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Political Roundtable Part XXIX

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1561 » by Pointgod » Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:42 pm

dobrojim wrote:So the obvious question is can Manchin and Sinema be convinced to
support repeal of filibuster? One thing that has not been given much
coverage is what filibuster reforms might look like. Norm Ornstein
has written about this. You could go back to the days when filibustering
required physical stamina. My own preference would be to have a sliding
scale of votes needed to break the filibuster starting at sixty but diminishing
over a period of weeks until it reaches a simple majority.

The efforts to suppress voting are unspeakably disgusting. The main hope
there being that the harder they try to suppress, the more determined
the intended targets of that suppression must be.


Manchin is an unrepentant ****, the whole Neera Tanden situation is proof of that. I don’t actually think there’s much you can do to move Manchin because he probably doesn’t seek re-election. Other than threaten committee assignments or offer to direct a ton of money to West Virginia I don’t think there’s anything that moves Manchin.

Sinema confuses the hell out of me because she seems to be moving in the opposite direction of her states electorate.

What’s not talked about enough is that the Senate can choose to eliminate the filibuster for whatever bill they want. It’s not an all or nothing approach. So you could remove it for Democracy reform but keep it for infrastructure spending. But yeah you can start by forcing Senators to be in person to filibuster and make the rules so they have to speak on the actual topic.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1562 » by Pointgod » Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:44 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Two amusing tweets flashed by my timeline today, one about how cool it was that Biden was dropping bombs in Syria instead of Trump and how much better it was because there wasn't any partisan bluster, just quietly went about the business of committing war crimes without authority from Congress, yay

Other one about how nice the cages are that they keep the kids in.

Biden is whatever, better than Trump anyway, but I gotta say - Twitter is full of really stupid people


Twitter is full of idiots and those two examples are takes from simple minded idiots who don’t understand context and just want to hate on Biden
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1563 » by dobrojim » Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:03 pm

Nice Nazi symbol design at CPAC.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1564 » by verbal8 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:49 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Neera Tanden was a stretch but wow it's hilarious seeing GOP senators blubbering and crying about how mean her tweets are, knuckle up buttercup!


I think what scares them is not her being the head of OMB, but of having a hearing knowing she was doomed. It could be incredibly damaging to the GOP.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1565 » by verbal8 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:49 pm

dobrojim wrote:Nice Nazi symbol design at CPAC.

If it was an accident it would have been changed. The Hyatt should have insisted on it.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1566 » by verbal8 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:56 pm

Pointgod wrote:
dobrojim wrote:So the obvious question is can Manchin and Sinema be convinced to
support repeal of filibuster? One thing that has not been given much
coverage is what filibuster reforms might look like. Norm Ornstein
has written about this. You could go back to the days when filibustering
required physical stamina. My own preference would be to have a sliding
scale of votes needed to break the filibuster starting at sixty but diminishing
over a period of weeks until it reaches a simple majority.

The efforts to suppress voting are unspeakably disgusting. The main hope
there being that the harder they try to suppress, the more determined
the intended targets of that suppression must be.


Manchin is an unrepentant ****, the whole Neera Tanden situation is proof of that. I don’t actually think there’s much you can do to move Manchin because he probably doesn’t seek re-election. Other than threaten committee assignments or offer to direct a ton of money to West Virginia I don’t think there’s anything that moves Manchin.

Sinema confuses the hell out of me because she seems to be moving in the opposite direction of her states electorate.

Same here on Sinema. Maybe she hopes a Romney-lite approach makes the GOP go right wing against her. I would think Kelly and Tester are probably better models for her to try to emulate than Manchin.

Pointgod wrote:What’s not talked about enough is that the Senate can choose to eliminate the filibuster for whatever bill they want. It’s not an all or nothing approach. So you could remove it for Democracy reform but keep it for infrastructure spending. But yeah you can start by forcing Senators to be in person to filibuster and make the rules so they have to speak on the actual topic.

If the filibuster remains, it should be in a manner that takes concerted effort to maintain. How many fundraisers would Cruz miss to block an attempt to fix ACA? Warren camp out on the Senate floor if she had to fight to preserve it.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1567 » by dobrojim » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:01 pm

They only hire the best

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1568 » by doclinkin » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:55 pm

dobrojim wrote:They only hire the best



And they beat up Kaepernick for kneeling during the anthem. This one poisoned it, shot it, kicked it while it was still twitching then stuffed it down the gutter.

EDIT-- I had to check the comments section. Ha!

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1569 » by Wizardspride » Mon Mar 1, 2021 12:26 am

Read on Twitter
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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1570 » by dobrojim » Mon Mar 1, 2021 1:57 am

dobrojim wrote:They only hire the best



Okay shouldn't quote myself but just gotta say, I got some interesting push back
from one of my few remaining rightie friends on FB for posting this calling us
the "intolerant left".
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1571 » by FAH1223 » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:48 am

Read on Twitter


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1572 » by Ruzious » Mon Mar 1, 2021 2:16 pm

dobrojim wrote:
dobrojim wrote:They only hire the best



Okay shouldn't quote myself but just gotta say, I got some interesting push back
from one of my few remaining rightie friends on FB for posting this calling us
the "intolerant left".

I actually wondered at points if the singer was deaf - some of the keys were excruciatingly... unusual. But it was hilarious when she held that one note for several seconds - she seemed to really believe she was gifted. Sorry to be mean - not really, but someone needs to explain why she got the gig.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1573 » by Pointgod » Mon Mar 1, 2021 2:25 pm

dobrojim wrote:
dobrojim wrote:They only hire the best



Okay shouldn't quote myself but just gotta say, I got some interesting push back
from one of my few remaining rightie friends on FB for posting this calling us
the "intolerant left".


Terrorist supporters say what?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1574 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Mar 1, 2021 2:42 pm

dobrojim wrote:
dobrojim wrote:They only hire the best



Okay shouldn't quote myself but just gotta say, I got some interesting push back
from one of my few remaining rightie friends on FB for posting this calling us
the "intolerant left".


Dude, do you consider yourself a serious party? Then hire someone who can SING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM IN KEY

Intolerance. FFS. You just made your party a national laughing stock - that's on YOU
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1575 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Mar 1, 2021 2:44 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1576 » by Ruzious » Mon Mar 1, 2021 2:47 pm

There's a lot of hilarious comments on Youtube. Best was "That anthem was so bad, even Colin Kaepernick got off his knee and left."
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1577 » by dobrojim » Mon Mar 1, 2021 4:37 pm

Ruzious wrote:
dobrojim wrote:
dobrojim wrote:They only hire the best



Okay shouldn't quote myself but just gotta say, I got some interesting push back
from one of my few remaining rightie friends on FB for posting this calling us
the "intolerant left".

I actually wondered at points if the singer was deaf - some of the keys were excruciatingly... unusual. But it was hilarious when she held that one note for several seconds - she seemed to really believe she was gifted. Sorry to be mean - not really, but someone needs to explain why she got the gig.


The take home story is that CPAC thinks they should be running
the country but they can’t even do a competent job running a
convention what with this and the Nazi stage design.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1578 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:18 pm

I mean, there are cops and firefighters and fricking MEMBERS OF MY BARBERSHOP QUARTET FROM BLOOMINGTON who could've done a better job. People who are good at singing are ALL OVER THE PLACE. Look at the people who sing the anthem at all the pro events. That's 40 home games a year times 30, just for basketball. And college sports. And the NFL. And hockey. And baseball. SO MANY. They're literally everywhere. So the person in charge of hiring this young lady is a complete incompetent. It's INSULTING to the many many talented artists all over the country who got passed over so this lady, who I'm guessing is like Ted Cruz' niece or something, gets a chance.

Maybe she's disabled. I hope that's it because damn. Wtaf.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1579 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:19 pm

Ruzious wrote:There's a lot of hilarious comments on Youtube. Best was "That anthem was so bad, even Colin Kaepernick got off his knee and left."


"Is Q a key signature?"

"UPDATE: The singer’s name is Sailor Sabol. She’s a GOP member from Orlando, Florida, and she’s available for weddings, christenings and executions."
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#1580 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:24 pm

Here's her youtube channel. Like if you pay attention you can tell she has pitch problems but she's alright as long as she's got accompaniment to keep her on key, maybe it was singing a capella for the first time ever that was her problem.

After watching some of these videos knowing to listen for pitch issues I wouldn't have hired her, but I imagine the person in charge of hiring her at CPAC doesn't have any musical background.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP8CG20wb2SZce7igrHI3wA

So the lesson to be learned from this is have the person send you a tape of them singing the Star Spangled Banner a capella, and take the time to listen to it all the way through.
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