2021 NBA Draft

Post #1521 » by **Klomp** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:20 pm

Fischella wrote:Cade's form is amazing, what are we talking about here, and his shooting by any indicator is absolutely elite

It wasn't always that way. There have been questions about it in the past, no?

Stillwater · Post #1522 » by **Stillwater** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:24 pm

clyde21 wrote:Ochai Agbaji stays so underrated

danny green a good comp ?

3toheadmelo · Post #1523 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:58 pm

Fischella wrote:Hyland is like Quickley but worse

Quickley is good though. You say that as if it's a bad thing.

And I actually think Hyland is a better shot creator than IQ. Seems like he has much more length than him as well.

Post #1524 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:03 pm

Klomp wrote:Am I crazy to be more worried about Cunningham's 3-point shooting (42.5%) than I am about Suggs' 3-point shooting (35.4%)?

Any kind of concerns with Cade's shooting should end once you look at his FT%. No major hitches in his shot and a damn good FT shooter. So ya hard for me to get too concerned about his shooting.

ibraheim718 · Post #1525 » by **ibraheim718** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:49 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
Klomp wrote:Am I crazy to be more worried about Cunningham's 3-point shooting (42.5%) than I am about Suggs' 3-point shooting (35.4%)?

Any kind of concerns with Cade's shooting should end once you look at his FT%. No major hitches in his shot and a damn good FT shooter. So ya hard for me to get too concerned about his shooting.

Both of those guys are going to be good shooters.

Shock Defeat · Post #1526 » by **Shock Defeat** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:14 am

3toheadmelo wrote:One of my favorites in this draft...

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He’s been shooting it since he was at the park

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The-Power · Post #1527 » by **The-Power** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:37 am

One of my favorite players in this draft, Jason Preston, looking good in the tournament thus far!

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remi_222 · Post #1528 » by **remi_222** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:40 pm

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Best defender in the NCAA for the last 2 yrs, hands down !!!

No-Man · Post #1529 » by **No-Man** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:03 pm

The-Power wrote:One of my favorite players in this draft, Jason Preston, looking good in the tournament thus far!

Watch on YouTube

What do you like about Preston? he is a flashy guy but I don't think I see him translating into much, his physical tools are very limiting

Fun to watch at this level

The-Power · Post #1530 » by **The-Power** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:48 pm

Fischella wrote:What do you like about Preston? he is a flashy guy but I don't think I see him translating into much, his physical tools are very limiting

Fun to watch at this level

Make no mistake, I'm not sure how much translates. He's an uncertain prospect that I'm rooting for. That said, there are some aspects that I very much like about him and that makes me somewhat optimistic that parts of his game translates.

1) His improvement rate is impressive considering where he was two or three years ago. A player that has shown the ability and desire to improve this much is someone I won't count out when it comes to future improvements.
2) He has been extremely efficient from inside the arc and this has been a pattern. For a player that has his physical limitations, this is an extremely important trait that shows his ability to finish and create good shots. He also moves fairly well off the ball.
3) While he plays flashy at times, there is a lot of substance to him. His assist-to-turnover ratio, for instance, is more than solid. I definitely think he can be a player that teams trust the ball with.
4) While his body is clearly underdeveloped and there seems to be a ceiling to it, his size is decent. This is not a case of a very small player dominating college.

Some things I'm a bit wary of that could limit translation of his game are:
– What kind of shooter is he? He shoots at very high percentage from 3 for the second year in a row and he has deep range, but his FT% suggests he is not going to be a great shooter and you can see him hesitate to shoot sometimes, and his shot is not the smoothest/quickest. He'll need to be a reliable shooter, including off the dribble, in the NBA, though.
– Who can he defend at the next level? Too weak and not long enough to guard up a position, but probably not quick enough – and in some cases also too weak – to handle PGs. He'll have to prove that he can hold his own on that end.
– How does his handle translate? I'd say he has a functional handle but it's not elite – a bit too high, not the most flexible. That could limit his ability to drive, which would be a concern. But I do believe it's good enough to run PnRs effectively at the next level.

So yeah, I love to watch him play, love his story and progress, love his skill-set and the way he reads the game. But there are definitely concerns in terms of physicality and athleticism, and even in the skills department he has areas where he certainly has to continue to develop. Hence, I understand all the concerns people have about him. Still, I do see ways for him to find a role in the NBA with his ability, instincts and drive – and I'm rooting hard for him and hope that some team sees him as an NBA player that is worth developing.

In some ways. he reminds me of a poor man's LaMelo Ball – less quick, a bit smaller, not quite the playmaking savant but with better decision-making (at least compared to pre-NBA LaMelo). So clearly inferior as a prospect, that goes without saying, but still intriguing to me with that combination of creative and instinctual playmaking, creative finishing and flashes to shoot from very deep despite some overall shooting concerns.

Post #1531 » by **Klomp** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:25 pm

To what I brought up the other day, I think any concern I've had on Cunningham's stroke came from old reports. I thought it might be more just a flukey season and not a vast overhaul.

TerrenceClarke · Post #1532 » by **TerrenceClarke** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:33 pm

Fischella wrote:Hyland is like Quickley but worse

Dont think he is worse than this take.

Im a Knick Fan and I am Bones Hyland Fan. Bones is more Dynamic on offense than IQ.

The-Power · Post #1533 » by **The-Power** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:45 pm

Another excellent game to lead Ohio to the title.

Watch on YouTube

In those three tournament games he averaged 22.7 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 5.3 APG, 2.7 SPG with 2.7 TOV. 18/25 on 2's (69.2%), 10/18 on 3's (55.6%), 2/6 on FTs.

treefi · Post #1534 » by **treefi** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:36 am

The-Power wrote:Another excellent game to lead Ohio to the title.

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In those three tournament games he averaged 22.7 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 5.3 APG, 2.7 SPG with 2.7 TOV. 18/25 on 2's (69.2%), 10/18 on 3's (55.6%), 2/6 on FTs.

I like Preston a lot.

Oddly enough, when I was a kid I used to simulate on pen & paper the statistics for a 6'4" underdog point guard prospect I made up by the name of Jason Preston. It's creeping me out. They have very similar strengths and weaknesses. The real Jason Preston was only one year old when I made up the fake Jason Preston. If they're somehow connected (lol), we should see the real Jason Preston turn himself into an NBA starter several years into his unexpected NBA career. :lol:

EvanZ · Post #1535 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:37 pm

Don't worry I'm not making an entire thread for him, but...

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Chi town · Post #1536 » by **Chi town** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:44 am

Where will Scottie Barnes go and how long will it take him to make an impact.

clyde21 · Post #1537 » by **clyde21** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:49 pm

Chi town wrote:Where will Scottie Barnes go and how long will it take him to make an impact.

can go as high as 6, low as 20-22 range, all depends on how teams feel about how his offensive game will scale in the NBA, but he's one of the wildcards right now imo.

Post #1538 » by **jman3134** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:18 pm

EvanZ wrote:Don't worry I'm not making an entire thread for him, but...

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Don't say that about him - the ATS bots for the NBA will throw his film in the garbage.

nolang1 · Post #1539 » by **nolang1** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:48 pm

Jay Huff and Chris Duarte haven't gotten much talk, but I think both are guys you can plug into an NBA rotation as early as next year. Both are members of the 60/40/80 club (Huff is actually 1 shot away from being 70% on twos) and solid defenders. At some point you run out of perceived high upside players, and I think some playoff teams would be happy to get them in the late 1st.

EvanZ · Post #1540 » by **EvanZ** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:17 pm

nolang1 wrote:Jay Huff and Chris Duarte haven't gotten much talk, but I think both are guys you can plug into an NBA rotation as early as next year. Both are members of the 60/40/80 club (Huff is actually 1 shot away from being 70% on twos) and solid defenders. At some point you run out of perceived high upside players, and I think some playoff teams would be happy to get them in the late 1st.

I liked Duarte last season, he's fine. He's really really old (turns 24 in June). Not a high ceiling. Maybe mid-second round is about as high as I'll get on him.