Trade Talk (Part Six)

[Norseman79]

Trade for Gordon and Collins then. Positionless basketball right?

Send Ant, and whatever they want to ATL for Collins.

Send Rubio, or assets from Rubio trade to Orlando, plus fill for Gordon.

DLo
Beasley
Gordon
Collins
Towns

How is that?

[Norseman79]

Orlando out:Gordon
In: Rubio (assets retained in Rubio trade), Nowell, Okoge

ATL out: Collins and player they want to unload
In: Ant, Mcdaniels, any other player they want


Min out: Rubio, Nowell, Okoge, Ant, McDaniels, possibly others

In: Gordon, Collins, possibly others

It works financially. Then you just offer Collins his max and away you go. Sign vet minimums or 2nd round picks as depth.

DLo, JMac
Beasley, Culver
Gordon, Layman
Collins, Vanderbilt/Juancho
Towns, Reid

[UnFadeable21]

Malik Beasley & Juancho Hernangomez for AG

Rubio
DLo
ANT
AG
KAT

Jmac
Nowell
Culver
Jaden
Naz

Do it!!!

[donkeylips]

why would you ok with giving up edwards so easily?

[Norseman79]

why would you ok with giving up edwards so easily?

I am not, but we aren't giving up Kat or DLo, so if the goal is to win now and keep KAT no reason to keep Ant. Ant might become better than Beasley, but we know what Beasley is already and his shooting is too valuable to Rosas to unload.

It's win now or rebuild. I like blowing it up, but not with Taylor or Rosas still here. Many others don't want to blow it up either, well then you need good players to win now, not young ones needing developing.

[IceManBK1]

I'd take Terrence Ross+Gordon for Beasley and Huancho and Josh Okogie.

Dlo
Edwards
Culver
Gordon
Towns

Ross as 6th man off the bench

[UnFadeable21]

You have to make the trade without sending out a pick because we already owe a pick to the Warriors. The only guy with true value is Malik Beasley.

[shrink]

Shams says wolves gonna go after Aaron Gordon

Another move in the wrong direction. Collins would at least be overpaid but useful.

Collins would be a free agent. No point trading for him when he wants the max

At least AG has two years remaining on his deal

Yes, Collins has already turned down slightly-sub-max extensions. Collins on a max should not command a “significant asking price.”

Does a team with Max deals to KAT, Collins, and DLo have a future? I don’t see it.

And if Aaron Gordon requires a “significant” amount of trade equity, we can’t afford that either.

[NebWolvesFan]

I would give up Towns before I would give up Edwards, McDaniels, Reid, Beasley or Russell. The only reason I would consider giving up Towns is that you might still be able to get a Kings Ransom for him.

Minnesota needs a lot more talent. That means trading one talented player for another one won't do it. If Minnesota could get Gordon and keep the six players I mentioned earlier than that's a win. If Minnesota trades Beasley for Gordon, I feel like it's a wash and doesn't help Minnesota that much.

Rosas' goal has to be keep his young talent and ADD! That's tough, but hell being a NBA POBO is tough.

[Merc_Porto]

Why trade Beasley thought?

Trade Ricky first for an expiring (call Chicago), end the season and hope for the best at draft and then use the pick or not to make a trade.

Beasley is a nice piece to have. He doesn't do much and his handling is horrible but he's elite at one thing and that's the most important in today's game. Shooting...

[UnFadeable21]

Why trade Beasley thought?

Trade Ricky first for an expiring (call Chicago), end the season and hope for the best at draft and then use the pick or not to make a trade.

Beasley is a nice piece to have. He doesn't do much and his handling is horrible but he's elite at one thing and that's the most important in today's game. Shooting...

Dane Moore said Beasley is selfish as hell and wants to be the main guy on the wolves. He wouldn’t accept a 6th man role here.

Can’t win starting Beasley, DLo, and Ant together.

Can’t trade DLo because of KAT and can’t trade Ant because of potential.

You have to make the trade without sending out a pick because we already owe a pick to the Warriors. The only guy with true value is Malik Beasley.

Vando isn't a starter and Jaden isn’t ready.

[SO_MONEY]

Why trade Beasley thought?

Trade Ricky first for an expiring (call Chicago), end the season and hope for the best at draft and then use the pick or not to make a trade.

Beasley is a nice piece to have. He doesn't do much and his handling is horrible but he's elite at one thing and that's the most important in today's game. Shooting...

Dane Moore said Beasley is selfish as hell and wants to be the main guy on the wolves. He wouldn’t accept a 6th man role here.

Can’t win starting Beasley, DLo, and Ant together.

Can’t trade DLo because of KAT and can’t trade Ant because of potential.

You have to make the trade without sending out a pick because we already owe a pick to the Warriors. The only guy with true value is Malik Beasley.

Vando isn't a starter and Jaden isn’t ready.

Who cares? I think Beasley will eventually be traded, but it sure shouldn't be now AND sure as hell not for a lesser player like Gordon.

[UnFadeable21]

According to ESPN's Brian Windhorst on his Brian Windhorst & The Hoop Collective podcast, NBA executives have discussed the notion that Orlando is "possibly" willing to trade away Gordon or Fournier.

"The Orlando Magic possibly could be willing to part with a guy like Evan Fournier," Windhorst said. "Maybe a guy like Aaron Gordon, that is being chatted around about executives."

Selling is becoming a greater possibility for the Magic as they continue to slide down the Eastern Conference standings. They are currently 13th at 13-20, leaving them three games out of the No. 8 spot.

The 25-year-old forward is averaging 13.8 points, 7.2 rebounds, a career-high 4.2 assists and 1.6 three-pointers made in 19 games this season.

He has struggled a bit with efficiency, though, shooting a career-worst 42.7 percent from the field, although his 36.9 percent conversion rate from beyond the arc is solid.

Given Gordon's versatility and relatively young age, plus the fact that he wouldn't be a pure rental, he could command some interest on the trade market.

[Merc_Porto]

Why trade Beasley thought?

Trade Ricky first for an expiring (call Chicago), end the season and hope for the best at draft and then use the pick or not to make a trade.

Beasley is a nice piece to have. He doesn't do much and his handling is horrible but he's elite at one thing and that's the most important in today's game. Shooting...

Dane Moore said Beasley is selfish as hell and wants to be the main guy on the wolves. He wouldn’t accept a 6th man role here.

Can’t win starting Beasley, DLo, and Ant together.

Can’t trade DLo because of KAT and can’t trade Ant because of potential.

You have to make the trade without sending out a pick because we already owe a pick to the Warriors. The only guy with true value is Malik Beasley.

Vando isn't a starter and Jaden isn’t ready.

Understood.

I just think is funny to talk about how selfish Beasley is while at same time we keep saying we can't trade Dlo because he's a bff of KAT.

If people don't understand the irony of a team desesperate to create a winning culture with this kind of decisions then i don't know what to say.

Is not against you in specific. I'm just saying a lot of us, Timberwolves fans keep saying that without even notice how wrong that is.

[UnFadeable21]

Read on Twitter

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Doogie says Wolves have contacted the Magic

[UnFadeable21]

Why trade Beasley thought?

Trade Ricky first for an expiring (call Chicago), end the season and hope for the best at draft and then use the pick or not to make a trade.

Beasley is a nice piece to have. He doesn't do much and his handling is horrible but he's elite at one thing and that's the most important in today's game. Shooting...

Dane Moore said Beasley is selfish as hell and wants to be the main guy on the wolves. He wouldn’t accept a 6th man role here.

Can’t win starting Beasley, DLo, and Ant together.

Can’t trade DLo because of KAT and can’t trade Ant because of potential.

You have to make the trade without sending out a pick because we already owe a pick to the Warriors. The only guy with true value is Malik Beasley.

Vando isn't a starter and Jaden isn’t ready.

Understood.

I just think is funny to talk about how selfish Beasley is while at same time we keep saying we can't trade Dlo because he's a bff of KAT.

If people don't understand the irony of a team desesperate to create a winning culture with this kind of decisions then i don't know what to say.

Is not against you in specific. I'm just saying a lot of us, Timberwolves fans keep saying that without even notice how wrong that is.

I like Malik because he plays hard and can shoot but his attitude is terrible, he can’t dribble and he’s a horrible defender.

[shrink]

Why trade Beasley thought?

Trade Ricky first for an expiring (call Chicago), end the season and hope for the best at draft and then use the pick or not to make a trade.

Beasley is a nice piece to have. He doesn't do much and his handling is horrible but he's elite at one thing and that's the most important in today's game. Shooting...

Dane Moore said Beasley is selfish as hell and wants to be the main guy on the wolves. He wouldn’t accept a 6th man role here.

Can’t win starting Beasley, DLo, and Ant together.

Can’t trade DLo because of KAT and can’t trade Ant because of potential.

You have to make the trade without sending out a pick because we already owe a pick to the Warriors. The only guy with true value is Malik Beasley.

Vando isn't a starter and Jaden isn’t ready.

Who cares? I think Beasley will eventually be traded, but it sure shouldn't be now AND sure as hell not for a lesser player like Gordon.

I can’t “who cares” these things. At this point, MIN needs Ant to develop into a star. MIN needs a star, and the team doesn’t have the assets to to trade for a star, and a star isn’t coming here in free agency. The more minutes we sink Ant to develop him at his natural SG position, where he has the biggest competitive advantage, the less minutes we’ll have for Beasley. He is not going to be okay with that in the future. He has also had a lot more time than Ant to try to develop his defense, which is critical since DLo is stuck here, and he’s not going to be OK coming off the bench either.

People know I haven’t been a big fan of Aaron Gordon. To his litany of problems others have mentioned, I tend to think that he doesn’t care that much about basketball, versus his recording career and meaningless slam dunk contests. However, his uptake in shooting this year (if sustainable) makes me think he would help this team return to being at least able to play NBA ball. A player doesn’t need to be a 40% shooter to keep the floor spread.

I agree that Beasley is more valuable than Gordon, particularly with the length of his contract. The deal that’s been floated on the RealGM board is Malik and Rubio for Gordon and Fournier. I think an expiring Fournier is much more valuable than Rubio. Fournier is already an okay defender and a good three point shooter, and his 3P% might rise next to KAT. I wouldn’t hate that deal because of the balancing, and I think it could provide a more balanced starting line up that can help Ant learn, with a line up of

DLo
Ant
Fournier
Gordon
KAT

That line up won’t get MIN to the playoffs this year, but at least it would play competitive ball. Fournier could also be traded if there was a decent deal for him - he is worth more than a typical expiring because he’s a player right now (18.5 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 3.8 APG, 37.1% 3P), and stays in his defensive schemes. A more competitive team can help turn around our losing culture.

[Baseline81]

At some point, the Wolves will have to make a call on Towns. Over the past couple of seasons, we've been clamoring for a specific type of PF -- athletic, defender, capable of shooting 3's -- next to KAT. Gordon fits that mold. If it doesn't work, maybe Towns isn't the one to build around.

[TheZachAttack]

Another move in the wrong direction. Collins would at least be overpaid but useful.

Collins would be a free agent. No point trading for him when he wants the max

At least AG has two years remaining on his deal

Yes, Collins has already turned down slightly-sub-max extensions. Collins on a max should not command a “significant asking price.”

Does a team with Max deals to KAT, Collins, and DLo have a future? I don’t see it.

And if Aaron Gordon requires a “significant” amount of trade equity, we can’t afford that either.

I never said I thought that it did and I thought I acknowledged the contract impact. I just said that acquiring Aaron Gordon isn't going to do anything other than perpretuate a cycle of the Wolves targeting players that don't impact winning. Gordon, especially giving up assets and cap space, is just as negative as all of these other players that the Wolves have targeted.

Gordon has a low basketball IQ, he can't shoot, he can't play defense, he has a poor shot selection, he doesn't make teammates better... the list goes on and on. If there's a comparision it's someone like Edwards except Gordon is a now a veteran, has reached his athletic peak, and doesn't likely have any upside to improve as a basketball player. The only redeeming quality he has is his athleticism, but there has never been a point in his career where that athleticism translates to anything coming close to positive play on the basketball court.

What makes you think that bringing him, his overpaid contract, his lack of fit within our system, and his awful basketball play on the court to this dumpster fire of a development program and front office would leave to anything other than even worse results than what we've seen thus far?

My only point was that at least Collins, in this system and next to KAT, offensively fits as much as anyone could? Adding 40% from 3 floor spacing big who can also be a rim runner is theoretically huge for a team that has a system that priortizes spacing as heavily as a system could but has a roster construction that does the opposite almost as much as any roster construction could.

I don't think either outcome is good. At the very least, Collins could provide something that is positive on a basketball court while there is no scenario where Gordon does anything other than add another non-floor spacing, low IQ, bad defensive player that doesn't contribute a positive individual impact or make teammates better.

It's hilarious that so many fans want to target Gordon.

[SO_MONEY]

At some point, the Wolves will have to make a call on Towns. Over the past couple of seasons, we've been clamoring for a specific type of PF -- athletic, defender, capable of shooting 3's -- next to KAT. Gordon fits that mold. If it doesn't work, maybe Towns isn't the one to build around.

If it comes to that and you trade Beasley you lose having him in your hip pocket as far as trade value goes to further the accumulation of assets in a rebuild. That is the fatal flaw in this. If you trade Towns, we wouldn't want Gordon and he is less valuable and would take a desperate team to get value back or we lost Beasley for nothing. Beasley should be the last player of "value" we trade. The order is probably something like Rubio, Okogie, Culver, DLo, Towns and then Beasley if you want to maximize a rebuild while also keeping Towns as long as you can. The fact fans are getting to the point they see it might be needed you would hope FOs also see it. But if you vary from that order there abouts and make a desperate move you are going to be worse off if you do decide to blow it up.