (or outside) our reach.

[Psubs]

Jalen Green has been outplaying Kuminga lately. The Ignite are just bad defensively. Suggs hasn't been playing as well, lately, either.

1. Cunningham
2. Mobley
3. Jalen Green
4. Kuminga
5. Suggs

[Psubs]

Is Cade a slightly less athletic Jayson Tatum?

He does pass the ball more but does turn the ball over more. They both have more turnovers than assists in their only seasons in college.

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Raptors just have to miss the playoffs and David Silver will pay back the favour (for playing in Tampa and adding to the apology to Masai).

[Son Goku 25]

Casey really going to be coaching Cade huh lol

[Psubs]

Casey really going to be coaching Cade huh lol

Cade will get Casey a 2nd COY award.

I would like to see Cade go to Minnesota. DLo-Edwards-Cade-McDaniels-KAT Maybe start Beasley?

Actually, Minnesota doesn't deserve any more #1 picks! Give them the #3 so they don't have to give it to Golden State.

[B-Ball Freak]

Monster performance by Cade, he's going number one.

[Indeed]

Casey really going to be coaching Cade huh lol

Cade will get Casey a 2nd COY award.

I would like to see Cade go to Minnesota. DLo-Edwards-Cade-McDaniels-KAT Maybe start Beasley?

Actually, Minnesota doesn't deserve any more #1 picks! Give them the #3 so they don't have to give it to Golden State.

I thought top 3 protected means they keep the #3. It might have to drop to the #4 pick.
Meanwhile, I wonder if Kuminga could end up being the #1 pick. He has more exposure to coaching staffs, and maybe more NBA ready with G-League that maybe better for a team who needs to compete now.

[Psubs]

Casey really going to be coaching Cade huh lol

Cade will get Casey a 2nd COY award.

I would like to see Cade go to Minnesota. DLo-Edwards-Cade-McDaniels-KAT Maybe start Beasley?

Actually, Minnesota doesn't deserve any more #1 picks! Give them the #3 so they don't have to give it to Golden State.

I thought top 3 protected means they keep the #3. It might have to drop to the #4 pick.
Meanwhile, I wonder if Kuminga could end up being the #1 pick. He has more exposure to coaching staffs, and maybe more NBA ready with G-League that maybe better for a team who needs to compete now.

Ya, Minnesota keeps it if 1,2 or 3. They couldn't get GS to do top 5 protected? What a **** GM. DLo isn't THAT much better than Wiggins. Minny should've asked for top 7 protected and GS ask for top 3 and they settle on top 5. I get that they did it to make KAT happy but they could've drafted Lamelo #1.

PG Lamelo
SG Beasley
SF Wiggins
PF Mobley
C KAT

Jalen Green is putting up better #s than Kuminga. I think it's a toss up who has a better career. If you're in the #3 and #4 spot just pick what the team needs. Could end up being a Vince Carter vs Antawn Jamison situation. By age 35 Jamison was still putting up 17ppg while Vince was at 11ppg; Vince just outlasted him.

If the team miss out on Cade and Mobley and have to choose;
Minny - Kuminga
Detroit - Green
Cleveland - Kuminga
Washington - Green
Orlando - depends if they plan to bring back Fournier, but probably Kuminga

[BoyzNTheHood]

My guy Zay Todd called game I have no idea why he was ranked so low, but the kid's easily a lottery talent.

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[Zan Tabacco]

Sorry, my phrasing was bad. Babcock refused to trade up for Paul or Deron. Portland wanted picks 7 and 16 from us, but they settled for 6 and 27 from Utah instead cause Babcock wouldn't budge.

RIP to Rob Babcock but he was as horrible as a GM gets. His 1.5 years in charge set us back 10 years. Sometimes I wonder how hiring Dr. J would have looked, it couldn't have been much worse.

Araujo over Iguodala, Miralles over Ariza, VC for scraps, then had a chance to make the VC trade respectable by taking Danny Granger but he picked Joey Graham, Ukic over Lou Will, his biggest free agent signings were Jose Calderon, Rafer Alston and Loren Woods

Agreed. Babcock might be one of the worst GMs in NBA history. In his defense on Granger, apparently Granger didn't want to play here and let it be known.

Babcock could've tried to salvage the Carter trade by trading up in the 2005 draft.

Portland traded: 3rd pick (Deron Williams)

Portland Received: 6th pick (Martell Webster) and 27th pick (Linas Kleiza), 2006 first round pick (Joel Freeland)

The Raptors had the 7th & 16th picks add a lotto protected FRP and that's a better offer easily. If he drafts Paul, no one ever even talks about how bad the Carter deal was. Paul & Bosh would've been a great young core to build around.

[Drygon]

Cade will get Casey a 2nd COY award.

I would like to see Cade go to Minnesota. DLo-Edwards-Cade-McDaniels-KAT Maybe start Beasley?

Actually, Minnesota doesn't deserve any more #1 picks! Give them the #3 so they don't have to give it to Golden State.

I thought top 3 protected means they keep the #3. It might have to drop to the #4 pick.
Meanwhile, I wonder if Kuminga could end up being the #1 pick. He has more exposure to coaching staffs, and maybe more NBA ready with G-League that maybe better for a team who needs to compete now.

Ya, Minnesota keeps it if 1,2 or 3. They couldn't get GS to do top 5 protected? What a **** GM. DLo isn't THAT much better than Wiggins. Minny should've asked for top 7 protected and GS ask for top 3 and they settle on top 5. I get that they did it to make KAT happy but they could've drafted Lamelo #1.

PG Lamelo
SG Beasley
SF Wiggins
PF Mobley
C KAT

Jalen Green is putting up better #s than Kuminga. I think it's a toss up who has a better career. If you're in the #3 and #4 spot just pick what the team needs. Could end up being a Vince Carter vs Antawn Jamison situation. By age 35 Jamison was still putting up 17ppg while Vince was at 11ppg; Vince just outlasted him.

If the team miss out on Cade and Mobley and have to choose;
Minny - Kuminga
Detroit - Green
Cleveland - Kuminga
Washington - Green
Orlando - depends if they plan to bring back Fournier, but probably Kuminga

Context: After LeBron's departure, the Cavs were tanking for a handful of seasons and consistently being a lottery team. Antwan was putting up empty stats with highest usage on the team. Vince signed with reigning champ Dallas Mavericks and his role was nothing like Antwan in Cavs.

Either way, Vince is a future 1st Ballot HOF and was easily better player than Antwan in their prime. Even as a role player, Vince was actually solid contributor for playoff teams like Dallas & Grizzlies. Even good enough to be a dark horse candidate for 6MOTY-award.