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Post#861 » by JJ From Deep » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:25 pm

Klayforspicy wrote:Zache Lowe and Rachel Nichols hyping up Norm and Lowry value on ESPN, crazy lol

ESPN should have known better to let the non-biased guys lead a Raps segment

Just curious, how do you catch ESPN feed here in Canada?
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Post#862 » by Badonkadonk » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:29 pm

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BramptonYute wrote:Herro is a pipe dream.

I would look to flip Robinson in a three team deal.


I don't think so. I think they'll give Herro if we stick to our guns man.

Don't want Robinson. There actually isn't as big a market for him as it looks and if we're going to pay someone $20M per this offseason, we'd be much better off giving that money to Norm.

Herro would be moved in a deal for a guy like Beal, not Lowry.

Herro has been trash all season, had 1 game where he shot the lights out in the playoffs and was otherwise exposed. Yes, he's "young", but he is so overhyped for his skillset.

Not sure why we'd even be talking about Robinson, he's in the same position as Norm and is about to command too much on the open market.

The best young guy that's been mentioned in rumours remains Thybulle. I hope the Raps lean Sixers over Heat, really don't like any of the latter's packages.
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Post#863 » by yt_boi » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:29 pm

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BramptonYute wrote:Herro is a pipe dream.

I would look to flip Robinson in a three team deal.


I don't think so. I think they'll give Herro if we stick to our guns man.

Don't want Robinson. There actually isn't as big a market for him as it looks and if we're going to pay someone $20M per this offseason, we'd be much better off giving that money to Norm.

Herro would be moved in a deal for a guy like Beal, not Lowry.

Herro has shot a 42% fg% his first 2 years and is shooting 31% from 3 this year. For a guy who is considered a shooter this isn't impressive.
I want him in the lowry trade but to say it would take someone like beal to get herro is crazy.

Herro fits a position of need, hes young and has a cheap contract next year so it doesn't mess up our cap room

For the heat, assuming they're trying to win it all when butler is still young, have norm who is playing better than herro this year and add lowry who is much better than dragic. If heat want to go all in this year and trading herro to add to better guys to help you win a chip then Miami should do it
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Post#864 » by Zeno » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:30 pm

If the Lakers were offering Schoder, Harrell,kCP and a 2027 1st and

Harrell, KCP were moved to Charlotte for Monk, Zeller and a few 2nds.

What could we get for an expiring Schoder?

We’d be sending the Lakers Lowry and Baynes
Getting Monk, Zeller, Schoder and a 1st. That is not that much worse then the Heat offers really assuming you can get something for Schoder.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

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Post#865 » by Rapsfan07 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:32 pm

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I don't think so. I think they'll give Herro if we stick to our guns man.

Don't want Robinson. There actually isn't as big a market for him as it looks and if we're going to pay someone $20M per this offseason, we'd be much better off giving that money to Norm.

Herro would be moved in a deal for a guy like Beal, not Lowry.

Herro has shot a 42% fg% his first 2 years and is shooting 31% from 3 this year. For a guy who is considered a shooter this isn't impressive.
I want him in the lowry trade but to say it would take someone like beal to get herro is crazy.

Herro fits a position of need, hes young and has a cheap contract next year so it doesn't mess up our cap room

For the heat, assuming they're trying to win it all when butler is still young, have norm who is playing better than herro this year and add lowry who is much better than dragic. If heat want to go all in this year and trading herro to add to better guys to help you win a chip then Miami should do it


Agreed. The issue is we've only heard of a Miami deal involving Lowry, not Norm. I strongly believe that if Norm was on the table to Miami, Riley would concede Herro.
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Post#867 » by RaptorPride » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:37 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
yt_boi wrote:
BramptonYute wrote:Herro would be moved in a deal for a guy like Beal, not Lowry.

Herro has shot a 42% fg% his first 2 years and is shooting 31% from 3 this year. For a guy who is considered a shooter this isn't impressive.
I want him in the lowry trade but to say it would take someone like beal to get herro is crazy.

Herro fits a position of need, hes young and has a cheap contract next year so it doesn't mess up our cap room

For the heat, assuming they're trying to win it all when butler is still young, have norm who is playing better than herro this year and add lowry who is much better than dragic. If heat want to go all in this year and trading herro to add to better guys to help you win a chip then Miami should do it


Agreed. The issue is we've only heard of a Miami deal involving Lowry, not Norm. I strongly believe that if Norm was on the table to Miami, Riley would concede Herro.

We should try and trade them in separate trades. We would get a lot more back then packaging them together.
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Post#870 » by bon » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:40 pm

Herro's defense and poor shooting this season does not matter at all in trade talks guys lol. "Potential" beats all.
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Post#871 » by Rapsfan07 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:42 pm

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PrinceAli wrote:I think Norm could be key in getting Miami to give up Herro. If it’s Kyle + Norm, Miami should be able to expand their package, including Herro

Would prefer Norm goes elsewhere for a protected first.

Not a huge fan of Precious and they don’t have picks.


Precious has proven that he can play the game at an NBA level and figures to be a rotational big at the very least that's still young and on a cost controlled contract.

And you'd rather take the chance on an unknown commodity at the bottom of the draft? what gives?
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Post#872 » by Rapsfan07 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:45 pm

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yt_boi wrote:Herro has shot a 42% fg% his first 2 years and is shooting 31% from 3 this year. For a guy who is considered a shooter this isn't impressive.
I want him in the lowry trade but to say it would take someone like beal to get herro is crazy.

Herro fits a position of need, hes young and has a cheap contract next year so it doesn't mess up our cap room

For the heat, assuming they're trying to win it all when butler is still young, have norm who is playing better than herro this year and add lowry who is much better than dragic. If heat want to go all in this year and trading herro to add to better guys to help you win a chip then Miami should do it


Agreed. The issue is we've only heard of a Miami deal involving Lowry, not Norm. I strongly believe that if Norm was on the table to Miami, Riley would concede Herro.

We should try and trade them in separate trades. We would get a lot more back then packaging them together.


I keep hearing people say this but I don't see how this adds up in real life.

Unless NOLA is willing to give up Ball for Powell straight up, then I can't see a realistic return for Norm better than packaging them together. Contenders are going to be trading for Norm which means that the highest pick you're going to get between 16-30 and expiring salary.

Why would anyone want that over a proven NBA talent?
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Post#873 » by RaptorPride » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:51 pm

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Agreed. The issue is we've only heard of a Miami deal involving Lowry, not Norm. I strongly believe that if Norm was on the table to Miami, Riley would concede Herro.

We should try and trade them in separate trades. We would get a lot more back then packaging them together.


I keep hearing people say this but I don't see how this adds up in real life.

Unless NOLA is willing to give up Ball for Powell straight up, then I can't see a realistic return for Norm better than packaging them together. Contenders are going to be trading for Norm which means that the highest pick you're going to get between 16-30 and expiring salary.

Why would anyone want that over a proven NBA talent?

That's an extra pick. All we get from Miami is guaranteeing Herro comes here. I'm still confident we can get Herro with out adding Norm.
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Post#874 » by mdenny » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:53 pm

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Klayforspicy wrote:Zache Lowe and Rachel Nichols hyping up Norm and Lowry value on ESPN, crazy lol

ESPN should have known better to let the non-biased guys lead a Raps segment

Just curious, how do you catch ESPN feed here in Canada?



TSN airs NBA the Jump at 3pm everyday.

I'm just watching it now. Indeed....they are hyping Lowry and norm as the big bait of the deadline.
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Post#876 » by Rapsfan07 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:58 pm

RaptorPride wrote:
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RaptorPride wrote:We should try and trade them in separate trades. We would get a lot more back then packaging them together.


I keep hearing people say this but I don't see how this adds up in real life.

Unless NOLA is willing to give up Ball for Powell straight up, then I can't see a realistic return for Norm better than packaging them together. Contenders are going to be trading for Norm which means that the highest pick you're going to get between 16-30 and expiring salary.

Why would anyone want that over a proven NBA talent?

That's an extra pick. All we get from Miami is guaranteeing Herro comes here. I'm still confident we can get Herro with out adding Norm.


I'm not at all. The risk is too great holding out and waiting. What happens when Miami pivots to Houston for a Dipo package? Then we're stuck with our dicks in our hands.

I would just add Norm, which guarantees Herro comes over and seek extra compensation on top of that. Probably a future first or Nunn.
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Post#877 » by Psubs » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:07 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
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I keep hearing people say this but I don't see how this adds up in real life.

Unless NOLA is willing to give up Ball for Powell straight up, then I can't see a realistic return for Norm better than packaging them together. Contenders are going to be trading for Norm which means that the highest pick you're going to get between 16-30 and expiring salary.

Why would anyone want that over a proven NBA talent?

That's an extra pick. All we get from Miami is guaranteeing Herro comes here. I'm still confident we can get Herro with out adding Norm.


I'm not at all. The risk is too great holding out and waiting. What happens when Miami pivots to Houston for a Dipo package? Then we're stuck with our dicks in our hands.

I would just add Norm, which guarantees Herro comes over and seek extra compensation on top of that. Probably a future first or Nunn.


I hope this gets done tonight. So they can focus on moving Powell quickly before someone trades for Oladipo.



Even if he's not that great (just an average of his 1st 2 seasons) the next 2 years, then his 2nd contract won't be in the $20 millions. :D

He just has swagger, being slight his ceiling might be Reggie Miller.
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Post#878 » by Rapsfan07 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:16 pm

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RaptorPride wrote:That's an extra pick. All we get from Miami is guaranteeing Herro comes here. I'm still confident we can get Herro with out adding Norm.


I'm not at all. The risk is too great holding out and waiting. What happens when Miami pivots to Houston for a Dipo package? Then we're stuck with our dicks in our hands.

I would just add Norm, which guarantees Herro comes over and seek extra compensation on top of that. Probably a future first or Nunn.


I hope this gets done tonight. So they can focus on moving Powell quickly before someone trades for Oladipo.



Even if he's not that great (just an average of his 1st 2 seasons) the next 2 years, then his 2nd contract won't be in the $20 millions. :D


Call me crazy but I think a lot of teams are going to wait to see whats happening with Powell before they make a move on Dipo. The league knows Dipo is going to be looking for a max deal so they have to also know that Powell, even at $20M per is a better bang for buck than Dipo at max. Once a Powell deal is announced, then I think you hear movement regarding Dipo.

Ujiri is holding out because he thinks he can get Herro and expirings for Lowry alone. Riley is holding out because he wants Norm as well if he's sending Herro.

Like I said, I'd just include Norm and ask for Herro, Precious, FRP or Nunn + Expirings or send Lowry to Philly for Maxey and 1st and Powell to another team for expirings and a first.

But Masai knows Herro is the best return he's going to get.
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Post#879 » by raptorstime » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:18 pm

Herro played way over his head in the Disney world bubble. We need to stop overrating other teams players.
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