"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[Fierce1]

Im starting to talk myself into a Lonzo trade, assuming he's avbl.

If the Cs could manage to dump Kemba, and trade for Ball and Barnes... man. Ball/JB/JT/Barnes/Rob would be such a nice core to watch develop.

Is dumping Kemba the answer? I mean he’s looking better, I guess moving ball into a starting roll gives more movement but then you put a lot more on the jays shoulders for scoring.

Moving Kemba should be the main priority.

Not only is he a defensively liability, there's also no good ball movement if he's running the show.

If Kemba is shooting well, the Celts usually win.
But if Kemba is not shooting well, Celts usually lose.

Kemba is just a scorer who doesn't make other players better.

The problem is the majority believes moving Kemba on or before the trade deadline is unlikely.

[Duke4life831]

Im starting to talk myself into a Lonzo trade, assuming he's avbl.

If the Cs could manage to dump Kemba, and trade for Ball and Barnes... man. Ball/JB/JT/Barnes/Rob would be such a nice core to watch develop.

Is dumping Kemba the answer? I mean he’s looking better, I guess moving ball into a starting roll gives more movement but then you put a lot more on the jays shoulders for scoring.

Lonzo would definitely be an upgrade for the team. His defense is much much better than Kemba's, then on the offensive end. Lonzo is becoming very good at moving off the ball and is a hell of a catch and shoot threat. He also is extremely smart with the ball and good at finding what is available to him. Now him creating in the half court is not his strength. But that is why he is a good fit with the Pels right now because the Pels have Zion and Ingram who both excel at creating in the half court. So Lonzo plugs in perfectly with them. Which is why the Pels since moving to a more Zion/Ingram oriented offense they have had the 3rd best offense in the league, even though they're led by two 23 year olds and a 20 year old.

If the plan is to move forward with Tatum/Brown leading the offense, you cant ask for a better PG to pair up with them than Lonzo. But if Brown isnt a guy that can create for himself consistently in the half court, Lonzo isnt really going to help out there. That just isnt his strength at the moment. His strength in the half court is off ball movement, catch and shoot and smart with the ball when it is in his hands.

[Fierce1]

Lonzo would definitely be an upgrade for the team. His defense is much much better than Kemba's, then on the offensive end. Lonzo is becoming very good at moving off the ball and is a hell of a catch and shoot threat. He also is extremely smart with the ball and good at finding what is available to him. Now him creating in the half court is not his strength. But that is why he is a good fit with the Pels right now because the Pels have Zion and Ingram who both excel at creating in the half court. So Lonzo plugs in perfectly with them.

If the plan is to move forward with Tatum/Brown leading the offense, you cant ask for a better PG to pair up with them than Lonzo. But if Brown isnt a guy that can create for himself consistently in the half court, Lonzo isnt really going to help out there. That just isnt his strength at the moment. His strength in the half court is off ball movement, catch and shoot and smart with the ball when it is in his hands.

I agree with you about Lonzo, especially his defense.

I would trade Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen for Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick.

[reload141]

Someone.... anyone..... trade something.

And a more significant trade than that Detroit one please.

[Feed Your Head]

Lonzo would definitely be an upgrade for the team. His defense is much much better than Kemba's, then on the offensive end. Lonzo is becoming very good at moving off the ball and is a hell of a catch and shoot threat. He also is extremely smart with the ball and good at finding what is available to him. Now him creating in the half court is not his strength. But that is why he is a good fit with the Pels right now because the Pels have Zion and Ingram who both excel at creating in the half court. So Lonzo plugs in perfectly with them.

If the plan is to move forward with Tatum/Brown leading the offense, you cant ask for a better PG to pair up with them than Lonzo. But if Brown isnt a guy that can create for himself consistently in the half court, Lonzo isnt really going to help out there. That just isnt his strength at the moment. His strength in the half court is off ball movement, catch and shoot and smart with the ball when it is in his hands.

I agree with you about Lonzo, especially his defense.

I would trade Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen for Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick.

Why would the pelicans do that though? We need to consider both teams.

We’d have to throw picks in there, and probably RW/Nesmith instead of Grant/Carsen. Kemba has a HORRIBLE contract.

[Feed Your Head]

Someone.... anyone..... trade something.

And a more significant trade than that Detroit one please.

Can we trade posters to other boards?

[Fierce1]

Why would the pelicans do that though? We need to consider both teams.

We’d have to throw picks in there, and probably RW/Nesmith instead of Grant/Carsen. Kemba has a HORRIBLE contract.

Yes, the Celts would have to throw picks in there.

Kemba would be their 3rd star player.

Only way this deal happens is if the Pels don't want to give Lonzo a big contract.
If the Pels think Lonzo is part of their future plans then disregard this trade proposal.

[Feed Your Head]

Why would the pelicans do that though? We need to consider both teams.

We’d have to throw picks in there, and probably RW/Nesmith instead of Grant/Carsen. Kemba has a HORRIBLE contract.

Yes, the Celts would have to throw picks in there.

Kemba would be their 3rd star player.

Only way this deal happens is if the Pels don't want to give Lonzo a big contract.
If the Pels think Lonzo is part of their future plans then disregard this trade proposal.

Even if they don’t think he is, they don’t want Kemba there keeping the ball out of Ingram and Zions hands.

[BostonCouchGM]

We don't really have the ammo it seems. Huh.

Surprising considering how well the Celtics have drafted the last 2-3 years

huh? 2019 was disastrous and trading away the #30 pick last draft with so much talent still on the board while Semi, Grant Williams, Edwards, etc languish on our bench wasn't much better.

[reload141]

Someone.... anyone..... trade something.

And a more significant trade than that Detroit one please.

Can we trade posters to other boards?

Pretty sure we can.


P.s. Parl, you got that trade request for Comedian...... right?

[BostonCouchGM]

Im starting to talk myself into a Lonzo trade, assuming he's avbl.

If the Cs could manage to dump Kemba, and trade for Ball and Barnes... man. Ball/JB/JT/Barnes/Rob would be such a nice core to watch develop.

Is dumping Kemba the answer? I mean he’s looking better, I guess moving ball into a starting roll gives more movement but then you put a lot more on the jays shoulders for scoring.

Lonzo would definitely be an upgrade for the team. His defense is much much better than Kemba's, then on the offensive end. Lonzo is becoming very good at moving off the ball and is a hell of a catch and shoot threat. He also is extremely smart with the ball and good at finding what is available to him. Now him creating in the half court is not his strength. But that is why he is a good fit with the Pels right now because the Pels have Zion and Ingram who both excel at creating in the half court. So Lonzo plugs in perfectly with them. Which is why the Pels since moving to a more Zion/Ingram oriented offense they have had the 3rd best offense in the league, even though they're led by two 23 year olds and a 20 year old.

If the plan is to move forward with Tatum/Brown leading the offense, you cant ask for a better PG to pair up with them than Lonzo. But if Brown isnt a guy that can create for himself consistently in the half court, Lonzo isnt really going to help out there. That just isnt his strength at the moment. His strength in the half court is off ball movement, catch and shoot and smart with the ball when it is in his hands.

such a tired, played out and false narrative.

[Duke4life831]

Lonzo would definitely be an upgrade for the team. His defense is much much better than Kemba's, then on the offensive end. Lonzo is becoming very good at moving off the ball and is a hell of a catch and shoot threat. He also is extremely smart with the ball and good at finding what is available to him. Now him creating in the half court is not his strength. But that is why he is a good fit with the Pels right now because the Pels have Zion and Ingram who both excel at creating in the half court. So Lonzo plugs in perfectly with them.

If the plan is to move forward with Tatum/Brown leading the offense, you cant ask for a better PG to pair up with them than Lonzo. But if Brown isnt a guy that can create for himself consistently in the half court, Lonzo isnt really going to help out there. That just isnt his strength at the moment. His strength in the half court is off ball movement, catch and shoot and smart with the ball when it is in his hands.

I agree with you about Lonzo, especially his defense.

I would trade Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen for Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick.

The problem with that though is what is the benefit from the Pels point of view?

The Pels have no issue with the offensive side of the ball, right around the start of February we saw a clear shift from a Lonzo/Bledsoe run offense to a Zion/Ingram led offense. 120.3 Offensive Rating since February 1st (Nets #1 with 120.7).

So Kemba is a funky fit with the Pels. Kemba holds the ball much longer than Lonzo and again Kemba just would mess up the Zion/Ingram thing the Pels have going on. Then defensively the Pels stink and replacing Lonzo with Kemba doesnt make any sense. So I really dont see much value from the Pels perspective when it comes to Kemba. That is just thinking about on the court and not bringing in his contract.

Then for the rest, Carsen is pretty much not needed for the Pels. They already got a NAW who was a top 20 pick last year and Kira who was a lotto pick this year as young guards on their bench. And I dont see them pairing Zion and Grant Williams together on the court, so not seeing huge value for Williams as well.

The benefit the Pels get with this is dumping Beldsoe's contract. But they would just be replacing it with a contract that is twice the size and for a year longer.

I think if there is any hope of using Kemba to try and get Lonzo (I dont think Lonzo is available anymore though), a 3rd team would need to be involved to take Kemba.

[Fierce1]

Even if they don’t think he is, they don’t want Kemba there keeping the ball out of Ingram and Zions hands.

That depends on how they view Kemba Walker.

Kemba's a great guy.

He could be the veteran presence the Pels need.

It's not like the Pels are a playoff team right now.
Clearly they're lacking something.

[Celts17Pride]

We don't really have the ammo it seems. Huh.

Surprising considering how well the Celtics have drafted the last 2-3 years

huh? 2019 was disastrous and trading away the #30 pick last draft with so much talent still on the board while Semi, Grant Williams, Edwards, etc languish on our bench wasn't much better.

Sarcasm

[Feed Your Head]

Someone.... anyone..... trade something.

And a more significant trade than that Detroit one please.

Can we trade posters to other boards?

Pretty sure we can.


P.s. Parl, you got that trade request for Comedian...... right?

Thank god.

Can only carry the board so far.

[Duke4life831]

Is dumping Kemba the answer? I mean he’s looking better, I guess moving ball into a starting roll gives more movement but then you put a lot more on the jays shoulders for scoring.

Lonzo would definitely be an upgrade for the team. His defense is much much better than Kemba's, then on the offensive end. Lonzo is becoming very good at moving off the ball and is a hell of a catch and shoot threat. He also is extremely smart with the ball and good at finding what is available to him. Now him creating in the half court is not his strength. But that is why he is a good fit with the Pels right now because the Pels have Zion and Ingram who both excel at creating in the half court. So Lonzo plugs in perfectly with them. Which is why the Pels since moving to a more Zion/Ingram oriented offense they have had the 3rd best offense in the league, even though they're led by two 23 year olds and a 20 year old.

If the plan is to move forward with Tatum/Brown leading the offense, you cant ask for a better PG to pair up with them than Lonzo. But if Brown isnt a guy that can create for himself consistently in the half court, Lonzo isnt really going to help out there. That just isnt his strength at the moment. His strength in the half court is off ball movement, catch and shoot and smart with the ball when it is in his hands.

such a tired, played out and false narrative.

Ive watched every UCLA game Lonzo played in and I have not missed a Pels game yet in the past 2 years. Ive seen plenty of Lonzo and Im a huge fan of Lonzo's. So Im not going off of some repeated narrative Ive heard. Going off my own eyes and the stats. Lonzo has zero 1 on 1 isolation ability in the half court.

[GoCeltics123]

Can we trade posters to other boards?

Pretty sure we can.


P.s. Parl, you got that trade request for Comedian...... right?

Thank god.

Can only carry the board so far.

BotCeltics123 has something to say about that

[reload141]

Can we trade posters to other boards?

Pretty sure we can.


P.s. Parl, you got that trade request for Comedian...... right?

Thank god.

Can only carry the board so far.

[Duke4life831]

Someone.... anyone..... trade something.

And a more significant trade than that Detroit one please.

Can we trade posters to other boards?

I can be available for a hefty buyout to come over here more often haha.

[Feed Your Head]

Pretty sure we can.


P.s. Parl, you got that trade request for Comedian...... right?

Thank god.

Can only carry the board so far.

My gif brother from another