Ricky Rubio #9

[Andri]

Everyone really needs to lighten up, I was trying to add some levity to the situation...

I am waiting if you can help me to understand our talk. It would be great to know when it would be good timing for pointing out disfunctions to hold people accountable in your opinion.

Thank you in advance!

[Battletrigger]

Ricky haters are having a field day in twitter with that possession.
I just want him out of Minny as soon as possible. Worst decision in his career by far to come back. I don't know what Ryan and Rosas told him, but I thought he was more intelligent than that.

Never was a Rubio decision, it wasn't Rubio worst decision, was Rosas one.

Man, I remember when we first traded Rubio, I was so happy, I was so upset of airball, failed layups and so poor %.

And when I saw that S. Bey was still available and we traded the pick and Johnson for Rubio was a real comedown. And what was more funny? The resentful fanboys coming out cause Thibs traded him to form the first winning team in almost two decades.

And now we have Rubio every two or three days slashing the team in the media, and we cannot forget the trash he played in the beginning of the season.

I cannot wait for the day he left the team once and for all. And please, take Rosas with you paquete.

To form a 1 year playoff team he dismantle a team full of promising guys like Lavine(All Star) and a good pg to give the dimes and defend, masterful decision as we have seen.
About the decision to come back, is well documented that they talked with Ricky to know if he was ok about going back to Minny, and he agreed, so, yeah, I think it was wrong from both parts.
Keep hating Ricky for saying things that need to be said or for not being a scoring point guard or for whatever reason you have, is up to you

I don't hate Rubio, but I am not his groupie for sure. I only don't want to see him in the team I follow, I get tired the first stretch. Too many easy failed 3s, 2s, layups, all you can image.

And well, Rubio wasn't traded in the Jimmy Butler trade, he was traded later. And it's fair to say that Lavine isn't as good as half of JB. The problem here was that only had Butler for a season due to a very poor management. JB was the guy, not Kat.

[LesGrossman]

Ricky haters are having a field day in twitter with that possession.
I just want him out of Minny as soon as possible. Worst decision in his career by far to come back. I don't know what Ryan and Rosas told him, but I thought he was more intelligent than that.

Never was a Rubio decision, it wasn't Rubio worst decision, was Rosas one.

Man, I remember when we first traded Rubio, I was so happy, I was so upset of airball, failed layups and so poor %.

And when I saw that S. Bey was still available and we traded the pick and Johnson for Rubio was a real comedown. And what was more funny? The resentful fanboys coming out cause Thibs traded him to form the first winning team in almost two decades.

And now we have Rubio every two or three days slashing the team in the media, and we cannot forget the trash he played in the beginning of the season.

I cannot wait for the day he left the team once and for all. And please, take Rosas with you paquete.

I think thats the dumbest post i've seen outside GB for a while, trashing a guy for talking truth about the worst franchise and team in the history of the game. You'd like him not to say theres something fundamentally wrong with this team? What does the truth have to do with his issues as a player? Even if it was the guy bringing the towels, as long as what he says is true, how can it be wrong?

There is apparently a group out there that actually enjoys the status quo, enjoys being blown out by 20 or 30 per night and hates on a guy who is desperate to turn things around.

[winforlose]

Isn't that the fake site? I forget already but there was one with oodles of rumors of Wolves players being made available or interest in players with eye catching article titles.

Honestly I am not sure one way or the other. That said they cited a source and gave link which led to another site. That link is going below. If it is fake news (possible,) they tried pretty hard to fake it.

https://fortyeightminutes.com/nba-rumors-ricky-rubio-kyle-lowry/

[Sugarless]

Fun fact: since Ricky became the starting PG for good 12 games ago, he's averaged:

11.4 PPG (43.8% FG, 43.5% 3-PT, 80.6% FT), 7.3 APG, 4.1 A:TO RATIO (with a good chunk of his TOs being due to his teammates -mainly Vanderbilt- being unable to catch a pass) in 28 MPG.

Now let's put it in 32 MPG, which is closer to what a true starting PG minutes should be:

13.0 PPG on high efficiency (57.7% TS) and 8.3 APG with an outstanding A:TO ratio. That's on a team that does not utilize him to the best of his strengths and where he's surrounded by non-shooters, no cutters and a bunch of guys who love to handle the ball and call their own numbers.

Who would have thought that him playing as the starter and simply having more of an established role (although far from a perfect one) would have that effect on his performance, compared to what we saw at the beginning of the season.

[PharmD]

Yeah, Ricky's been ballin' lately. Hopefully some GM with a non-horrid team has noticed.

[Jedzz]

Fun fact: since Ricky became the starting PG for good 12 games ago, he's averaged:

11.4 PPG (43.8% FG, 43.5% 3-PT, 80.6% FT), 7.3 APG, 4.1 A:TO RATIO (with a good chunk of his TOs being due to his teammates -mainly Vanderbilt- being unable to catch a pass) in 28 MPG.

Now let's it put in 32 MPG, which is closer to what a true starting PG minutes should be:

13.0 PPG on high efficiency (57.7% TS) and 8.3 APG with an outstanding A:TO ratio. That's on a team that does not utilize him to the best of his strengths and where he's surrounded by non-shooters, no cutters and a bunch of guys who love to handle the ball and call their own numbers.

Who would have thought that him playing as the starter and simply having more of a established role (although far from a perfect one) would have that effect on his performance, compared to what we saw at the beginning of the season.

Two things to maybe keep in mind. It might also be a fun fact that Rubio often did this starting in february/march of most seasons he was here. That would have to be fact checked but I can remember the point itself being brought up during his first term with Timberwolves more than once and this fits with what has happened this season.

The second thing is that your reasoning for how/why Rubio has improved from early struggles could also work for Dlo's start to the season. Not trying to disagree with you at all on any of this. Just a couple thoughts.

[LesGrossman]

Fun fact: since Ricky became the starting PG for good 12 games ago, he's averaged:

11.4 PPG (43.8% FG, 43.5% 3-PT, 80.6% FT), 7.3 APG, 4.1 A:TO RATIO (with a good chunk of his TOs being due to his teammates -mainly Vanderbilt- being unable to catch a pass) in 28 MPG.

Now let's it put in 32 MPG, which is closer to what a true starting PG minutes should be:

13.0 PPG on high efficiency (57.7% TS) and 8.3 APG with an outstanding A:TO ratio. That's on a team that does not utilize him to the best of his strengths and where he's surrounded by non-shooters, no cutters and a bunch of guys who love to handle the ball and call their own numbers.

Who would have thought that him playing as the starter and simply having more of a established role (although far from a perfect one) would have that effect on his performance, compared to what we saw at the beginning of the season.

Two things to maybe keep in mind. It might also be a fun fact that Rubio often did this starting in february/march of most seasons he was here. That would have to be fact checked but I can remember the point itself being brought up during his first term with Timberwolves more than once and this fits with what has happened this season.

The second thing is that your reasoning for how/why Rubio has improved from early struggles could also work for Dlo's start to the season. Not trying to disagree with you at all on any of this. Just a couple thoughts.

As far as i remember, Rubio had historically poor starts every season and turned it around about at all star break. But the past does not really matter that much. He has shown for three seasons outside of Minnesota what he can do now, its just silly reaching for straws to bring up stuff he struggled with before that.

Its obvious that if Rubio started with this exact same roster and the coach would establish a offense that is more efficient, including off ball action, and let Rubio consistently be the primary ball handler (as opposed to now where he has to fight a rookie with very low IQ for the ball every time down the court), the results would be immediate, and very positive. He would draw more attantion from the defense than he does standing in the corner (despite his respectable shooting, see above) and he would find his team mates.
Heres some stuff he did with a team that was new to him, and similar in talent, last year. Notice how he WILL find every cutter and how easy points come to otherwise limited players, because they basically get uncontested layups.

Watch on YouTube

[Sugarless]

Heres some stuff he did with a team that was new to him, and similar in talent, last year. Notice how he WILL find every cutter and how easy points come to otherwise limited players, because they basically get uncontested layups.

Watch on YouTube

SO. MANY. CUTTERS.

That was a really fun season after the injuries and Ayton's 20 game sanction, and probably the most fun Ricky's had since his rookie year. I'm glad the Suns are doing great this season.

PS: I need to find that thread from a few months ago where somebody here said Mikal (how I love the guy) was a scrub (box-score watching, as usual) and should be cheap to get in a trade.

[Mattya]

Fun fact: since Ricky became the starting PG for good 12 games ago, he's averaged:

11.4 PPG (43.8% FG, 43.5% 3-PT, 80.6% FT), 7.3 APG, 4.1 A:TO RATIO (with a good chunk of his TOs being due to his teammates -mainly Vanderbilt- being unable to catch a pass) in 28 MPG.

Now let's it put in 32 MPG, which is closer to what a true starting PG minutes should be:

13.0 PPG on high efficiency (57.7% TS) and 8.3 APG with an outstanding A:TO ratio. That's on a team that does not utilize him to the best of his strengths and where he's surrounded by non-shooters, no cutters and a bunch of guys who love to handle the ball and call their own numbers.

Who would have thought that him playing as the starter and simply having more of a established role (although far from a perfect one) would have that effect on his performance, compared to what we saw at the beginning of the season.

Two things to maybe keep in mind. It might also be a fun fact that Rubio often did this starting in february/march of most seasons he was here. That would have to be fact checked but I can remember the point itself being brought up during his first term with Timberwolves more than once and this fits with what has happened this season.

The second thing is that your reasoning for how/why Rubio has improved from early struggles could also work for Dlo's start to the season. Not trying to disagree with you at all on any of this. Just a couple thoughts.

He also gets to play with KAT.

[Sugarless]

Fun fact: since Ricky became the starting PG for good 12 games ago, he's averaged:

11.4 PPG (43.8% FG, 43.5% 3-PT, 80.6% FT), 7.3 APG, 4.1 A:TO RATIO (with a good chunk of his TOs being due to his teammates -mainly Vanderbilt- being unable to catch a pass) in 28 MPG.

Now let's it put in 32 MPG, which is closer to what a true starting PG minutes should be:

13.0 PPG on high efficiency (57.7% TS) and 8.3 APG with an outstanding A:TO ratio. That's on a team that does not utilize him to the best of his strengths and where he's surrounded by non-shooters, no cutters and a bunch of guys who love to handle the ball and call their own numbers.

Who would have thought that him playing as the starter and simply having more of a established role (although far from a perfect one) would have that effect on his performance, compared to what we saw at the beginning of the season.

Two things to maybe keep in mind. It might also be a fun fact that Rubio often did this starting in february/march of most seasons he was here. That would have to be fact checked but I can remember the point itself being brought up during his first term with Timberwolves more than once and this fits with what has happened this season.

The second thing is that your reasoning for how/why Rubio has improved from early struggles could also work for Dlo's start to the season. Not trying to disagree with you at all on any of this. Just a couple thoughts.

He also gets to play with KAT.

Having better players around always helps. Ricky's been better with KAT, KAT was always better with Ricky, that's exactly what you'd expect. But I'm not sure I want to credit KAT for making Ricky shoot 43.5% from 3 versus less than 20% (IIRC) before Russell went down. I'm also not sure he's the reason Ricky's back to being a great facilitator for everyone (even when Towns is not on the floor) and that his A/TO ratio has skyrocketed. Minutes and a more stable role are far more important than who he's playing with. Everyone should know that when they've seen him share the court with the likes of Derrick Williams, Anthony Tolliver, Wesley Johnson and Anthony Randolph, while still recording a positive +/- when on the floor.

[Jedzz]

Fun fact: since Ricky became the starting PG for good 12 games ago, he's averaged:

11.4 PPG (43.8% FG, 43.5% 3-PT, 80.6% FT), 7.3 APG, 4.1 A:TO RATIO (with a good chunk of his TOs being due to his teammates -mainly Vanderbilt- being unable to catch a pass) in 28 MPG.

Now let's it put in 32 MPG, which is closer to what a true starting PG minutes should be:

13.0 PPG on high efficiency (57.7% TS) and 8.3 APG with an outstanding A:TO ratio. That's on a team that does not utilize him to the best of his strengths and where he's surrounded by non-shooters, no cutters and a bunch of guys who love to handle the ball and call their own numbers.

Who would have thought that him playing as the starter and simply having more of a established role (although far from a perfect one) would have that effect on his performance, compared to what we saw at the beginning of the season.

Two things to maybe keep in mind. It might also be a fun fact that Rubio often did this starting in february/march of most seasons he was here. That would have to be fact checked but I can remember the point itself being brought up during his first term with Timberwolves more than once and this fits with what has happened this season.

The second thing is that your reasoning for how/why Rubio has improved from early struggles could also work for Dlo's start to the season. Not trying to disagree with you at all on any of this. Just a couple thoughts.

As far as i remember, Rubio had historically poor starts every season and turned it around about at all star break. But the past does not really matter that much. He has shown for three seasons outside of Minnesota what he can do now, its just silly reaching for straws to bring up stuff he struggled with before that.

Its obvious that if Rubio started with this exact same roster and the coach would establish a offense that is more efficient, including off ball action, and let Rubio consistently be the primary ball handler (as opposed to now where he has to fight a rookie with very low IQ for the ball every time down the court), the results would be immediate, and very positive. He would draw more attantion from the defense than he does standing in the corner (despite his respectable shooting, see above) and he would find his team mates.
Heres some stuff he did with a team that was new to him, and similar in talent, last year. Notice how he WILL find every cutter and how easy points come to otherwise limited players, because they basically get uncontested layups.

Watch on YouTube

LG. To your first point that I might have been making a silly reach of an explanation, please... You even admit to what I brought up being the case when he was here his first term. I won't deny he's been better with other teams since he left. But this team hasn't operated any better. They haven't prepared to start seasons here any better since he left. So maybe, just maybe that old issue of playing rough to start the season came back because of how unprepared this team is still also impacting him the same as back in the day. Either way, it was just a thought. Nothing I'll defend more than to suggest it's not silly at all.

To your second point, I really do agree. In fact I've been posting about how that impacted all our PGs even since I saw what was going on in preseason. It looked like trash to me in the preseason and I figured the season might already be over before it starts. However, the first two games sort of surprised me as wins and seeing Dlo playing along with the bench role. But that didn't last as soon as Kat went down and Dlo and Rubio were left playing second fiddle to Edwards/Culver. Heck it even made JMac look worse. So I do agree with your thoughts on how their decision to play as they did made it hard on Rubio to be his best. But if you are going to claim that being uncomfortable in this situation was to blame for Rubio missing layups and shots like a bum to start the season (which I also claimed here in a post months ago might be a reason), then you should also agree that it could impact Dlo's shooting and play and Jmac's for that matter. I don't want to put any past words in your mouth but others have really gone after Dlo during Town's outage and most of those people seem or seemed happy with Edwards getting as much time or focus as the team would give him. They didn't see or wouldn't admit what it was doing to our PGs. And to Mattya's point, Rubio is the first to get a stretch with Towns playing now. Frankly, I think it's also possible Rubio has changed gears from being all-team thinking to I'm going to get something for me thinking more and I like it as he's still coming out with many assists and maybe focusing more on himself and being willing to take shots keeps his focus better on his shots. His 23 minute game was outstanding.

[Merc_Porto]

However, the first two games sort of surprised me as wins and seeing Dlo playing along with the bench role. But that didn't last as soon as Kat went down and Dlo and Rubio were left playing second fiddle to Edwards/Culver.

Please, someone tell this guy for the hundredth time that this is just not true. Is just imagination to fit his narrative of excuses for Dlo.

Never Dlo played second field to Edwards/Culver dude.

Use the stats like you did with Jmac once.

[Jedzz]

However, the first two games sort of surprised me as wins and seeing Dlo playing along with the bench role. But that didn't last as soon as Kat went down and Dlo and Rubio were left playing second fiddle to Edwards/Culver.

Please, someone tell this guy for the hundredth time that this is just not true. Is just imagination to fit his narrative of excuses for Dlo.

Never Dlo played second field to Edwards/Culver dude.

Use the stats like you did with Jmac once.

Maybe you need to rewatch the preseason and first ten to fifteen games of this season. I watched them intently and you aren't changing my mind on this with your empty posts. I find it hilarious that some have been trying to use almost the same descriptions of what I've been saying from the start of this season to excuse Rubio's struggles but they won't give the other PGs a pass for the same. It's hilarious that it continues but it's nothing new from people pushing narratives only for their favorite players.

[Sugarless]

Please, someone tell this guy for the hundredth time that this is just not true. Is just imagination to fit his narrative of excuses for Dlo.

Never Dlo played second field to Edwards/Culver dude.

Timberwolves leaders:

USG: Rusell
Touches: Russell
Time of poss: Russell
FGA per 100 poss: Russell
FGA per minute: Russell

[Jedzz]

Please, someone tell this guy for the hundredth time that this is just not true. Is just imagination to fit his narrative of excuses for Dlo.

Never Dlo played second field to Edwards/Culver dude.

Timberwolves leaders:

USG: Rusell
Touches: Russell
Time of poss: Russell
FGA per 100 poss: Russell
FGA per minute: Russell

Neverending BS from some of you.

Last five games. No Dlo. But Kat is playing. Notice also the East teams btw.

L 102-135 CHO
L 99-118 PHO
L112-128 WAS
L 126-133 BUL
L 112-139 MIL

They are 1-9 in the past ten games, 9 straight loss streak with KAT but no Dlo. So...maybe start blaming someone else.

Show the USG,Touches, Time of poss, FGA per 100 poss, FGA per minute of the past nine games. The past 15 games even. I'm certain you won't.

[winforlose]

Please, someone tell this guy for the hundredth time that this is just not true. Is just imagination to fit his narrative of excuses for Dlo.

Never Dlo played second field to Edwards/Culver dude.

Timberwolves leaders:

USG: Rusell
Touches: Russell
Time of poss: Russell
FGA per 100 poss: Russell
FGA per minute: Russell

Neverending BS from some of you.

Last five games. No Dlo. But Kat is playing.

L 102-135 CHO
L 99-118 PHO
L112-128 WAS
L 126-133 BUL
L 112-139 MIL

They are 1-9 in the past ten games, 9 straight loss streak with KAT but no Dlo. So...maybe start blaming someone else.

Show the USG,Touches, Time of poss, FGA per 100 poss, FGA per minute of the past nine games for 500 Alex.

To be fair, the original concept of our offense centers around 3 consistent scores. When KAT went down we saw two wasn’t enough. KAT comes back without Dlo and proves it. Then you remove Beasley without adding back Dlo and can you really expect anything else? Stand around ball is a bad idea with a great starting five, but how is it with two non shooters, (Rubio, Vando,) one thinks he shooter (Edwards,) and some random fill in guy who is either an inconsistent shooter (Layman,) or someone who just isn’t a shooter at all (Okogie.) Rubio is a poor fit for Ryan ball. Finch ball might be better but it’s going to take time to un-gum the works and figure out how to get positive contribution out of limited shooters. Dlo, Rubio, JMAC, non of them have had a chance to play with the healthy roster (more than 2 games,) and none of them have had a chance with a competent coach running a real offense. You don’t know what you got with any of them.

[Merc_Porto]

Please, someone tell this guy for the hundredth time that this is just not true. Is just imagination to fit his narrative of excuses for Dlo.

Never Dlo played second field to Edwards/Culver dude.

Timberwolves leaders:

USG: Rusell
Touches: Russell
Time of poss: Russell
FGA per 100 poss: Russell
FGA per minute: Russell

Thank you
Unfortunely didn't work.

[Jedzz]

Please, someone tell this guy for the hundredth time that this is just not true. Is just imagination to fit his narrative of excuses for Dlo.

Never Dlo played second field to Edwards/Culver dude.

Timberwolves leaders:

USG: Rusell
Touches: Russell
Time of poss: Russell
FGA per 100 poss: Russell
FGA per minute: Russell

Thank you
Unfortunely didn't work.

Unfortunately... errored posting, cherry picking and BS is all some of you have. Can't discuss things honestly with most of this fanbase. No surprise, they follow a team that hasn't honestly tried to win since they hired a new Pobo/GM after running Thibs out, that last guy that tried.

We are down to just a mere few that still post mostly honestly unbiased/objective thoughts no matter the player discussed. Everyone else is on a campaign to change the roster on an individual basis to their imaginations of greatness without the team ever trying to build a team.

Here is my cherry picking statement based on play and stats of the season so far. Ricky Rubio now has the best game played by a guard in a game under 24 minutes this year for Wolves. Even with all the guards, he's got one of the best games played in the books. I know I'm recently, right now, arguing with Rubiobobos, but I can still make statements like that. Because I have no individual player agenda. These guys can't say one good thing about those they want to see gone, because...agendas. I still think Rubio should be traded for the teams sake or for Rubio's sake unless they are going to send both Edwards/Culver out in trades and maybe Okogie as well.

[RiRuHoops]

. Because I have no individual player agenda.

HUH ?