"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[Fierce1]

Watching Wolves-Blazers here.

KAT really is a superb offensive player. But he luuuuuuumbers on D.

After being coached by Thibs and mentored by both KG and Butler, I'm worried that's just who he is defensively. He has the physical profile but lacks the mindset and effort, which are harder to teach. Maybe he gets tired of losing and matures eventually?

I'll still take him on my team though lol. But how many non-defensive-minded bigs have led a team to a title? Shaq, Hakeem, Russell, Kareem were all above average to great on that end.

Lakers won back to back titles with Pau Gasol as their star big man.

Does that count?

[BostonCouchGM]

Watching Wolves-Blazers here.

KAT really is a superb offensive player. But he luuuuuuumbers on D.

KAT has giant, slow, plodding feet. It's physically impossible for him to excel on defense even if he tried and had high defensive BBIQ, which he does not.

[zoyathedestroya]

Watching Wolves-Blazers here.

KAT really is a superb offensive player. But he luuuuuuumbers on D.

After being coached by Thibs and mentored by both KG and Butler, I'm worried that's just who he is defensively. He has the physical profile but lacks the mindset and effort, which are harder to teach. Maybe he gets tired of losing and matures eventually?

I'll still take him on my team though lol. But how many non-defensive-minded bigs have led a team to a title? Shaq, Hakeem, Russell, Kareem were all above average to great on that end.

Lakers won back to back titles with Pau Gasol as their star big man.

Does that count?

He was not their #1. That was my point. And Pau was an underrated defender in their title defense in 2010.

Oops, forgot about Duncan -- another great defender.

[Fierce1]

He was not their #1. That was my point. And Pau was an underrated defender in their title defense in 2010.

Oops, forgot about Duncan -- another great defender.

If the Celts get KAT, he will be #2 behind Tatum.

[Fierce1]

I don't think the Wolves owner, Glen Taylor, would want to trade another star big man to the Celts after trading KG to the Celts in 2007.

The owner would really look bad if he traded another star big man to the Celts a 2nd time.

[Ernest]

How about Lonzo Ball for Nesmith Romeo and our first this year?

Obviously, we'd need inside info he would resign.

The goal later would be to move Kemba so we could pay Ball. I kind of doubt they want Kemba but if they do he could be added to the trade.

I guess if he is going to bolt on them, that might be an over pay, if he will stay then why would they do that?

[Fierce1]

How about Lonzo Ball for Nesmith Romeo and our first this year?

Obviously, we'd need inside info he would resign.

The goal later would be to move Kemba so we could pay Ball. I kind of doubt they want Kemba but if they do he could be added to the trade.

I guess if he is going to bolt on them, that might be an over pay, if he will stay then why would they do that?

I think there's a way to get Lonzo in the off-season if the Celts really want him.

Giving up Nesmith and Langford is just too much IMO.

[Fencer reregistered]

Other than his knee, a factor that hasn't been talked about much with Jaylen's decline in efficiency is Smart's absence. Earlier in the season, Cobra's been great at setting up Jaylen more than any other teammate. Jaylen has been assisted twice as much by Smart (48) than the next most teammate (Tatum - 24). That's significant considering Smart's already missed half the team's games. Brown's TS% is also 4% lower when he's not sharing the floor with Smart.

I'm guessing with Smart down, Jaylen has had to create more of his own shots. Smart doesn't only find him in his spots but is also a better ball-mover than most of the team.

I'm still all-in on the Smart/Nesmith/Brown/Tatum/Timelord championship starting lineup. Won't give up on it until they're no longer all on the team. And probably not even then.

I like it. Do you think that Smart will be our Starting PG, of the future?
Nesmith, or Langford (if he ever gets back to playing).

I think Smart SHOULD be our starting PG this season, backed up by Pritchard.

[Captain_Caveman]

How about Lonzo Ball for Nesmith Romeo and our first this year?

Obviously, we'd need inside info he would resign.

The goal later would be to move Kemba so we could pay Ball. I kind of doubt they want Kemba but if they do he could be added to the trade.

I guess if he is going to bolt on them, that might be an over pay, if he will stay then why would they do that?

I think there's a way to get Lonzo in the off-season if the Celts really want him.

Giving up Nesmith and Langford is just too much IMO.

It's really not.

KAT sucks, BTW.

[Fencer reregistered]

I gotta say, if there was a mod rankings for derailing threads, I’d come in first.

Now there's a statement that's evidence for itself.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

This movie split second from 1992 is so bizzare. There are worse things than Larry birds shooting percentage in 1992, and this movie is sorta right there. Terrible all the way though, but still enjoyable to watch.

[Fencer reregistered]

I like it. Do you think that Smart will be our Starting PG, of the future?
Nesmith, or Langford (if he ever gets back to playing).

I'm still a little nervous about Smart's longevity, with his wrecking-ball playstyle. But I'm really liking his PG play, and I think he gets better the fewer shots he needs to take, and I'm envisioning a future where Nesmith is basically a Klay Thompson level shooter, because why not, and Brown and Tatum are both offensive dynamos...

Basically I'm setting myself up for disappointment. But I don't care.

Smart is so good as our Super 6th-Man, that I never really thought of him as a permanent Starting PG.
But, that could work. I can see Payton Pritchard taking up the 2nd Unit.

But, who would be our 6th-Man?
Celtics revolutionized that player/position.

Kemba for Sixth Man.

Microwaves aren't the Celtics prototype for Sixth Man, but some of the league's OTHER best Sixth Men have fit that model, especially in recent decades.

[Fencer reregistered]

Is this real life?

Mama, I killed a thread

[Captain_Caveman]

Watching Hawks-Kings and there’s about 17 guys we have or have had interest in.

Including an OKONGWU sighting! He looks .. fine.
I want all the Kings players (Barnes, Halliburton, Holmes, Bagley, Hield, Fox) yet their team sucks go figure.

Still cut up about this.

It really does look like he is saying, "It's Okongwu time!"

[moonie_mcgee]

Watching Wolves-Blazers here.

KAT really is a superb offensive player. But he luuuuuuumbers on D.

KAT has giant, slow, plodding feet. It's physically impossible for him to excel on defense even if he tried and had high defensive BBIQ, which he does not.

Funny how slow, stationary feet on defense convert to quick, agile feet on offense. Or being winded and not hustling back on D but balls out on the fast break.

Re KAT. It doesn't seem like his body has improved at all. But pair him with Tatum's and Beal's workout guru and he could be a beast. As a 6'10 center he may need that edge to reach his potential.

[klemen4]

Imo more and more I'm thinking about it, Barnes is not worth more than 2021 first and Thompson.

[1st banana]

So why would the Pelicans want him? They have their own young star duo.

The young star duo of the Pels are not iso players like the Jays.

Zion and BI? They are both ISO heavy players for sure. Maybe slightly ahead of the Jay bays in the natural playmaking department but still very much ISO players.

Edit: didn’t finish reading this thread so I didn’t see that this was already covered extensively lol wasn’t trying to pile on sorry.

[Fierce1]

Imo more and more I'm thinking about it, Barnes is not worth more than 2021 first and Thompson.

The more the Kings lose, the lower the price of Barnes go.

Only reason why Barnes was thought to be expensive was the Kings were going to make a playoff push.
So why would the Kings trade Barnes when he's a productive player and the Kings are going to make a playoff run.

But things have changed.
Right now the Kings are bad and will most likely miss the playoffs again.

Clearly Barnes is not as valuable to the Kings anymore.

[Fierce1]

So why would the Pelicans want him? They have their own young star duo.

The young star duo of the Pels are not iso players like the Jays.

Zion and BI? They are both ISO heavy players for sure. Maybe slightly ahead of the Jay bays in the natural playmaking department but still very much ISO players.

Edit: didn’t finish reading this thread so I didn’t see that this was already covered extensively lol wasn’t trying to pile on sorry.

The difference is how they iso.

When Ingram and Zion iso, they take a couple of dribbles then attack the basket or shoot.

What makes the iso of Tatum and Brown bad is it's like they're playing street basketball.
They dribble a lot and end up using most of the shot clock.
Tatum is better because usually he ends up making the shot.
But Jaylen has this tendency of over dribbling then ends up taking a forced shot or making a bad pass when he can't get a shot off.

[cl2117]

Imo more and more I'm thinking about it, Barnes is not worth more than 2021 first and Thompson.

The more the Kings lose, the lower the price of Barnes go.

Only reason why Barnes was thought to be expensive was the Kings were going to make a playoff push.
So why would the Kings trade Barnes when he's a productive player and the Kings are going to make a playoff run.

But things have changed.
Right now the Kings are bad and will most likely miss the playoffs again.

Clearly Barnes is not as valuable to the Kings anymore.

Yeah but then you run into the fact that the price goes down for everyone and then bidding can drive the price back up.

I originally said TT and a first, but I'm fine with Romeo or Nesmith plus a first for Barnes just to get it done and avoid a team like Denver coming in and snagging him or driving the price back up. Ideally expand it to get Whiteside and Bjelica for Semi and TT. Call it a day.

Think Barnes does well in the role we have for him and could be traded as part of a larger package down the line for some/most of the value we give up to get him.