NBA MVP Discussion 20/21 (Fresh poll ➥ Vote)

9th Wonder · Post #1661 » by **9th Wonder** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 4:57 pm

We need a filter that removes comments from Philly, Denver and LAL fans to make this thread interesting instead of a partisan pissing match. From my perspective as a Philly fan, Embiid looks great and seems to be having an MVP season. But I don't watch nearly enough of any other team to know if someone else deserves it more. And I suspect many posters in this thread also don't watch enough of other teams to comment objectively.

Castle Black · Post #1662 » by **Castle Black** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 4:58 pm

Harden & Embiid are currently the front runners. Followed by Jokic and Lebron.

With that said, we’re only halfway through the season so lots of hoops left change all this.

inquisitive · Post #1663 » by **inquisitive** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:35 pm

harden of course...embiid is next

Sgt Major · Post #1664 » by **Sgt Major** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:43 pm

Embiid and Jokic are leading, Harden is in the tier below.

BelgradeNugget · Post #1665 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:51 pm

9th Wonder wrote:We need a filter that removes comments from Philly, Denver and LAL fans to make this thread interesting instead of a partisan pissing match. From my perspective as a Philly fan, Embiid looks great and seems to be having an MVP season. But I don't watch nearly enough of any other team to know if someone else deserves it more. And I suspect many posters in this thread also don't watch enough of other teams to comment objectively.

I absolutely agree with your opinion. I'm here only to argue some IMO silly comments (and have fun), but Embiid has strong case for MVP no doubt.

eminence · Post #1666 » by **eminence** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:57 pm

I'd go with:
1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. LeBron

As the 3 real contenders.

4-10 deserving of some HM, but not seeming like they have real chances, not ordered:
Gobert
Giannis
Kawhi
Lillard
Curry
Harden
Doncic

BelgradeNugget · Post #1667 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:57 pm

Harden's Rockets were 3-6 before trade. If you are using Nuggets record against the player leading the league in every advanced stat, and having some of the best advanced stats in the history of the league, why are you not looking to Hardens W-L before joining super-team. He was under 50%. So no Harden in conversation please.

NyKnicks1714 · Post #1668 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 6:03 pm

Right now:

1. Jokembiid

2. LeBron

That said, in the end I still expect Philly to fade and Jokic to be the decisive winner, LeBron the decisive runner-up.

Dupp · Post #1669 » by **Dupp** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 6:34 pm

BelgradeNugget wrote:Harden's Rockets were 3-6 before trade. If you are using Nuggets record against the player leading the league in every advanced stat, and having some of the best advanced stats in the history of the league, why are you not looking to Hardens W-L before joining super-team. He was under 50%. So no Harden in conversation please.

And how’s that rockets team doing without him? How’d the nets do without kd?

Hardens slowly gaining momentum whether people like it or not. He’s not in the embiid/ joker tier yet but eventually he will be with with this sustained level

BelgradeNugget · Post #1670 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 6:51 pm

Dupp wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:Harden's Rockets were 3-6 before trade. If you are using Nuggets record against the player leading the league in every advanced stat, and having some of the best advanced stats in the history of the league, why are you not looking to Hardens W-L before joining super-team. He was under 50%. So no Harden in conversation please.

And how’s that rockets team doing without him? How’d the nets do without kd?

Hardens slowly gaining momentum whether people like it or not. He’s not in the embiid/ joker tier yet but eventually he will be with with this sustained level

"Hardens slowly gaining momentum" we agree on this
"He’s not in the embiid/ joker tier" we agree on this
people who think he is in front of Joker are real jokers

Hello Brooklyn · Post #1671 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:02 pm

I don't understand how Jokic is in the conversation when the Nuggets are a fringe playoff team right now. It makes no sense.

To me its a 3 way race between Embiid/LeBron/Harden. Embiid with a clear lead.

BelgradeNugget · Post #1672 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:18 pm

Harden was unable to lead Houston to even be a fringie playoff team, not 50% in the west, he forces a trade to super-team in the east and he is in front of Jokic. So if Jokic forces a trade to LA clippers/Lakers/Jazz he is unanimous MVP?
BTW Jokic beats Harden in every existing stat and the ones that will be made in the future.

Edrees · Post #1673 » by **Edrees** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:26 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:I don't understand how Jokic is in the conversation when the Nuggets are a fringe playoff team right now. It makes no sense.

To me its a 3 way race between Embiid/LeBron/Harden. Embiid with a clear lead.

The nuggets would be the 4th seed in the east, that's why. They'd be 1 game back of the 3rd seed in the east.Can't punish Jokic just because the west standings are brutal.

The Knicks are the 5th seed in the east and would be 9th in the west.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone seed 1-8 in the brutal west is eligible, only seeds 1-3 in the east should be considered.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #1674 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:38 pm

Edrees wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:I don't understand how Jokic is in the conversation when the Nuggets are a fringe playoff team right now. It makes no sense.

To me its a 3 way race between Embiid/LeBron/Harden. Embiid with a clear lead.

The nuggets would be the 4th seed in the east, that's why. They'd be 1 game back of the 3rd seed in the east.Can't punish Jokic just because the west standings are brutal.

The Knicks are the 5th seed in the east and would be 9th in the west.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone seed 1-8 in the brutal west is eligible, only seeds 1-3 in the east should be considered.

Even being a 4 seed in the East isn't good enough. Not to mention that the 4 seed in the East is basically .500 so far.

The MVP is supposed to go to a player thats on one of the best teams in the NBA. Usually a top 2 seed.

The Nuggets are worse than last year. Thats not MVP. He won't win it unless the Nuggets get better.

Basileus777 · Post #1675 » by **Basileus777** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:40 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:I don't understand how Jokic is in the conversation when the Nuggets are a fringe playoff team right now. It makes no sense.

To me its a 3 way race between Embiid/LeBron/Harden. Embiid with a clear lead.

Jokic needs his team to go on a run and end up with a better record to win it, but so does LeBron. Lakers aren't good enough right now for LeBron to have a legitimate MVP argument when his numbers don't stand out. If he wasn't LeBron no one would even have him in this conversation.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #1676 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:40 pm

BelgradeNugget wrote:Harden was unable to lead Houston to even be a fringie playoff team, not 50% in the west, he forces a trade to super-team in the east and he is in front of Jokic. So if Jokic forces a trade to LA clippers/Lakers/Jazz he is unanimous MVP?
BTW Jokic beats Harden in every existing stat and the ones that will be made in the future.

The Nets were not a top seed until Harden got there. They were only a few games above .500.

Jokic is not on a top team. Who cares about stats if you're not winning. Thats not how the MVP works.

Harden could easily put up 35 pts plus if he wanted.

theonlyclutch · Post #1677 » by **theonlyclutch** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:43 pm

Edrees wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:I don't understand how Jokic is in the conversation when the Nuggets are a fringe playoff team right now. It makes no sense.

To me its a 3 way race between Embiid/LeBron/Harden. Embiid with a clear lead.

The nuggets would be the 4th seed in the east, that's why. They'd be 1 game back of the 3rd seed in the east.Can't punish Jokic just because the west standings are brutal.

The Knicks are the 5th seed in the east and would be 9th in the west.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone seed 1-8 in the brutal west is eligible, only seeds 1-3 in the east should be considered.

Extrapolated to an 82 game season, the Nuggets would be a 47-win team, that's not the sort of team record that normally deserves MVP, especially when there are alternative players also with awesome stats but are on better team record.

Dupp · Post #1678 » by **Dupp** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:54 pm

Nuggets obviously need to win more but to say joker isn’t in the convo is dumb. He’s playing way better than anyone in the league.

Embiid has missed like 7 games right? That’s a pretty big negative in itself.

Joker always plays and his team is really good when he’s on the court.

BelgradeNugget · Post #1679 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:55 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:Harden was unable to lead Houston to even be a fringie playoff team, not 50% in the west, he forces a trade to super-team in the east and he is in front of Jokic. So if Jokic forces a trade to LA clippers/Lakers/Jazz he is unanimous MVP?
BTW Jokic beats Harden in every existing stat and the ones that will be made in the future.

The Nets were not a top seed until Harden got there. They were only a few games above .500.

Jokic is not on a top team. Who cares about stats if you're not winning. Thats not how the MVP works.

Harden could easily put up 35 pts plus if he wanted.

How MVP works? Force a trade to super-team and be MVP if you can not lead your team to 50%.
Harden was putting up 35 and that is the reason why Houston crumbled at the end. Couldn't share a flour with CP3 who is ultimate winner but wanted his friend Westbrick. He basically buried Houston and left.
BTW Joker is averaging 27.3/11/8.6/1.7/0.7 on 56.9/41.7/88.5
Harden is averaging 25.3/7.8/11.1/1.2/0.7 on 48.4/40.1/85.9
So to be in the Jokers league he first needs to become a little bit better 3 pt shooter and free throw shooter, to start with, and then everything else.

BoatsNZones · Post #1680 » by **BoatsNZones** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:57 pm

taufblazers33 wrote:Yesterdays win further justifies Lillards case for mvp over Curry. He has done more with less his entire career while Curry had Klay Durant Draymond.

Curry outplays Lillard every season and virtually every time they play, including last night despite a great shot from Dame (no clue why he was single-teamed in ISO, God knows Curry would never get that treatment). Lillard had his chance for the umpteenth time against Curry the last time they met in the playoffs (KD freshly out, Klay unable to hit the side of a barn), and Curry eviscerated him as he always does (37/8/7 on 47/44/94 to Lillard's 22/5/8.5 on 37/37/89). At that point people were clamoring that Lillard>Curry as well. But then he got swept and put in his place, again. Don't bring that nonsense in here.

As for MVP, Jokic with a chance to make up some more ground in the standings with a win over the Pacers tonight. Again, all he's missing is the seeding (their SRS is up to 5th in the NBA at this point). He's been both the clear best player and isn't sitting a game out. Going through the grind.

Who is the MVP so far?