Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested

dkb9696 · Post #181 » by **dkb9696** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:44 pm

dgr81 wrote:
dkb9696 wrote:
dkb9696 wrote:

Do not want Tyler Herro. Since when are the Raptors trading for terrible defensive players? I have witnessed Alex Caruso eyes light up when seeing scrawny Tyler Herro guarding him and just bully him for an easy layup. Alex Caruso. Give me Precious Achiuwa - 2021 1st round pick and what ever salary filler needed.

the heat don't have any first round picks to trade until 2025.

That is good to know, but unfortunate to learn.

Pooh_Jeter · Post #182 » by **Pooh_Jeter** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:47 pm

People who don't want Herro are crazy IMO. The juice he has shown as a creator and shotmaker is easily the best thing that could potentially be available. I think the chances the Heat would actually deal him are slim to none though.

I have very little interest in Nunn or Robinson. Both have to get paid and are role players. This team needs an injection of youth, cost controlled assets and shot creation. If you could snag Precious and a future first as a starting point that is decent.

I get why people like Thybulle, but again why would you settle for a limited ceiling role player who has to be extended after next year? He could be a piece of the package, but Maxey is easily a better haul. He is younger, has more cost control and has shown some shot creation ability.

baller16 · Post #183 » by **baller16** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:47 pm

dkb9696 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:It's not going to happen, but FVV/Herro/OG/Siakam would just be such a sweet core going forward.

Do not want Tyler Herro. Since when are the Raptors trading for terrible defensive players? I would rather Precious Achiuwa.

People act like we can just sign every 2-way player in the league. At some point we need to sacrifice our defense for some more offense. This team lacks a shot creator badly and we have enough team defense to cover a single liability

Post #184 » by **Duffman100** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:49 pm

baller16 wrote:
dkb9696 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:It's not going to happen, but FVV/Herro/OG/Siakam would just be such a sweet core going forward.

Do not want Tyler Herro. Since when are the Raptors trading for terrible defensive players? I would rather Precious Achiuwa.

People act like we can just sign every 2-way player in the league. At some point we need to sacrifice our defense for some more offense. This team lacks a shot creator badly and we have enough team defense to cover a single liability

I'm the biggest defensive advocate. It's my favourite side of the ball...

We need scorers...

dkb9696 · Post #185 » by **dkb9696** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:52 pm

Pooh_Jeter wrote:People who don't want Herro are crazy IMO. The juice he has shown as a creator and shotmaker is easily the best thing that could potentially be available. I think the chances the Heat would actually deal him are slim to none though.

I have very little interest in Nunn or Robinson. Both have to get paid and are role players. This team needs an injection of youth, cost controlled assets and shot creation. If you could snag Precious and a future first as a starting point that is decent.

I get why people like Thybulle, but again why would you settle for a limited ceiling role player who has to be extended after next year? He could be a piece of the package, but Maxey is easily a better haul. He is younger, has more cost control and has shown some shot creation ability.

I may be crazy but I have just seen Tyler Herro get emasculated by the like of Alex Caruso and I was out out on him after that.

Kordic27 · Post #186 » by **Kordic27** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:53 pm

Feels like this boils down to Precious (plus filler that'll be gone next year) or Maxey (plus filler that'll be gone next year) for Lowry. I'd imagine that the first team that kicks in a FRP will get it done.

pingpongrac · Post #187 » by **pingpongrac** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:00 pm

I think Herro is quite overrated after his playoff run last year, but of course I'd want him if we could get him. Herro + fillers for Lowry is probably as good as it's going to get, and Herro fits with the rest of our core (Siakam/FVV/OG) quite nicely. Maybe Powell could be kept beyond this year too in that scenario, with Herro coming off the bench for a while.

Kordic27 · Post #188 » by **Kordic27** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:07 pm

pingpongrac wrote:I think Herro is quite overrated after his playoff run last year, but of course I'd want him if we could get him. Herro + fillers for Lowry is probably as good as it's going to get, and Herro fits with the rest of our core (Siakam/FVV/OG) quite nicely. Maybe Powell could be kept beyond this year too in that scenario, with Herro coming off the bench for a while.

Haven't seen any Heat games at all this year, but I just checked out both Herro's and Robinson's stats and... I mean, not super impressive. Especially Herro. Shooting 42% and 32% from the three and he's NOT a good defender? I know he's young but...

baller16 · Post #189 » by **baller16** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:25 pm

dkb9696 wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:People who don't want Herro are crazy IMO. The juice he has shown as a creator and shotmaker is easily the best thing that could potentially be available. I think the chances the Heat would actually deal him are slim to none though.

I have very little interest in Nunn or Robinson. Both have to get paid and are role players. This team needs an injection of youth, cost controlled assets and shot creation. If you could snag Precious and a future first as a starting point that is decent.

I get why people like Thybulle, but again why would you settle for a limited ceiling role player who has to be extended after next year? He could be a piece of the package, but Maxey is easily a better haul. He is younger, has more cost control and has shown some shot creation ability.

I may be crazy but I have just seen Tyler Herro get emasculated by the like of Alex Caruso and I was out out on him after that.

So a 20 year old rookie gets clamped by a really good defender in the finals after putting up 17/4/3 on 46/36/82 against the Celtics. But yeah lets write him off.

Then wtf is Siakam after putting up 15/7/3 on 38/13/73 against the Celtics? Or FVV putting up 19/5/6 on 35/32/87? But hey lets only trade for defense only players though..

tecumseh18 · Post #190 » by **tecumseh18** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:30 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
baller16 wrote:
dkb9696 wrote:
Do not want Tyler Herro. Since when are the Raptors trading for terrible defensive players? I would rather Precious Achiuwa.

People act like we can just sign every 2-way player in the league. At some point we need to sacrifice our defense for some more offense. This team lacks a shot creator badly and we have enough team defense to cover a single liability

I'm the biggest defensive advocate. It's my favourite side of the ball...

We need scorers...

It's easier to defend after a make than a miss.

dTox · Post #191 » by **dTox** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:33 pm

If you are offered a player like Herro in return for Kyle, you take the deal and not think twice.

wtcantfw · Post #192 » by **wtcantfw** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:42 pm

Some of you are crazy. Herro is the type of shot creator and clutch scorer this team desperately lacks. I think he's having a down year, but he has the skillset to be great (minus defense). If you can get a young player like him for an expiring Lowry, you do it.

dkb9696 · Post #193 » by **dkb9696** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:05 pm

wtcantfw wrote:Some of you are crazy. Herro is the type of shot creator and clutch scorer this team desperately lacks. I think he's having a down year, but he has the skillset to be great (minus defense). If you can get a young player like him for an expiring Lowry, you do it.

The kid is just not very good. Trade for him and flip him might make sense though.

Zeno · Post #194 » by **Zeno** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:20 pm

dkb9696 wrote:
wtcantfw wrote:Some of you are crazy. Herro is the type of shot creator and clutch scorer this team desperately lacks. I think he's having a down year, but he has the skillset to be great (minus defense). If you can get a young player like him for an expiring Lowry, you do it.

The kid is just not very good. Trade for him and flip him might make sense though.

Yeah, Id just take him because I think he is perceived to have higher value and flip him. Nurse will bench his ass for sure.

Mark_83 · Post #195 » by **Mark_83** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:22 pm

Not a big fan of Herro, but if he were a piece I would flip him for another player that fits better or a high pick.

Herro + Precious + salary + FRP 2022 for Lowry + Thomas

douggood · Post #196 » by **douggood** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:24 pm

Mark_83 wrote:Not a big fan of Herro, but if he were a piece I would flip him for another player that fits better or a high pick.

Herro + Precious + salary + FRP 2022 for Lowry + Thomas

you are absolutely not getting 3 assets for lowry.

plus heat cannot trade any 1st rounders, and they have zero second rounders to trade.

dkb9696 · Post #197 » by **dkb9696** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:29 pm

Mark_83 wrote:Not a big fan of Herro, but if he were a piece I would flip him for another player that fits better or a high pick.

Herro + Precious + salary + FRP 2022 for Lowry + Thomas

I agree that this is too much. Can someone please clarify if Miami even have picks to trade please.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #198 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:32 pm

you just have to make sure Herro rebounds in his next year. sophomore slump or whatever. (if they don't flip him to a third team)

once you showcase Herro off enough, you can get someone else in terms of a trade.

douggood · Post #199 » by **douggood** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:35 pm

dkb9696 wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:Not a big fan of Herro, but if he were a piece I would flip him for another player that fits better or a high pick.

Herro + Precious + salary + FRP 2022 for Lowry + Thomas

I agree that this is too much. Can someone please clarify if Miami even have picks to trade please.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
have 1 second round pick (worst of 2022 den phi), have traded all thier own second round picks.

2021 1st rounder traded
2022 (cannot trade stepian rule)
2023 traded to OKC (protected until 2026)

they can trade a 2025/26/27 1st rounder only if they make a side deal with OKC to get rid of protections.

dkb9696 · Post #200 » by **dkb9696** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:39 pm

douggood wrote:
dkb9696 wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:Not a big fan of Herro, but if he were a piece I would flip him for another player that fits better or a high pick.

Herro + Precious + salary + FRP 2022 for Lowry + Thomas

I agree that this is too much. Can someone please clarify if Miami even have picks to trade please.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
have 1 second round pick (worst of 2022 den phi), have traded all thier own second round picks.

2021 1st rounder traded
2022 (cannot trade stepian rule)
2023 traded to OKC (protected until 2026)

they can trade a 2025/26/27 1st rounder only if they make a side deal with OKC to get rid of protections.

Thank you for breaking this down in great detail.