Official Anthony Edwards Thread

[Heimdal]

Edwards has been really inefficient, but if you cannot see the difference between Edwards/Okogie and their inefficiencies you're clueless.

If all you get out of my post is that I think Edwards and Okogie are similar, I don't know what to tell you.

Edwards has been a bad, inefficient shooter all his life. To the point, Josh Okogie (who everybody hates because he can't make a bucket) shoots better than him.

Instead of teaching him team basketball and efficiency, plus effort and awareness on defense, he's given the green light to keep every bad habit in his arsenal. And still, after yet another embarrasing loss, he will get all the love, and all the green lights he wants to keep doing the same. There are no demands, just get out there and have fun! It's the Timberwolves' way to perennial mediocrity.

What could go wrong? Guaranteed development right there.

Imagine Popovic coaching Edwards.

[winforlose]

The Wolves "took Russell on a helicopter ride over Los Angeles, before delivering him to a private locale for a recruitment presentation they’d been planning the previous month," Slater wrote. "On the helicopter trip back, good vibes in the air, news broke of Russell’s near agreement with the Warriors. Phones buzzed. The mood in the cabin changed. The rest of the date sounded quite uncomfortable."

1. I don't think you're following me here... I'm not blaming Russell... as much as the Wolves. Whether Russell was 23 or 33... doesn't matter... why would you mortgage your future for that type of guy? Accountability... from the Wolves. They keep proving that they lack it — and we've seen how that's translated throughout the organization and onto the court.

2. Trades are ultimately judged by results. The concern was always "but what if the pairing doesn't work... that pick could be good?" Well... here we are. The trade has not worked out. In the annals of history, the reasoning won't matter IF the Wolves lose a very high draft pick to the Warriors. The trade will be a bust.

I respect your opinion on both issues I just happen to disagree. With regard to the Wolves organization, they knew it was likely they end up with Dlo, so rolling out the red carpet isn’t embarrassing or wasteful. You could argue we overpaid Beasley given his legal drama, but we paid what he should have been worth to build loyalty. Likewise we treat Dlo well because we want him to know we value him. No one likes to be turned down for a date, much less to see the person out with someone else right after rejecting us. That said, a no today is not no forever and a patient and well behaved suitor can sometimes be rewarded.

As to your other point, if Wiggins turned into a triple double machine then people would be blaming Rosas. If we lose a good pick people will blame Rosas. But if KAT had stayed healthy and Dlo stayed healthy, and Culver and Okogie stayed healthy, and MB didn’t get suspended, then we might be in the playoff hunt and people would be calling Rosas a genius (like they were when the trade was made.) The measure of a good trade is more than just outcomes, it is probabilities. We are in an improbably bad spot, that doesn’t mean we deserve to be.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The Wolves "took Russell on a helicopter ride over Los Angeles, before delivering him to a private locale for a recruitment presentation they’d been planning the previous month," Slater wrote. "On the helicopter trip back, good vibes in the air, news broke of Russell’s near agreement with the Warriors. Phones buzzed. The mood in the cabin changed. The rest of the date sounded quite uncomfortable."

1. I don't think you're following me here... I'm not blaming Russell... as much as the Wolves. Whether Russell was 23 or 33... doesn't matter... why would you mortgage your future for that type of guy? Accountability... from the Wolves. They keep proving that they lack it — and we've seen how that's translated throughout the organization and onto the court.

2. Trades are ultimately judged by results. The concern was always "but what if the pairing doesn't work... that pick could be good?" Well... here we are. The trade has not worked out. In the annals of history, the reasoning won't matter IF the Wolves lose a very high draft pick to the Warriors. The trade will be a bust.

With regard to the Wolves organization, they knew it was likely they end up with Dlo, so rolling out the red carpet isn’t embarrassing or wasteful.

Again... I don't have an issue with the Wolves putting Russell on that helicopter and wooing him. I don't have an issue with Russell joining GSW.

I have an issue with the Wolves continuing to woo a player for months after the ride... after he didn't have the maturity to tell them face-to-face that he'd already signed with another team before the helicopter ride. That TYPE of person is the type Rosas believed could be a foundational piece for the organization?

Accountability. It's been an ongoing issue for the Wolves.

[winforlose]

The Wolves "took Russell on a helicopter ride over Los Angeles, before delivering him to a private locale for a recruitment presentation they’d been planning the previous month," Slater wrote. "On the helicopter trip back, good vibes in the air, news broke of Russell’s near agreement with the Warriors. Phones buzzed. The mood in the cabin changed. The rest of the date sounded quite uncomfortable."

1. I don't think you're following me here... I'm not blaming Russell... as much as the Wolves. Whether Russell was 23 or 33... doesn't matter... why would you mortgage your future for that type of guy? Accountability... from the Wolves. They keep proving that they lack it — and we've seen how that's translated throughout the organization and onto the court.

2. Trades are ultimately judged by results. The concern was always "but what if the pairing doesn't work... that pick could be good?" Well... here we are. The trade has not worked out. In the annals of history, the reasoning won't matter IF the Wolves lose a very high draft pick to the Warriors. The trade will be a bust.

With regard to the Wolves organization, they knew it was likely they end up with Dlo, so rolling out the red carpet isn’t embarrassing or wasteful.

Again... I don't have an issue with the Wolves putting Russell on that helicopter and wooing him. I don't have an issue with Russell joining GSW.

I have an issue with the Wolves continuing to woo a player for months after the ride... after he didn't have the maturity to tell them face-to-face that he'd already signed with another team before the helicopter ride. That TYPE of person is the type Rosas believed could be a foundational piece for the organization?

Accountability. It's been an ongoing issue for the Wolves.

Okay, I understand your position, but please try to understand mine. The last truly good PG the wolves had (unless you count Teague in first year here and that is a tough sell,) was Sam Cassell in 03-04. I know Dlo has character issues going back to his time in LA. That said, he was 23 years old and best friends with a Star we were worried would want to leave. Some things are more important than pride. As for accountability, it’s on the court that he has to be held accountable, not off the court. Rosas decided that without a true PG we were not going anywhere and I happen to agree. Find me another PG for similar money who also happens to be 23 and motivated to stay for another contract because of his ties to our best player and then we can talk.

[jpatrick]

My problem with DLo is not all the wooing, etc. it’s the original player evaluation. DLo is not a winning player. He’s a good stats on a bad (at best mediocre) kind of guy. He plays no defense, stops ball movement, and doesn’t make other better.

This is the guy that he put the entire franchise and his job on the line for? To me, Rosas’ #1 job is talent evaluation and he’s been horrid.

The only thing that can save his job at this point is getting lucky in the lotto again and Cade Cunningham becoming an instant superstar. So, that is what, a 14% chance? Good luck Gerson.

I’m usually such an optimist. But this Ball/Edwards thing has killed my Wolves fandom. Seemed so obvious at the time. Was hoping for the best after the draft but turned out like it obviously was going to.

[winforlose]

My problem with DLo is not all the wooing, etc. it’s the original player evaluation. DLo is not a winning player. He’s a good stats on a bad (at best mediocre) kind of guy. He plays no defense, stops ball movement, and doesn’t make other better.

This is the guy that he put the entire franchise and his job on the line for? To me, Rosas’ #1 job is talent evaluation and he’s been horrid.

The only thing that can save his job at this point is getting lucky in the lotto again and Cade Cunningham becoming an instant superstar. So, that is what, a 14% chance? Good luck Gerson.

I’m usually such an optimist. But this Ball/Edwards thing has killed my Wolves fandom. Seemed so obvious at the time. Was hoping for the best after the draft but turned out like it obviously was going to.

Stopping ball movement is a choice. Not making others better is as much a function of the system as it is the player. Not playing defense is totally on him. He needs to improve his technique and put in the work. KAT did it this season (though there is still a long list of things his does wrong,) Dlo can too. Dlo opens the floor with his shooting. What he lacks in penetration he makes up for in off ball skills and shooting. The goal of this coach is to run the offense through KAT. With Beasley and Dlo he can.

[Ambrose]

Good lord people, LaMelo having a better rookie year than Edwards doesn't mean we blew the pick. That happening was as close to a guarantee as you can get.

Ant has every bit of talent LaMelo does plus a ton more athleticism. The way he has flashed has shown me that he can be a legit wing sized version of Donovan Mitchell who absolutely contributes to winning. We've seen growth in Ants game as the season has gone on, this isn't Wiggins where he was the same player his entire run here. Ant is eager to learn and is going to make mistakes due to being inexperienced but I'm completely encouraged by things he's shown so far, and I say that as someone who didn't want to draft him.

Wiggins actually pretty clearly improved more over the season than Edwards has so far when you look at monthly stats for their rookie seasons.

[Jedzz]

Edwards has been really inefficient, but if you cannot see the difference between Edwards/Okogie and their inefficiencies you're clueless.

If all you get out of my post is that I think Edwards and Okogie are similar, I don't know what to tell you.

Edwards has been a bad, inefficient shooter all his life. To the point, Josh Okogie (who everybody hates because he can't make a bucket) shoots better than him.

Instead of teaching him team basketball and efficiency, plus effort and awareness on defense, he's given the green light to keep every bad habit in his arsenal. And still, after yet another embarrasing loss, he will get all the love, and all the green lights he wants to keep doing the same. There are no demands, just get out there and have fun! It's the Timberwolves' way to perennial mediocrity.

What could go wrong? Guaranteed development right there.

Imagine Popovic coaching Edwards.

+10

[Jedzz]

1. I'm 100% fine with Russell signing with the Warriors. My point was that he STILL went on the Wolves PR pitch meeting after signing with the Warriors... never telling the Wolves that the pursuit was over. Why?

That's incredibly immature. Cowardly. Entitled. Et al. Yet the Wolves shrugged it off and kept pursuing him. It's yet another sign how the organization has had an accountability issue for a long time. The Wolves acted like a boyfriend... who took his lying, cheating girl back no questions asked.

I don't think it went down this way. Once it was known that Warriors were wanting to utilize Dlo as a placeholder for a max slot everything changed. You can't fault Dlo for wanting to sign a deal that the Wolves were not capable of offering at the time. I believe Rosas was working with Warriors at this point. I believe Dlo knew. I believe the conversations probably took place, he goes there for a partial year until trade deadline, then he comes here. That's why the TImberwolves took on players from the Warriors that June or July. You can check the dates, they line up. Rosas took some of Warriors cap space and Warrirors got TPEs for it. This allowed Warriors to create a max slot. This was just a tool to get the guy they want for that spot in the future. Dlo holds it temporarily, then Wiggins holds it temporarily, and when the time comes Wiggins is traded when they bring in a player they really wanted for that slot.

Klay getting hurt again destroyed the timing, along with a weak top of draft hype. The Warriors still have their max slot being held down by Wiggins. Wolves got to move on from Wiggins and they got Dlo. Everyone's happy if Covid doesn't ruin everything, Klay doesn't get hurt, if Kat's mom doesnt die, if Rosas doesn't make 2 to 3 rotten offseason choices(Hi Edwards), coaches and Rosas don't misuse the roster, Kat doesn't hurt his wrist this season, and now Dlo having scoped knee surgery doesn't happen. Just this team's luck more than usual.

[AbeVigodaLive]

1. I'm 100% fine with Russell signing with the Warriors. My point was that he STILL went on the Wolves PR pitch meeting after signing with the Warriors... never telling the Wolves that the pursuit was over. Why?

That's incredibly immature. Cowardly. Entitled. Et al. Yet the Wolves shrugged it off and kept pursuing him. It's yet another sign how the organization has had an accountability issue for a long time. The Wolves acted like a boyfriend... who took his lying, cheating girl back no questions asked.

I don't think it went down this way. Once it was known that Warriors were wanting to utilize Dlo as a placeholder for a max slot everything changed. You can't fault Dlo for wanting to sign a deal that the Wolves were not capable of offering at the time. I believe Rosas was working with Warriors at this point. I believe Dlo knew. I believe the conversations probably took place, he goes there for a partial year until trade deadline, then he comes here. That's why the TImberwolves took on players from the Warriors that June or July. You can check the dates, they line up. Rosas took some of Warriors cap space and Warrirors got TPEs for it. This allowed Warriors to create a max slot. This was just a tool to get the guy they want for that spot in the future. Dlo holds it temporarily, then Wiggins holds it temporarily, and when the time comes Wiggins is traded when they bring in a player they really wanted for that slot.

Klay getting hurt again destroyed the timing, along with a weak top of draft hype. The Warriors still have their max slot being held down by Wiggins. Wolves got to move on from Wiggins and they got Dlo. Everyone's happy if Covid doesn't ruin everything, Klay doesn't get hurt, if Kat's mom doesnt die, if Rosas doesn't make 2 to 3 rotten offseason choices(Hi Edwards), coaches and Rosas don't misuse the roster, Kat doesn't hurt his wrist this season, and now Dlo having scoped knee surgery doesn't happen. Just this team's luck more than usual.

So the reports of Russell not telling the Wolves about signing with GSW... and the Wolves finding out while on the helicopter with him... are false?





[Note: They could be... I dunno. I'm just going by Anthony Slater's report at the time citing anonymous sources.]

[Jedzz]

1. I'm 100% fine with Russell signing with the Warriors. My point was that he STILL went on the Wolves PR pitch meeting after signing with the Warriors... never telling the Wolves that the pursuit was over. Why?

That's incredibly immature. Cowardly. Entitled. Et al. Yet the Wolves shrugged it off and kept pursuing him. It's yet another sign how the organization has had an accountability issue for a long time. The Wolves acted like a boyfriend... who took his lying, cheating girl back no questions asked.

I don't think it went down this way. Once it was known that Warriors were wanting to utilize Dlo as a placeholder for a max slot everything changed. You can't fault Dlo for wanting to sign a deal that the Wolves were not capable of offering at the time. I believe Rosas was working with Warriors at this point. I believe Dlo knew. I believe the conversations probably took place, he goes there for a partial year until trade deadline, then he comes here. That's why the TImberwolves took on players from the Warriors that June or July. You can check the dates, they line up. Rosas took some of Warriors cap space and Warrirors got TPEs for it. This allowed Warriors to create a max slot. This was just a tool to get the guy they want for that spot in the future. Dlo holds it temporarily, then Wiggins holds it temporarily, and when the time comes Wiggins is traded when they bring in a player they really wanted for that slot.

Klay getting hurt again destroyed the timing, along with a weak top of draft hype. The Warriors still have their max slot being held down by Wiggins. Wolves got to move on from Wiggins and they got Dlo. Everyone's happy if Covid doesn't ruin everything, Klay doesn't get hurt, if Kat's mom doesnt die, if Rosas doesn't make 2 to 3 rotten offseason choices(Hi Edwards), coaches and Rosas don't misuse the roster, Kat doesn't hurt his wrist this season, and now Dlo having scoped knee surgery doesn't happen. Just this team's luck more than usual.

So the reports of Russell not telling the Wolves about signing with GSW... and the Wolves finding out while on the helicopter with him... are false?





[Note: They could be... I dunno. I'm just going by Anthony Slater's report at the time citing anonymous sources.]

Sure I believe those are false or at the very least innacurate. Doesn't mean someone didn't tell Slater that. They might be fairytales the teams had to tell. I'm not even sure if that kind of cooperation between teams is legal or not. It might be, it might not be. I certainly wouldn't write it down on a napkin how you already have a locker set up for Dlo for after the trade deadline deal they all knew was coming months later. All of this is cap circumnavigation and two teams got together and made it happen for both teams benefit. I can point to that one example of Rosas taking on a couple Warriors players for nothing at the very time of all those moves but you have to walk the rest of the way. Doesn't seem like anyone is going to be willing to admit it.

As far as the validity of cited reports goes, just because something is passed from a team to media doesn't mean it's factual information. It's just what the teams want people to hear in the media. Just like fake rumors before a draft. We can cite the rumored reports and their still might be zero truth behind them. Once upon a time jounalists used to have to fact check their sources and sometimes had to let a story die without reporting it because it just couldn't be proven. Today, you just need a source saying something, anything, and it gets reported. Hey, Slater could have gotten this verified from both teams even. Still doesn't mean it really went down that way.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I don't think it went down this way. Once it was known that Warriors were wanting to utilize Dlo as a placeholder for a max slot everything changed. You can't fault Dlo for wanting to sign a deal that the Wolves were not capable of offering at the time. I believe Rosas was working with Warriors at this point. I believe Dlo knew. I believe the conversations probably took place, he goes there for a partial year until trade deadline, then he comes here. That's why the TImberwolves took on players from the Warriors that June or July. You can check the dates, they line up. Rosas took some of Warriors cap space and Warrirors got TPEs for it. This allowed Warriors to create a max slot. This was just a tool to get the guy they want for that spot in the future. Dlo holds it temporarily, then Wiggins holds it temporarily, and when the time comes Wiggins is traded when they bring in a player they really wanted for that slot.

Klay getting hurt again destroyed the timing, along with a weak top of draft hype. The Warriors still have their max slot being held down by Wiggins. Wolves got to move on from Wiggins and they got Dlo. Everyone's happy if Covid doesn't ruin everything, Klay doesn't get hurt, if Kat's mom doesnt die, if Rosas doesn't make 2 to 3 rotten offseason choices(Hi Edwards), coaches and Rosas don't misuse the roster, Kat doesn't hurt his wrist this season, and now Dlo having scoped knee surgery doesn't happen. Just this team's luck more than usual.

So the reports of Russell not telling the Wolves about signing with GSW... and the Wolves finding out while on the helicopter with him... are false?





[Note: They could be... I dunno. I'm just going by Anthony Slater's report at the time citing anonymous sources.]

Sure I believe those are false or at the very least innacurate. Doesn't mean someone didn't tell Slater that. They might be fairytales the teams had to tell. I'm not even sure if that kind of cooperation between teams is legal or not. It might be, it might not be. I certainly wouldn't write it down on a napkin how you already have a locker set up for Dlo for after the trade deadline deal they all knew was coming months later. All of this is cap circumnavigation and two teams got together and made it happen for both teams benefit. I can point to that one example of Rosas taking on a couple Warriors players for nothing at the very time of all those moves but you have to walk the rest of the way. Doesn't seem like anyone is going to be willing to admit it.

As far as the validity of cited reports goes, just because something is passed from a team to media doesn't mean it's factual information. It's just what the teams want people to hear in the media. Just like fake rumors before a draft. We can cite the rumored reports and their still might be zero truth behind them. Once upon a time jounalists used to have to fact check their sources and sometimes had to let a story die without reporting it because it just couldn't be proven. Today, you just need a source saying something, anything, and it gets reported. Hey, Slater could have gotten this verified from both teams even. Still doesn't mean it really went down that way.

OK. So one or both teams leaked that information to make Russell look bad?

But why? They could have leaked 1,000 other "fake" things without making Russell look immature and entitled...

[Jedzz]

OK. So one or both teams leaked that information to make Russell look bad?

But why? They could have leaked 1,000 other "fake" things without making Russell look immature and entitled...

I think that is just your opinion on it making Russell look immature and entitled. I for one don't see it that way. At face value if you believe it all I see a number events happening at once and a guy getting a call and an offer of a max deal and jumping at the extra millions. What should have been handled differently? Maybe that phone call comes five minutes before jumping on a team helicopter/plane. We don't know the real timelines of any of this. What if the Warriors offer comes after the trip and after an interview with Wolves that goes well where Russell tells them he's all in? Would you expect him to take 20/year for 4 years with MN or take the 30/yr for 5 with Warriors? What would you do? All we really know is he got offered a Max deal that MN couldn't offer at the time.

I've been offered two jobs on the same day twice in my life. Because if I'm looking for one job I'm not just looking in one place. If lucky enough you get more then one offer and sometimes they come at almost the same time, and you have no choice but to dissapoint one of those companies. It felt hard for me both times for both not being sure which one to take and for having to speak to one turning them down. Each time, the one I turned down seemed a little mad about it and both times that surprised me. You would think they would understand you had to try at more than one company, but they don't. You didn't choose them. They went through the trouble and time to finally select you and then you walk on them. So I can kind of get that to. So when you describe your take on what was reported I just see it as a different kind of perspective.

As for what they said or "leaked". I don't know. Maybe it was just something someone said in the moment and everyone just kind of had to stick with the story. Maybe it went down exactly with the reported timing but Russell hadn't yet signed on the dotted line and was mulling over the possibility of turning down the max and wanted to speak with Wovles first. How can we know? We can't and I think it's wrong to continue to try or continue to hold ill will over something we can't know.

[AbeVigodaLive]

OK. So one or both teams leaked that information to make Russell look bad?

But why? They could have leaked 1,000 other "fake" things without making Russell look immature and entitled...

I think that is just your opinion on it making Russell look immature and entitled. I for one don't see it that way. At face value if you believe it all I see a number events happening at once and a guy getting a call and an offer of a max deal and jumping at the extra millions. What should have been handled differently? Maybe that phone call comes five minutes before jumping on a team helicopter/plane. We don't know the real timelines of any of this. What if the Warriors offer comes after the trip and after an interview with Wolves that goes well where Russell tells them he's all in? Would you expect him to take 20/year for 4 years with MN or take the 30/yr for 5 with Warriors? What would you do? All we really know is he got offered a Max deal that MN couldn't offer at the time.

I've been offered two jobs on the same day twice in my life. Because if I'm looking for one job I'm not just looking in one place. If lucky enough you get more then one offer and sometimes they come at almost the same time, and you have no choice but to dissapoint one of those companies. It felt hard for me both times for both not being sure which one to take and for having to speak to one turning them down. Each time, the one I turned down seemed a little mad about it and both times that surprised me. You would think they would understand you had to try at more than one company, but they don't. You didn't choose them. They went through the trouble and time to finally select you and then you walk on them. So I can kind of get that to. So when you describe your take on what was reported I just see it as a different kind of perspective.

As for what they said or "leaked". I don't know. Maybe it was just something someone said in the moment and everyone just kind of had to stick with the story. Maybe it went down exactly with the reported timing but Russell hadn't yet signed on the dotted line and was mulling over the possibility of turning down the max and wanted to speak with Wovles first. How can we know? We can't and I think it's wrong to continue to try or continue to hold ill will over something we can't know.

What?

Again... I don't fault Russell for taking more money. Or choosing the better organization. I've stated this repeatedly.

Whether he signed with Golden State two days prior... 5 minutes prior... or 5 seconds prior... simply tell the Wolves you signed with GSW. That's the rational adult approach that I'm nearly positive every adult I've ever met would do. We can rationalize why Russell didn't do this... but that's too much unnecessary conjecture and assumptions and guesswork.

How is this THIS much of a discussion point?

[Jedzz]

OK. So one or both teams leaked that information to make Russell look bad?

But why? They could have leaked 1,000 other "fake" things without making Russell look immature and entitled...

I think that is just your opinion on it making Russell look immature and entitled. I for one don't see it that way. At face value if you believe it all I see a number events happening at once and a guy getting a call and an offer of a max deal and jumping at the extra millions. What should have been handled differently? ...

What?

Again... I don't fault Russell for taking more money. Or choosing the better organization. I've stated this repeatedly.

Whether he signed with Golden State two days prior... 5 minutes prior... or 5 seconds prior... simply tell the Wolves you signed with GSW. That's the rational adult approach that I'm nearly positive every adult I've ever met would do. We can rationalize why Russell didn't do this... but that's too much unnecessary conjecture and assumptions and guesswork.

How is this THIS much of a discussion point?

You are the one calling him immature and acting entitled. I guess that's why the discussion is needed. I feel you are off base carrying that feeling forward in posts still. You don't really know what went into this. I feel that much is clear.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I think that is just your opinion on it making Russell look immature and entitled. I for one don't see it that way. At face value if you believe it all I see a number events happening at once and a guy getting a call and an offer of a max deal and jumping at the extra millions. What should have been handled differently? ...

What?

Again... I don't fault Russell for taking more money. Or choosing the better organization. I've stated this repeatedly.

Whether he signed with Golden State two days prior... 5 minutes prior... or 5 seconds prior... simply tell the Wolves you signed with GSW. That's the rational adult approach that I'm nearly positive every adult I've ever met would do. We can rationalize why Russell didn't do this... but that's too much unnecessary conjecture and assumptions and guesswork.

How is this THIS much of a discussion point?

You are the one calling him immature and acting entitled. I guess that's why the discussion is needed. I feel you are off base carrying that feeling forward in posts still. You don't really know what went into this. I feel that much is clear.

I'm simply going by what's been reported.

You're going by your own theories, conjectures and assumptions.

You win this round.

[jscott]

This thread seems to have derailed into a Russell hate thread. Can we get back on track maybe?

[Jedzz]

What?

Again... I don't fault Russell for taking more money. Or choosing the better organization. I've stated this repeatedly.

Whether he signed with Golden State two days prior... 5 minutes prior... or 5 seconds prior... simply tell the Wolves you signed with GSW. That's the rational adult approach that I'm nearly positive every adult I've ever met would do. We can rationalize why Russell didn't do this... but that's too much unnecessary conjecture and assumptions and guesswork.

How is this THIS much of a discussion point?

You are the one calling him immature and acting entitled. I guess that's why the discussion is needed. I feel you are off base carrying that feeling forward in posts still. You don't really know what went into this. I feel that much is clear.

I'm simply going by what's been reported.

You're going by your own theories, conjectures and assumptions.

You win this round.

Not looking for a win, and yes I'm just going off my own theories and conjecture. We will never know.

[Jedzz]

This thread seems to have derailed into a Russell hate thread. Can we get back on track maybe?

Get it back to being a Edwards hate thread? I'm in.

Don't want to haterade on Edwards but it is what it is. He can't control himself and the coaches have yet to control him, develop him, steer him. Just allowing him to chuck it. I want him traded before another 6 years of this kind of thing happens all over again.

Wiggins of Warriors in March 3rd loss to Portland by 2 pts. Wiggins: 37 mins, 15 shots 14 points. No blocks/steals. 5 rebounds.
Most minutes of all Warriors that day. Should be in his prime right now. 29.5 million. Hey, at least Wiggins isn't chucking.

[Baseline81]

Here's what I don't understand:

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If those stats are correct, there can only be one of two things happening. One, Edwards is allowed or told to shoot from the outside as much as he. Two, he's not listening to the coaches.

Obviously, neither is good...