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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1061 » by Dat2U » Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:31 pm

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payitforward wrote:
1. Bertans: The best offer we got for Davis last year seems to have been from the Celtics -- either the #26 or #30 pick. You're looking for the same kind of deal, but this year we'll take the #35 instead of that #26.

Obviously, the drop in the pick recognizes that Davis's trade value isn't what it was. I wonder whether you're realistic in thinking a drop of 9 spots in the pick being offered really suffices to address the fact that 1) Davis isn't playing as well as he did last year (he's closer than his overall stats would indicate, but still...), 2) he now comes with a big price tag attached to him over the next several years, & 3) by taking on that salary, a team is also saving us a ton of money.

In any case, he may not even be on the market. We'll find out soon enough.

2. #7 & Brown <> #22 & Wood: simple question -- if you were Houston's new GM, would you do this deal?


Bertans: I have zero idea about what his market is or was. Im not saying that he is less valuable this year, but that if you look at the teams picking 22-30 you have 8 teams (Rockets have 2 pick). We can rule the rockets out as they are rebuilding.
The Clippers, Lakers, Jazz, and Nets cant trade their 2021 pick as they have already traded their 2022 pick.
That leaves the Suns, Nuggets, and 76ers.
- The Suns have Saric, Bridges, Crowder, and Cam Johnson all wing shooters throwing up 20 3PA/game and hitting them at 39%. Dont think Bertans is a good fit.
- The 76ers will probably make a move for a legit PG (Lowry)
- The Nuggets have MPJ as their 3/4 3 point specialist

2) Yes, If im the Rockets I would certainly make that trade. The Rockets are in a full rebuild and Wood is signed for 2 years after this one. He doesnt fit their timeline. As to the value, it would take a pick i the late lotto 11-13 to move up from 22 to 7. Is there a team that would provide better value to the Rockets than pick 12 and expirings for Wood? Maybe, but I dont see the teams in that range doing so.
*** I would be open to making it the Bucks pick (25) instead of the Portland pick (22), but I may want a future 2nd for that. Brown is worth an early-mid 2nd (~40) and isnt simply filler. That said, it financially doesnt work so I would have to rethink it.

:) ... I guess maybe if their new GM is a Wizards fan, he might do that trade. Otherwise, no.

Christian Wood is a bargain at his salary. No reason in the world to trade him. He's 25 & has many productive years ahead of him. IOW, you were right the first time -- you're dreaming.

In any case, since none of this is happening (again, that's something you said not me) there can be no way to resolve this kind of thing. Really, every year for the last 3 years you've said that we're one player (a guy we can get, too) away from being a contender in the East. Meanwhile, we post a .371 record over those 3 years. Not much of a path back to reality.


Rockets Trade Rumors: Christian Wood 'As Close to Untouchable as Possible'

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2936096-rockets-trade-rumors-christian-wood-as-close-to-untouchable-as-possible.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

Your probably right on Wood. That bridge may have past. We have plenty of opportunities to sign him. So did every team in the league.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1062 » by pcbothwel » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:32 pm

payitforward wrote::) ... I guess maybe if their new GM is a Wizards fan, he might do that trade. Otherwise, no.

Christian Wood is a bargain at his salary. No reason in the world to trade him. He's 25 & has many productive years ahead of him. IOW, you were right the first time -- you're dreaming.

In any case, since none of this is happening (again, that's something you said not me) there can be no way to resolve this kind of thing. Really, every year for the last 3 years you've said that we're one player (a guy we can get, too) away from being a contender in the East. Meanwhile, we post a .371 record over those 3 years. Not much of a path back to reality.


My contention over the last few years was that Beal was a legit All-NBA talent that is also a leader/professional that young players will follow. And that our draft picks/cheap adds such as Brown, Bryant, Bonga, Moe and Rui were great value and I saw us as a legit team.
I think having a bottom 5 coach in the NBA and Wall's career spiral for 2 years should earn me a bit of latitude.

As far as Wood, I dont disagree. Im simply stating that the value seems about fair and their timeline appears to be 2-3 years away when Wood will be an expiring/FA.
Still, there are other avenues for acquiring talent.

Memphis with JJJ is an interesting situation. 1) JJJ has been underwhelming and injured and looks like Myles Turner is his best case scenario. 2) He is heading into the last year of his rookie deal making 9M. 3) Memphis is doing fine without him and has a full deck of bigs, both vets and young with JV, Dieng, Tillman & Clarke. Hell, they have Tillie and Porter simmering as well.

I could see them wanting to make a move sooner than later while also avoiding the inevitable overpay JJJ will get on his next contract. They are also one of the worst 3 point shooting teams as well, so Bertans might be an interesting add.

Assuming Russ and Beal stay at the level they have been playing at as of late, then the 2 wildcards going into the offseason are
1) Rui and 2) Big

If Rui can maintain this higher level of energy and intensity while allowing the game to slow down a bit, then he's a legit 3 piece. especially if he can be more comfortable on the perimeter on both ends of the court allowing him to be more 3 than 4.

Our Center situation is far more important and dubious. Bryant will be working his way back the first half of next season and he is still a problem defensively. Mobley is the most obvious catch all solution for this, but otherwise we'll need to get creative. Thats why I have brought up the Wood & JJJ options.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1063 » by dckingsfan » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:15 pm

pcbothwel wrote:Our Center situation is far more important and dubious. Bryant will be working his way back the first half of next season and he is still a problem defensively. Mobley is the most obvious catch all solution for this, but otherwise we'll need to get creative. Thats why I have brought up the Wood & JJJ options.

Love to see us at least try for the Bamba for Brown, Wagner and Bonga trade.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1064 » by gambitx777 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:40 pm

4 way trade !
Cavs out : drummand
Cavs in : ish, robinsons bryant, cash.

Wiz out : Bertans , bryant, lopez, ish, robinsons, brown jr
Wiz in : drummand, brazdelkis, ramsey, bagley III. 2021 and 2022 second round picks from det.

NYK out : brazdelkis 2021 and 2022 second round picks from det
NYK in Bertans

Kings out : bagley, ramsey
Kings in : lopez, brown jr.

Now I'd hold this as a pretty good trade a week ago before Bertans got hurt but it's just a Strain I doubt nay one is too worried.i will say first NYK should go all in trying to get lavine from the bulls before they do this, then get a big off the buy out market. But that deal might not be in the table !
But this is still a good move for every one all around.

Wiz out a useful center on the floor that helps with issues the team is having and is Brad's good buddy. We get a couple young players and some lower level picks. Bagley is hurt but he could be a reclamation project for a trade fodder in the summer.

NYK get the offensive boost they need for next to nothing.

Cavs get a young center to play with next year and save money

Kings flips change of pace needing young guys and get some size to fill in for a hurting front cort.



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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1065 » by payitforward » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:02 pm

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payitforward wrote:...I take it ...you think Rui -- where he is now, how far he's come in 1.5 years, his age (23), & his "upside" -- has more potential than Deni -- where he is now, how far he's come in 1/2 year, his age (20), & his "upside?" Is that right?

Yes.

Without wishing to provoke any kind of argument -- & w/o making a prediction to the contrary, because I have no fix whatever on where Deni might wind up as a player -- I'd be interested to understand the basis of your thinking.

As I reflect on the subject, I can see a few facts to work with:

1. Rui is bigger & has superior athleticism. This is a particular advantage if he winds up playing the 3, or if Deni winds up playing the 4, or if your point about the vanishing difference between the positions is significant in this case.

Would I be right to think this fact is significant in your judgment of the 2 guys?

2. OTOH, Rui is older -- & 3 years seems undeniably significant -- at least it typically is in the arc of an athlete from prospect to peak at about 27 years old.

Are you discounting this difference in the case of these 2 players? Maybe b/c Rui was late to the game and/or Deni has a ton of experience for someone who turned 20 years old 6 weeks ago? If so, what would make these factors favor Rui?

3. In now almost 2500 minutes of PT, Rui hasn't made any major jump in his overall level of productivity or even, statistically, in any single measurable aspect of his play (this is not to say he hasn't improved at all): he hasn't produced at a way higher level than he did as a rookie.

Does this rate of improvement factor into your view of his likely future? What if he were only to improve at this rate again next year?

Now, ideally, we'd like both guys to turn into extremely good NBA players. At the same time, it's also possible they both wind up meh NBA players. So, this question is really just about how one would look at a guy & predict his career. As things stand right now, you'd have to be nuts not to want Tyrese Haliburton over either of them. Truth is, you'd also have to be nuts not to want Keldon Johnson over either of them! Or Devin Vassell or Precious Achiuwa! Doesn't mean it'll wind up that way, but so far....
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1066 » by The Consiglieri » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:54 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I was very much expecting to trade Bertans . Him being hurt on top of the bad start makes that extra unlikely .

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One of the many reasons those of us who wanted Beal traded, wanted him moved sooner rather than later. Just hadn't applied it to Bertans, and this is the cost. However I don't think the team planned on trading him anyway. They're too stupid.
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Post#1067 » by nate33 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:54 pm

payitforward wrote:
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payitforward wrote:...I take it ...you think Rui -- where he is now, how far he's come in 1.5 years, his age (23), & his "upside" -- has more potential than Deni -- where he is now, how far he's come in 1/2 year, his age (20), & his "upside?" Is that right?

Yes.

Without wishing to provoke any kind of argument -- & w/o making a prediction to the contrary, because I have no fix whatever on where Deni might wind up as a player -- I'd be interested to understand the basis of your thinking.

As I reflect on the subject, I can see a few facts to work with:

1. Rui is bigger & has superior athleticism. This is a particular advantage if he winds up playing the 3, or if Deni winds up playing the 4, or if your point about the vanishing difference between the positions is significant in this case.

Would I be right to think this fact is significant in your judgment of the 2 guys?

2. OTOH, Rui is older -- & 3 years seems undeniably significant -- at least it typically is in the arc of an athlete from prospect to peak at about 27 years old.

Are you discounting this difference in the case of these 2 players? Maybe b/c Rui was late to the game and/or Deni has a ton of experience for someone who turned 20 years old 6 weeks ago? If so, what would make these factors favor Rui?

3. In now almost 2500 minutes of PT, Rui hasn't made any major jump in his overall level of productivity or even, statistically, in any single measurable aspect of his play (this is not to say he hasn't improved at all): he hasn't produced at a way higher level than he did as a rookie.

Does this rate of improvement factor into your view of his likely future? What if he were only to improve at this rate again next year?

Now, ideally, we'd like both guys to turn into extremely good NBA players. At the same time, it's also possible they both wind up meh NBA players. So, this question is really just about how one would look at a guy & predict his career. As things stand right now, you'd have to be nuts not to want Tyrese Haliburton over either of them. Truth is, you'd also have to be nuts not to want Keldon Johnson over either of them! Or Devin Vassell or Precious Achiuwa! Doesn't mean it'll wind up that way, but so far....

When evaluating young guys, I don't pay all that much attention to their numbers. I look at what they can and can't do and what they can reasonably be expected to learn to do.

I really feel like Hachimura can do the things that are really rare and hard to do (create his own shot, defend multiple positions in space without fouling, see the floor and make plays for others, be really long and athletic, have catcher's mitts for hands) and he is generally weak on the things that can be developed with hard work and experience (defensive positioning, consistent catch-and-shoot 3).

Deni, on the other hand, is only mediocre at the things that are really hard and rare, and he is already pretty well-developed at many of the things that are learnable with time and experience. I'm not saying Deni won't improve from here, he surely will. I definitely like him as a prospect. But I think Hachimura's ceiling is higher.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1068 » by payitforward » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:26 pm

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payitforward wrote::) ... I guess maybe if their new GM is a Wizards fan, he might do that trade. Otherwise, no.

Christian Wood is a bargain at his salary. No reason in the world to trade him. He's 25 & has many productive years ahead of him. IOW, you were right the first time -- you're dreaming.

In any case, since none of this is happening (again, that's something you said not me) there can be no way to resolve this kind of thing. Really, every year for the last 3 years you've said that we're one player (a guy we can get, too) away from being a contender in the East. Meanwhile, we post a .371 record over those 3 years. Not much of a path back to reality.


My contention over the last few years was that Beal was a legit All-NBA talent that is also a leader/professional that young players will follow. And that our draft picks/cheap adds such as Brown, Bryant, Bonga, Moe and Rui were great value and I saw us as a legit team.
I think having a bottom 5 coach in the NBA and Wall's career spiral for 2 years should earn me a bit of latitude....

You are my man, bro, & can have all the latitude you want! Aside from that, no one expects dyed-in-the-wool fans to be altogether objective! How could we be.

pcbothwel wrote:...Memphis with JJJ is an interesting situation. 1) JJJ has been underwhelming and injured and looks like Myles Turner is his best case scenario. 2) He is heading into the last year of his rookie deal making 9M. 3) Memphis is doing fine without him and has a full deck of bigs, both vets and young with JV, Dieng, Tillman & Clarke. Hell, they have Tillie and Porter simmering as well.

I could see them wanting to make a move sooner than later while also avoiding the inevitable overpay JJJ will get on his next contract. They are also one of the worst 3 point shooting teams as well, so Bertans might be an interesting add....

Straight up (if it were legal; I haven't checked) that trade would put them well into tax territory this year.

Then there's the question whether Jackson is actually any good. So far, no. So... how does he help? Or, to use your words -- why should we be the ones to do the over-paying you mention.

pcbothwel wrote:...Assuming Russ and Beal stay at the level they have been playing at as of late, then the 2 wildcards going into the offseason are
1) Rui and 2) Big

If Rui can maintain this higher level of energy and intensity while allowing the game to slow down a bit, then he's a legit 3 piece. especially if he can be more comfortable on the perimeter on both ends of the court allowing him to be more 3 than 4....

Sounds good, only... can you show me where Rui's "higher level of energy and intensity" is expressing itself in the numbers he puts up while he on the court?

I'm not trying to be snarky -- I'd just like someone to explain this, because I can't find it.

For sure there's been a slight improvement in 3-pt. shooting -- he's now only 4 percentage points below average on 3's, & that's on a way below average number of attempts. So, his TS% has gone up a bit. But... that's on lower usage than his rookie year.

In fact, this year, compared to his rookie year, Rui is scoring slightly fewer points, rebounding worse, his assist % is down, his block % is down, & his turnover % is up. I'm not a big believer in PER, but maybe you are: Rui's PER is down over 10% from last year.

I suppose asking these questions & mentioning these facts will get me called a Rui-hater. But, I'm not, so maybe an actual answer would be more useful.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1069 » by gambitx777 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:26 pm

That's really apples and oranges. Beal is the caliber of player where it's not really something you think of because right now he's not a piece or a chip he's the guy.
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gambitx777 wrote:I was very much expecting to trade Bertans . Him being hurt on top of the bad start makes that extra unlikely .

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One of the many reasons those of us who wanted Beal traded, wanted him moved sooner rather than later. Just hadn't applied it to Bertans, and this is the cost. However I don't think the team planned on trading him anyway. They're too stupid.


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Post#1070 » by nate33 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:26 pm

I caught a little of Zach Lowe's recent podcast when he discussed the LA Clippers. He pointed out that the Clippers have lost 8 of their last 13 and they're struggling because they've got nobody who can get to the rim or generate free throws. All they do is take jumpers. They also don't have many options because they don't have the chips to acquire a dynamic playmaker. They'd like Lonzo Ball, but it's not gonna happen. Kawhi can leave this summer and Ibaka isn't getting any younger. They might be getting a little desperate.

The one thing they do have is deep pockets. And we happen to have a dynamic playmaker who is definitely a difference maker, but is woefully expensive. Would the Clippers be interested in having a Big Three in LA? How is this trade?

Washington trades: Russell Westbrook, Mo Wagner
Washington receives: Zubac, Lou Williams, Pat Beverley, $12M TPE

LA Clippers trade: Zubac, Lou Williams, Pat Beverley, Marcus Morris
LA Clippers receive: Russell Westbrook, Mo Wagner

Boston trades: TPE
Boston receives: Marcus Morris

If you take Wagner and Zubac out, it works cap wise but there are problems with LA exceeding the hard cap. They need to unload an additional $4.5M, so I swapped Zubac for Wagner. The Clippers probably aren't thrilled about that, but I couldn't think of another way to unload salary. I guess we could take Kabangele and Patrick Patterson, but then they're sending out 5 guys and only getting back 1.

Obviously, the motivation for us is to dump Westbrook. Zubac is good and cheap. Williams is expiring. And Beverley is useful, has one more year left, and could probably be unloaded in the offseason if need be. That big TPE will be very useful, especially since, without Westbrook, we will have lot's of luxtax flexibility.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1071 » by payitforward » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:17 pm

nate33 wrote:When evaluating young guys, I don't pay all that much attention to their numbers. I look at what they can and can't do and what they can reasonably be expected to learn to do.

I really feel like Hachimura can do the things that are really rare and hard to do (create his own shot, defend multiple positions in space without fouling, see the floor and make plays for others, be really long and athletic) and he is generally weak on the things that can be developed with hard work and experience (defensive positioning, consistent catch-and-shoot 3)....

This is extremely useful, nate -- thanks.

A couple of those "can do" things for Rui do sound like capabilities that reflect athleticism. Given that his athleticism is real, those are likely to remain meaningful abilities that a guy with less athleticism will find much harder to improve at.

Thus, given an ability to "defend... in space without fouling," if he did develop "defensive positioning," he would become an outstanding defender. Thus, in that case the combination of a "natural" skill & areas for improvement through learning absolutely works to make one want to lift his defensive ceiling in one's mind. Especially since, as you have mentioned before, he has a reputation as a hard worker.

OTOH, others don't strike me as "real" in the same way. Thus, "see the floor and make plays for others," for example, is something I haven't found in Rui. Since he's well below average in assists, I'm not sure what you see that I'm missing.

nate33 wrote:...Deni, on the other hand, is only mediocre at the things that are really hard and rare, and he is already pretty well-developed at many of the things that are learnable with time and experience. I'm not saying Deni won't improve from here, he surely will. I definitely like him as a prospect. But I think Hachimura's ceiling is higher.

As with most analyses of this kind, you can see the strength in them, but usually that also sets their weaknesses in high relief.

For example, how high a guy's ceiling is... that's a different question from the one about how likely it is that he reaches that ceiling. The older a player is the less he is likely to add new levels of learned skills. & the later a guy learns a sport, the less likely he is to reach a high ceiling.

Yet, in this case, between Rui & Deni, you make no adjustment for age. This suggests that you might not be saying much more than "Rui Hachimura is a better athlete than Deni Avdija," & since "level of pure athleticism" doesn't correlate to "level of play" (see under Javale McGee) it's not clear how much there is in the analysis.

Note that tho these are general truths, they may not apply to Rui. Here, however, is where you would like to see some measurable skills improvement after 2500 minutes. Not much of that in the numbers.

One other perspective: suppose a year ago, someone with a crystal ball had told you that "1 year from now, Rui will post somewhat better numbers shooting the 3 & a slightly higher TS%, but he will post worse numbers from the FT line along with worse numbers in rebounding & assists. The other stuff will be essentially unchanged."

Would you have been happy to hear that overall? Would you have believed him?

I don't have a crystal ball, but what if 1 year from now, in his 3d year, Rui isn't a whole lot different from what he is now? When do we stop thinking he has a high ceiling?
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1072 » by payitforward » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:34 pm

nate33 wrote:I caught a little of Zach Lowe's recent podcast when he discussed the LA Clippers. He pointed out that the Clippers have lost 8 of their last 13 and they're struggling because they've got nobody who can get to the rim or generate free throws. All they do is take jumpers. They also don't have many options because they don't have the chips to acquire a dynamic playmaker. They'd like Lonzo Ball, but it's not gonna happen. Kawhi can leave this summer and Ibaka isn't getting any younger. They might be getting a little desperate.

The one thing they do have is deep pockets. And we happen to have a dynamic playmaker who is definitely a difference maker, but is woefully expensive. Would the Clippers be interested in having a Big Three in LA? How is this trade?

Washington trades: Russell Westbrook, Mo Wagner
Washington receives: Zubac, Lou Williams, Pat Beverley, $12M TPE

LA Clippers trade: Zubac, Lou Williams, Pat Beverley, Marcus Morris
LA Clippers receive: Russell Westbrook, Mo Wagner

Boston trades: TPE
Boston receives: Marcus Morris

If you take Wagner and Zubac out, it works cap wise but there are problems with LA exceeding the hard cap. They need to unload an additional $4.5M, so I swapped Zubac for Wagner. The Clippers probably aren't thrilled about that, but I couldn't think of another way to unload salary. I guess we could take Kabangele and Patrick Patterson, but then they're sending out 5 guys and only getting back 1.

Obviously, the motivation for us is to dump Westbrook. Zubac is good and cheap. Williams is expiring. And Beverley is useful, has one more year left, and could probably be unloaded in the offseason if need be. That big TPE will be very useful, especially since, without Westbrook, we will have lot's of luxtax flexibility.

Oh wow... that's a truly great trade. Amazingly, even tho it's great for us, it's possible to imagine it being good for the Clips as well.

It does put us & Boston at 16 players each, & it leaves the Clips at 14. Is there a way to send out Bertans to the Clips? :)
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Post#1075 » by doclinkin » Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:12 am

payitforward wrote:https://theathletic.com/2453409/2021/03/16/wizards-nba-trade-deadline-primer-what-were-hearing-about-bradley-beal-and-others/

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There have been some inconsistencies between how the Wizards’ front office and the coaching staff have evaluated their young players this season. The front office picked up Brown’s fourth-year option, but the coaching staff has mostly kept him off the floor. It’s been the opposite for Wagner, who had his fourth-year option declined but who has started 13 games (though he’s fallen out of the rotation the last two).
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Post#1077 » by pcbothwel » Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:23 am

payitforward wrote:
nate33 wrote:I caught a little of Zach Lowe's recent podcast when he discussed the LA Clippers. He pointed out that the Clippers have lost 8 of their last 13 and they're struggling because they've got nobody who can get to the rim or generate free throws. All they do is take jumpers. They also don't have many options because they don't have the chips to acquire a dynamic playmaker. They'd like Lonzo Ball, but it's not gonna happen. Kawhi can leave this summer and Ibaka isn't getting any younger. They might be getting a little desperate.

The one thing they do have is deep pockets. And we happen to have a dynamic playmaker who is definitely a difference maker, but is woefully expensive. Would the Clippers be interested in having a Big Three in LA? How is this trade?

Washington trades: Russell Westbrook, Mo Wagner
Washington receives: Zubac, Lou Williams, Pat Beverley, $12M TPE

LA Clippers trade: Zubac, Lou Williams, Pat Beverley, Marcus Morris
LA Clippers receive: Russell Westbrook, Mo Wagner

Boston trades: TPE
Boston receives: Marcus Morris

If you take Wagner and Zubac out, it works cap wise but there are problems with LA exceeding the hard cap. They need to unload an additional $4.5M, so I swapped Zubac for Wagner. The Clippers probably aren't thrilled about that, but I couldn't think of another way to unload salary. I guess we could take Kabangele and Patrick Patterson, but then they're sending out 5 guys and only getting back 1.

Obviously, the motivation for us is to dump Westbrook. Zubac is good and cheap. Williams is expiring. And Beverley is useful, has one more year left, and could probably be unloaded in the offseason if need be. That big TPE will be very useful, especially since, without Westbrook, we will have lot's of luxtax flexibility.

Oh wow... that's a truly great trade. Amazingly, even tho it's great for us, it's possible to imagine it being good for the Clips as well.

It does put us & Boston at 16 players each, & it leaves the Clips at 14. Is there a way to send out Bertans to the Clips? :)


Im not against that trade at all, but it would need to be part of a bigger vision. We save money, but downgrade in talent.
Is this part of a Full rebuild where we are moving Beal as well? If so, I would aim to move players to a 3rd team for assets/picks.
Or are we trying to add another max FA to go with a resigned Beal in 22/23?
Not sure how that unfolds as I dont see any realistic upgrades over Russ in that FA class. Harden, Durant, Curry, Butler, Kawhi... Seems a little tough to see them coming here, plus they are all older than Russ (Except Kawhi). Lavine could be interesting, but not a good fit with Beal.

If we are simply reshuffling around Beal, I think I prefer to take this Russ/Beal team into the offseason and let a new Exec/Coach make this decision. If Russ keeps up what hes been doing over the last month, then he may have more value than we think.

Again, not arguing about the value though.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1078 » by WallToWall » Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:56 am

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Well that sux, if true. I would hope for a trade to get a better C. If we can get more rebounding, AND scoring from ONE center, then we would be a much better team. Defensive rebounding would be very helpful.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

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Both Tommy Sheppard and Scott Brooks aren’t the only ones feeling frustration from the team’s inconsistency this season, as a few players have encouraged the front office to make a change within the next week, I’m told.


A few players... I wonder who that may be :lol:
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1080 » by gambitx777 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:27 am

I think all their names star with Brad and end in beal. The request probably went like. Get me drummand lol
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Oh boy:

Both Tommy Sheppard and Scott Brooks aren’t the only ones feeling frustration from the team’s inconsistency this season, as a few players have encouraged the front office to make a change within the next week, I’m told.


A few players... I wonder who that may be


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