Lonzo Ball Thread (UPDATE: Bulls Offer Sato + 2nd Round picks)

[nomorezorro]

Why does he only have a role player ceiling?

can’t reliably do anything in a half-court offense other than spot-up shoot.

[Grodoboldo]

Does that good defence come with a little better IQ? Because if so that's not a bad deal haha

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Not gonna lie, denzel with defense would be a damn good player to have

not sure why ball is getting compared to denzel when kidd was always his comp.
denzel is also similar type except his career is half done due to injuries the only way he becomes great is if resigns a long term cheap deal like otto should. I would say suggs is an improved version of ball so getting him in rfa is good value.

If the Bulls cannot attain at 4/100, they can grab a bigger athletic version in AG from Magic for a flier. You need those multi-dimensional that can playmake and defend multiple positions.

Kidd without the 3pt shot, like he was at the beginning of his career, would be a pedestrian player during this Era because of the new zone defense rules. Granted, he would still be pretty good after the shot came around, but it's important to acknowledge these differences between the eras when making the comp.
Lonzo appears to have a 3pt shot now, even if it's kinda streaky. In no ways that makes him immediately worthy of a 100/4yrs contract. He's still a guard that can't create offense in the half-court nor has a reliable pull-up shot. He's young, so he can still get there, but that's a bet. If you bet on him and he doesn't develop, that is gonna be a bad contract.

[nekorajo]

Not gonna lie, denzel with defense would be a damn good player to have

not sure why ball is getting compared to denzel when kidd was always his comp.
denzel is also similar type except his career is half done due to injuries the only way he becomes great is if resigns a long term cheap deal like otto should. I would say suggs is an improved version of ball so getting him in rfa is good value.

If the Bulls cannot attain at 4/100, they can grab a bigger athletic version in AG from Magic for a flier. You need those multi-dimensional that can playmake and defend multiple positions.

Kidd without the 3pt shot, like he was at the beginning of his career, would be a pedestrian player during this Era because of the new zone defense rules. Granted, he would still be pretty good after the shot came around, but it's important to acknowledge these differences between the eras when making the comp.
Lonzo appears to have a 3pt shot now, even if it's kinda streaky. In no ways that makes him immediately worthy of a 100/4yrs contract. He's still a guard that can't create offense in the half-court nor has a reliable pull-up shot. He's young, so he can still get there, but that's a bet. If you bet on him and he doesn't develop, that is gonna be a bad contract.

Jason Kidd was a genius on the court. He could dominate the game without attempting a FG. There have only been a handful of players who could impact the game at his level without shooting the ball. The NJ Nets version of Jason Kidd is a easily a top PG in today's game.

That said, Lonzo is no Jason Kidd, but I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Bulls Jersey.

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17 assist tonight from Lonzo.

[CaPiTanAK]

17 assist tonight from Lonzo.

But... he’s not a pg. There is something when it comes to Chicago fans in general loving to root for blue collar appearing goofs and busts over primadonna appearing super talent. See classic soldier clean cut Trubisky over Mahomes. Now see ridiculous takes like Sato >>> Lonzo Ball. See more of the hater posts about Lamelo Ball.

I wish people in general would learn to objectively evaluate talent rather wanting to root for bums that closely represent them.

[ZOMG]

To all these people who want to "get Lonzo" - do you have any idea what that would take now that he's killing it?

Who do we give up?

[Kukoc-Lauri]

To all these people who want to "get Lonzo" - do you have any idea what that would take now that he's killing it?

Who do we give up?

Lauri (i dont want that i want to pair Zach&Lauri with Lonzo). Most reallistically Porter expiring or Thad Young to third team like Boston with Sato&Nesmith&Celtics frp 21 going to Pelicans.

[BullChit]

To all these people who want to "get Lonzo" - do you have any idea what that would take now that he's killing it?

Who do we give up?

I think the question at this point is how much would we have to pay?

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[jordanwilliams6]

The boat has been missed on this one IMO. I think he’ll be part of a long partnership with Zion & BI. NO’s issue is their other starters and the rest of their roster.

[BullChit]

The boat has been missed on this one IMO. I think he’ll be part of a long partnership with Zion & BI. NO’s issue is their other starters and the rest of their roster.

Maybe see if we can get the young point gaurd they wanted to give Lonzos playtime to...

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17 assist tonight from Lonzo.

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[MGB8]

To all these people who want to "get Lonzo" - do you have any idea what that would take now that he's killing it?

Who do we give up?

At this point, I don't think he's "gettable" in any meaningful sense.

I mean, theoretically there still might be basis for a Lauri for Lonzo swap if the Pels start thinking that rather than having a center like Adams (or Hayes) next to Zion, what they really want is a floor spacer.

And now that Donovan is playing Lauri at the 5, assuming he doesn't get banged up again (a big issue), he may well show enough value that would make the swap potentially doable, value wise. Even though Lonzo has exploded since his rough start, there are signs that some of that isn't really sustainable - as there have been some very quiet games mixed in with the good ones recently.

I'd probably make that trade since, in what really is a "new" thing for the NBA, backcourt > frontcourt, but that still wouldn't be a "buy low" situation.

[MGB8]

The boat has been missed on this one IMO. I think he’ll be part of a long partnership with Zion & BI. NO’s issue is their other starters and the rest of their roster.

Yeah. Although, in fairness to the Pels rest of roster, Hart and NAW had good games last night - both 7-13 - 16 pts and 20 pts respectively (due to the difference in 3s taken). It's just that Dame went for 50-10 (despite Bledsoe and Lonzo both being solid defenders) and Gary Trent pitched in another 22... and the Blazers pulled it out by one despite McCullom struggling a bit on return. Melo also having a weird "I'm going to be a facilitator today" game - 6 assists, 2 steals, a block and 4 boards, and only 10 shots...

Man, I remember Melo at 'cuse that championship year - what a player he was. And then you see Zion, and while he's not as naturally offensively skilled as Melo was... he's on his way, and meanwhile he's got so much more power and explosion than Melo (who wasn't weak or un-explosive coming in) ever did... So long as the body holds up, if he keeps working on his game... Holy Mount Zion...

[CaPiTanAK]

If you want Lonzo, you need to throw the max out there. That will make the Pelicans think twice. They're a small market team, so they will think twice about having three max's on their team with a fringe playoff team. But then again, it's kind of pointless to look down on a small market team when mom and pop Reinsdork has been operating this team like a bottom 5 small market when it comes to budget.

[nomorezorro]

17 assist tonight from Lonzo.

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4x basic swinging pass on the perimeter
3x solid but basic pnr feeds where he immediately gives the ball up
2x good passes from inside the 3pt line (one when he was cutting and found a cutting zion, one when he was attacking a closeout and then dropped it off to adams for a midrange push shot)
2x simple pass to zion who made a good move
2x good crosscourt passes from the perimeter
1x real good transition lookahead
1x simple transition pass
1x simple pass to ingram on the perimeter who drove for a bucket

this doesn't really do much to dispel the idea that lonzo is a good passer who can't run a halfcourt offense. dude gets into the paint off the dribble once

[nomorezorro]

and like, part of the reason i am interested in lonzo on the bulls is that because a guard who can pass, shoot and defend without being ball-dominant is theoretically a really good fit next to zach! but a player who drives one (1) time in 35+ minutes is not an NBA-caliber lead guard, and a player who's reluctant to go into the paint is inherently a role player.

[gobullschi]

To all these people who want to "get Lonzo" - do you have any idea what that would take now that he's killing it?

Who do we give up?

Nobody. Just offer the most money in the off-season. They’ll have to do it to keep him if they were to trade for him anyways.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Ball is better, younger and more talented Sato. I would not be opposed of idea to pay Lonzo 4/80.
Ball/Lavine with Sato/White is very respectable backcourt with forwards like Williams,Young and Lauri if resign, with solid center like i.e. Holmes that is playoff team. I believe we can squezze this roster under cap.

[The Box Office]

Rumor is Lonzo is interested in signing with the Knicks, eh? The Pelicans should be leaning more to trade Lonzo. Also, 17 assists is 17 assists. That's a good amount regardless of how he got them. I still want Lonzo here in Chicago. He'll be the best PG here.

[fleet]

Lonzo Zach and PaW, those 3 guys together are big, they can shoot, and defend. So many times evaluators focus on what players are not, rather than to appreciate what they can actually do. Like waiting for some dreamscape superstar to show up is better than improving right now. Hopefully the Bulls aren’t afraid of paying a price to nail down the perimeter for a very long time. If we aren’t tanking, then let’s do this now before it’s too late.