GT: Nets @ Pacers 3/17/2021 7:00pm EST (Kyrie OUT)

[CalamityX12]

Love me some Sara....

[Prokorov]

It was the first quarter of the game, not the 3rd or 4th. If DJ can't handle playing the first 12 mins of a game, then I don't know what that says about him. And we did adjust after that, that is the point lol. DJ only played 8 more mins for the rest of the game after that (and remained crap).

He adjusted.... after the pacers built a 17 point lead. a bad coach pulls him midway through that run. a good coach doesnt even have him on the floor for it, as he gets subbed out after the first TV timeout with the first group of subs.

And aren't you proving the point against DJ by indicating the Pistons game thing? Why can't DJ consistently perform well without being yelled at by his coach and his teammates to motivate him? This is a 10+ year vet in the league, not a young kid who doesn't know better. If DJ could play with the same focus, energy for us consistently, that he showed in the first game against Pacers, it would be a massive game changer for us. But at this point, we know he certainly can't, and I don't think its due to physical limitations.

Super athletic players who rely on athletecism dont age well. DJ is a victem of that. with Allen here, he only had to play 20ish minutes. with Claxton here thats all he needs as well. Can he dial it up here and there? sure, but thats hardly sustainable over a compressed schedule when you play every other night. and whether he can or cant, thats on the coaches to adjust for.

It is obvious to everyone watching what the deal is. Nash shouldnt be clueless.

[NetsJets]

This is why I really don’t want to lose Dinwiddie

[MGrand15]

It was the first quarter of the game, not the 3rd or 4th. If DJ can't handle playing the first 12 mins of a game, then I don't know what that says about him. And we did adjust after that, that is the point lol. DJ only played 8 more mins for the rest of the game after that (and remained crap).

He adjusted.... after the pacers built a 17 point lead. a bad coach pulls him midway through that run. a good coach doesnt even have him on the floor for it, as he gets subbed out after the first TV timeout with the first group of subs.

And aren't you proving the point against DJ by indicating the Pistons game thing? Why can't DJ consistently perform well without being yelled at by his coach and his teammates to motivate him? This is a 10+ year vet in the league, not a young kid who doesn't know better. If DJ could play with the same focus, energy for us consistently, that he showed in the first game against Pacers, it would be a massive game changer for us. But at this point, we know he certainly can't, and I don't think its due to physical limitations.

Super athletic players who rely on athletecism dont age well. DJ is a victem of that. with Allen here, he only had to play 20ish minutes. with Claxton here thats all he needs as well. Can he dial it up here and there? sure, but thats hardly sustainable over a compressed schedule when you play every other night. and whether he can or cant, thats on the coaches to adjust for.

It is obvious to everyone watching what the deal is. Nash shouldnt be clueless.

Seems like you want a coach who panics the second anything goes wrong.

The plan was clearly to match DJ with Sabonis since he did a good job last time. This time he got roasted. After the 1st quarter, Nash switched up the gameplan and DJ only played 8 minutes the rest of the way. If you're upset because he gave the gameplan ONE quarter before adjusting - you're just looking for reasons to be upset. You can't just change everything up the second the other team goes on a run. Also - it gives DJ confidence to know he's not getting pulled right away just because he's struggling. That stuff helps down the road.

[Claud]

Thoughts..

Harden is playing at MVP level. He should definately be considered in the conversation alongside Embiid, Jokic, Lebron, Luka, Lillard, etc.

Seeing Claxton play defense and contest everything is SO refreshing when comparing DJ's effort on D. Clax can legit guard 1-5 and still looks out of shape. Knock on wood he stays healthy and is in shape by playoffs time.

TJ has been playing solid ball for a while now. Knows his role perfectly. Be a pest on D, Knock down 3s, and do some playmaking here and there when needed. Far superior than Chiozza.

Jeff Green has been AWESOME the entire season. I'm glad to see him continue to play well after coming back from injury. Baller.

Joe Harris was quite but also hit some key 3s and play solid all night long. Nothing fancy just good night's work.

Shamet was awful as a starter. Not mad at Nash for trying but Shamet just barely now is starting to turn it around so maybe we should you keep him in a role his comfortable with off the bench. Bad night though.

DJ is who he is. Love DJ as vet presence but he's washed. He can give you 10-15 solid minutes + a throwback game here and there but nothing more. I think Marks needs to land us one of McGee or Drummond to replace DJ. Not sure Blake is the answer at C.

Bruce Brown has had a few bad offensive games on a row now... but he's still playing with a lot of intensity and hustle defensively. I can see Blake eating some of his minutes once Blake is back.

TLC was a disaster... low IQ play after low IQ play... bubble TLC looked promising but he's back to the norm. Not sure if he sticks around this roster.

Loved seeing Caris back on the court being productive... I think Indy will be a great home for him. Much love.

Happy with another gritty dub... gotta give some props to Nash and co. for realizing that TJ/Harden/Harris/Green/Clax needed to play the entire 4th for us to win this game since the others were just not having a good game. I've been a Nash skeptic from the beginning but he's improved rapidly as a coach during the last 2 months. Marks was right once again.

[Prokorov]

Seems like you want a coach who panics the second anything goes wrong.

No. I want a coach who makes the obvious moves in obvious situations and puts our guys in a position to succeed instead of fail.

The plan was clearly to match DJ with Sabonis since he did a good job last time. This time he got roasted. After the 1st quarter, Nash switched up the gameplan and DJ only played 8 minutes the rest of the way. If you're upset because he gave the gameplan ONE quarter before adjusting - you're just looking for reasons to be upset. You can't just change everything up the second the other team goes on a run. Also - it gives DJ confidence to know he's not getting pulled right away just because he's struggling. That stuff helps down the road.

Plans are good. when its obvious a guy is gas you pull him. it would be one thing if someone was waiting to check in and there were no stoppages or something. he watched DJ get gashed for 4 minutes (after playing well the first 6 or 8) and them build a 17 point lead without taking a timeout or making a substitution.

the worst coaches in the league sub or call a timeout halfway through that run. the best coaches avoid it all together by proactively knowing DJ isnt likely to give you 12 good minutes and in a game with no Kyrie you need to keep guys fresh.

but nash isnt even a bad coach. he isnt even qualified to be called a coach. I think legit anyone on this board would do a significantly better job as an ingame coach. like he is worse that some of the 13 year olds on the GB. its embarassing

[therealbig3]

Honestly though, Nash should be in COY discussions right now.

He's got us with one of the best records in the league and tied for 1st in the East. And he's doing it without arguably his best player for most of it. He's got us way improved defensively and our stars have meshed perfectly. And he's getting the most out of our role players. Honestly, this is heroic stuff.

Also because I want to see how Prokorov reacted if the national media actually made that a discussion lmao.

In all seriousness, I think he clearly falls short of the best coaches in the league...but he's above average imo. I'll take him over the travesties of head coaches we've had in the past, and I'd take him over Kenny too tbh. At least Nash has the players' respect.

[MrDollarBills]

Honestly though, Nash should be in COY discussions right now.

He's got us with one of the best records in the league and tied for 1st in the East. And he's doing it without arguably his best player for most of it. He's got us way improved defensively and our stars have meshed perfectly. And he's getting the most out of our role players. Honestly, this is heroic stuff.

Also because I want to see how Prokorov reacted if the national media actually made that a discussion lmao.

In all seriousness, I think he clearly falls short of the best coaches in the league...but he's above average imo. I'll take him over the travesties of head coaches we've had in the past, and I'd take him over Kenny too tbh. At least Nash has the players' respect.

The turning point was when Nash lit into DeAndre Jordan and challenged the team in public. Since then we have been the hottest team in the league, the team's defense has improved, and we run a system where everyone eats their fair share. All of this with Kevin Durant missing a majority of the season due to uncontrolled circumstances. Nash has a calm, even keel presence that keeps the team grounded and he has the clout and respect of our main guys.

He is a rookie head coach, and he is learning as he goes, but the notion that he, an NBA Hall of Famer who has forgotten more about basketball than this entire board will ever no, isn't qualified to coach at this point is utter foolishness.

Nash closed the game out with Claxton, Green, Harris, Johnson, and Harden and Indiana had nothing for that unit. Instead of giving the coach credit for putting the right pieces on the floor with Harden, we're here talking about why Nash didn't panic and yank DeAndre Jordan 30 seconds after tip off when it was clear that Sabonis was going to make him his prison bitch.

Steve Nash will not win COY, but he will get votes. The fact that he was Eastern Conf. coach of the month says that no one with a shred of credibility shares the belief that Nash is not qualified to do this job...a job where he now has his team #1 in the East, #2 overall, and the #1 offensive team in basketball.

[sashaturiaf]

When it comes to judging Nash I don't think you can judge him conventionally like any other coach. He really is Phil Jackson all over again with the sole purpose of making sure scary hours are playing nice with each other.

Kyrie already said he sees this team not having a head coach and he and KD could be coaches on any given night. Whether you agree with that or not, I doubt Nash can just come in guns blazing enforcing his philosophy on the team. He is remaining almost comically emotionless on the sidelines which is likely his way of not showing any favoritism and keeping things neutral.

It's going to be a work in progress. Nash has no coaching background and a bad start to the season / feuding with Kyrie could have ended his career before it started. I feel he is slowly starting to have more confidence to make his mark on the team ie- playing Claxton for the entire 4th last night.

To me, coaching doesn't really matter when the talent is so overwhelming and you have assistants on the level of dantoni. Nash just needs to coach not to lose and make sure everybody is happy, that's it. If you can make Kyrie think he won the game with his coaching then that is a major win.

[GTR11]

When it comes to judging Nash I don't think you can judge him conventionally like any other coach. He really is Phil Jackson all over again with the sole purpose of making sure scary hours are playing nice with each other.

Kyrie already said he sees this team not having a head coach and he and KD could be coaches on any given night. Whether you agree with that or not, I doubt Nash can just come in guns blazing enforcing his philosophy on the team. He is remaining almost comically emotionless on the sidelines which is likely his way of not showing any favoritism and keeping things neutral.

It's going to be a work in progress. Nash has no coaching background and a bad start to the season / feuding with Kyrie could have ended his career before it started. I feel he is slowly starting to have more confidence to make his mark on the team ie- playing Claxton for the entire 4th last night.

To me, coaching doesn't really matter when the talent is so overwhelming and you have assistants on the level of dantoni. Nash just needs to coach not to lose and make sure everybody is happy, that's it. If you can make Kyrie think he won the game with his coaching then that is a major win.

How explain GSW with Mark Jackson vs GSW with Kerr?

Our stars and entire team also said they have huge amount of respect when it comes to Nash, he also have one of the best supporting cast from around NBA. Calling two time MVP and maestro of of 7 sec offense buffoon is laughable. Managing ego's is hard to do, most coaches can't, Nash do.

Attacking rookie coach for not being perfect is beyond laughable its **** joke. Not to point at anyone in particular, just reminder.

[sashaturiaf]

When it comes to judging Nash I don't think you can judge him conventionally like any other coach. He really is Phil Jackson all over again with the sole purpose of making sure scary hours are playing nice with each other.

Kyrie already said he sees this team not having a head coach and he and KD could be coaches on any given night. Whether you agree with that or not, I doubt Nash can just come in guns blazing enforcing his philosophy on the team. He is remaining almost comically emotionless on the sidelines which is likely his way of not showing any favoritism and keeping things neutral.

It's going to be a work in progress. Nash has no coaching background and a bad start to the season / feuding with Kyrie could have ended his career before it started. I feel he is slowly starting to have more confidence to make his mark on the team ie- playing Claxton for the entire 4th last night.

To me, coaching doesn't really matter when the talent is so overwhelming and you have assistants on the level of dantoni. Nash just needs to coach not to lose and make sure everybody is happy, that's it. If you can make Kyrie think he won the game with his coaching then that is a major win.

How explain GSW with Mark Jackson vs GSW with Kerr?

Our stars and entire team also said they have huge amount of respect when it comes to Nash, he also have one of the best supporting cast from around NBA. Calling two time MVP and maestro of of 7 sec offense buffoon is laughable. Managing ego's is hard to do, most coaches can't, Nash do.

Attacking rookie coach for not being perfect is beyond laughable its **** joke. Not to point at anyone in particular, just reminder.

Was that meant to be directed to my post? Didn't feel like it...

However this is a completely different scenario to those GSW teams and the coaches had different roles. All those GSW teams had were promise, and Kerr ended up tuning them into a well oiled machine. This Nets team has 3 superstars with multiple championships and MVPs. All Nash has to do is keep the vibe good and you're looking at a title, which he has been doing.


Even now, do you really think Steph and Klay are better than our backcourt? No way they are, in a vacuum Kyrie/Harden would absolutely destroy them however Kerr and the system did put them in a position where they overachieved

[GTR11]

When it comes to judging Nash I don't think you can judge him conventionally like any other coach. He really is Phil Jackson all over again with the sole purpose of making sure scary hours are playing nice with each other.

Kyrie already said he sees this team not having a head coach and he and KD could be coaches on any given night. Whether you agree with that or not, I doubt Nash can just come in guns blazing enforcing his philosophy on the team. He is remaining almost comically emotionless on the sidelines which is likely his way of not showing any favoritism and keeping things neutral.

It's going to be a work in progress. Nash has no coaching background and a bad start to the season / feuding with Kyrie could have ended his career before it started. I feel he is slowly starting to have more confidence to make his mark on the team ie- playing Claxton for the entire 4th last night.

To me, coaching doesn't really matter when the talent is so overwhelming and you have assistants on the level of dantoni. Nash just needs to coach not to lose and make sure everybody is happy, that's it. If you can make Kyrie think he won the game with his coaching then that is a major win.

How explain GSW with Mark Jackson vs GSW with Kerr?

Our stars and entire team also said they have huge amount of respect when it comes to Nash, he also have one of the best supporting cast from around NBA. Calling two time MVP and maestro of of 7 sec offense buffoon is laughable. Managing ego's is hard to do, most coaches can't, Nash do.

Attacking rookie coach for not being perfect is beyond laughable its **** joke. Not to point at anyone in particular, just reminder.

Was that meant to be directed to my post? Didn't feel like it...

However this is a completely different scenario to those GSW teams and the coaches had different roles. All those GSW teams had were promise, and Kerr ended up tuning them into a well oiled machine. This Nets team has 3 superstars with multiple championships and MVPs. All Nash has to do is keep the vibe good and you're looking at a title, which he has been doing.


Even now, do you really think Steph and Klay are better than our backcourt? No way they are, in a vacuum Kyrie/Harden would absolutely destroy them however Kerr and the system did put them in a position where they overachiever.

Its not completely different thats why I brought them as an example. You have to take everything into consideration. Fact is Nash is a leader of man that has great mind when it comes to bball. Zen did same thing Bulls when he took over Collins.

[sashaturiaf]

I would not go in with the superlatives for Nash at the moment. Of course he was a great player and he seems to be getting the results as a coach. But I'd wait many many years before saying he is Phil Jackson level, titles will speak louder than words.

So far so good I think. He has shown the emotional intelligence to not ruffle any feathers on this team and keep himself out of the spotlight altogether. Definitely not a glamorous role but he's doing it

[GTR11]

I would not go in with the superlatives for Nash at the moment. Of course he was a great player and he seems to be getting the results as a coach. But I'd wait many many years before saying he is Phil Jackson level, titles will speak louder than words.

So far so good I think. He has shown the emotional intelligence to not ruffle any feathers on this team and keep himself out of the spotlight altogether. Definitely not a glamorous role but he's doing it

Zen and Pops greatest coaches ever to name. Its sad that you ignore previous comparison and meaning just to avoid my point. You clearly understood you had it wrong, just moved topic to something else. Its sad.

[sashaturiaf]

I just don't get where the indignation is coming from in terms of Nash from your end.

I mean the guy is a hall of famer, getting paid millions to be a coach of a contender with no former coaching experience and also just got awarded coach of the month... Yeah I think he's doing alright for himself

Is my assessment that he's more a manager of egos and not up to Phil Jackson standards just yet, as an anonymous forum poster that controversial? I don't get it

[therealbig3]

But he isn't just standing there and making sure everything is kumbaya, I mean, he DID light up one of his veterans when he felt they were dogging it (Deandre), and has gotten much better effort out of him. He's been tinkering lineups all season long until he's found the right combinations. He's found a way to maximize someone who would normally be a complete offensive liability (Bruce Brown). He's trusting a rookie to be a major contributor for this team because that rookie has proven to be effective (Claxton)...you know how many coaches would keep Nic glued to the bench and roll with their veterans instead simply because he's a rookie? TJ, Shamet, even TLC as much as we hate on him...they're playing their best basketball with Nash as the coach. And we went from being a laughable defense that can now somewhat limit opposing offenses and doesn't get completely destroyed on the glass.

I see actual coaching going on, and it's been effective. He's not overplaying his vets, he's making adjustments, and he's got us playing our best basketball right now, without who most people think is our best player. And yeah, the arrogance of calling a guy that won 2 MVPs and was a great PG for A LONG time and was widely considered one of the smartest players to ever lace them up, who has consistently shown the ability to adapt and learn and get better both as a player and as a coach, a moron that couldn't coach a kindergarten team is quite honestly hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

Nobody talks like that about Kidd, Mark Jackson, or Isiah...everyone makes fun of them as head coaches, sure, but nobody has said they're morons that couldn't coach a rec team and that random anonymous internet posters probably knew more about the game than they did and could make better adjustments. And yet, I think Nash has already proven himself to be FAR better than those "PGs turned head coaches". Because they actively made their teams worse. Nash has helped us get better. There's a reason they're not head coaches anymore.

Some people have just had an agenda against Nash from the beginning and were waiting for the second things looked bad, and then they decided that he was the problem no matter what happened after that. And it's a consistent theme, ANY time an opposing team makes a run or we hit a cold stretch, or our best players are objectively playing like crap, the complaints come pouring in about only Nash: "is Nash going to do ANYTHING? I don't understand these lineups! Why is he playing this guy? Why isn't he playing this other guy? Nash sucks!" Then we right the ship, win the game, and everyone goes "ZOMG Kyrie! WOW Bearded One!"

It's a ridiculous double standard.

[MGrand15]

But he isn't just standing there and making sure everything is kumbaya, I mean, he DID light up one of his veterans when he felt they were dogging it (Deandre), and has gotten much better effort out of him. He's been tinkering lineups all season long until he's found the right combinations. He's found a way to maximize someone who would normally be a complete offensive liability (Bruce Brown). He's trusting a rookie to be a major contributor for this team because that rookie has proven to be effective (Claxton)...you know how many coaches would keep Nic glued to the bench and roll with their veterans instead simply because he's a rookie? TJ, Shamet, even TLC as much as we hate on him...they're playing their best basketball with Nash as the coach. And we went from being a laughable defense that can now somewhat limit opposing offenses and doesn't get completely destroyed on the glass.

I see actual coaching going on, and it's been effective. He's not overplaying his vets, he's making adjustments, and he's got us playing our best basketball right now, without who most people think is our best player. And yeah, the arrogance of calling a guy that won 2 MVPs and was a great PG for A LONG time and was widely considered one of the smartest players to ever lace them up, who has consistently shown the ability to adapt and learn and get better both as a player and as a coach, a moron that couldn't coach a kindergarten team is quite honestly hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

Nobody talks like that about Kidd, Mark Jackson, or Isiah...everyone makes fun of them as head coaches, sure, but nobody has said they're morons that couldn't coach a rec team and that random anonymous internet posters probably knew more about the game than they did and could make better adjustments. And yet, I think Nash has already proven himself to be FAR better than those "PGs turned head coaches". Because they actively made their teams worse. Nash has helped us get better. There's a reason they're not head coaches anymore.

Some people have just had an agenda against Nash from the beginning and were waiting for the second things looked bad, and then they decided that he was the problem no matter what happened after that. And it's a consistent theme, ANY time an opposing team makes a run or we hit a cold stretch, or our best players are objectively playing like crap, the complaints come pouring in about only Nash: "is Nash going to do ANYTHING? I don't understand these lineups! Why is he playing this guy? Why isn't he playing this other guy? Nash sucks!" Then we right the ship, win the game, and everyone goes "ZOMG Kyrie! WOW Bearded One!"

It's a ridiculous double standard.

Big facts here.

What's funny is that we've lost ONCE in the last 37 days. We're 1st in the East. Our chemistry is amazing. We've had to deal with KD out with COVID stuff + injuries. Kyrie resting B2Bs + taking a 2 week hiatus. Integrating a star. Losing 3 rotation players. Throwing in Claxton mid-season. Losing Dinwiddie right at the start of the season. Shamet starting the season ICE COLD. Some really bad losses to mediocre teams. The media BEGGING for us to fail.

He's made some mistakes - like all humans do - but if he was doing a bad coaching job, we wouldn't be doing so well. Period.

I will say - it's basically just Prok doing his normal over the top thing here. He won't change his mind even if we 3 peat. Most people seem to be fine with what Nash is doing.

[Whiskey Slick]

This is why I really don’t want to lose Dinwiddie

Me either. I love him. He was a shinning light in a sea of darkness when we first started rebuilding.

That said, if Indiana was willing to flip Caris for Dinwiddie, that's a trade I can't refuse.

First because it was heartbreaking to learn Caris had the C word, and I'm trilled he's healthy and playing again.

Also I believe we can win a championship THIS YEAR and Caris can give us the depth at wing we still need, whereas it's unlikely Dinwiddie makes it back this year. Lastly, just watching his reactions and facial expressions last night, it was obvious to me that Caris wishes he was still back here with the Nets and a part of this run.

I might even throw in Reggie Perry if it gets us back Caris LeVert.

[GTR11]

This is why I really don’t want to lose Dinwiddie

Me either. I love him. He was a shinning light in a sea of darkness when we first started rebuilding.

That said, if Indiana was willing to flip Caris for Dinwiddie, that's a trade I can't refuse.

First because it was heartbreaking to learn Caris had the C word, and I'm trilled he's healthy and playing again.

Also I believe we can win a championship THIS YEAR and Caris can give us the depth at wing we still need, whereas it's unlikely Dinwiddie makes it back this year. Lastly, just watching his reactions and facial expressions last night, it was obvious to me that Caris wishes he was still back here with the Nets and a part of this run.

I'd even throw in a 2nd RD Pick if we have any left in the next few years?

I already posted it on Clips blog and just going to say it here too. Din will be traded to LAC imo. Anyone who knows anything about bball should've seen it one's Kenny joined. It just make sense.

I'm going to hate it. In no world I want to lose Din. However I'll respect his decision. Going home, playing for a contender, for a coach that knows you, also being lead guy... going to hate it but can't hate it.

[Whiskey Slick]

I already posted it on Clips blog and just going to say it here too. Din will be traded to LAC imo. Anyone who knows anything about bball should've seen it one's Kenny joined. It just make sense.

I'm going to hate it. In no world I want to lose Din. However I'll respect his decision. Going home, playing for a contender, for a coach that knows you, also being lead guy... going to hate it but can't hate it.

How bout Dinwiddie and Reggie Perry for Caris LeVert?

Would Marks do that trade?

Would Indiana?