Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson

nate33 wrote:Wagner was going to be gone in the offseason, as is Hutchinson. So this deal is basically Troy Brown at $5.2M for one more year for Gafford at $1.8M a year for the next 2 years. That seems like a pretty good deal to me.

I'm still annoyed that we wasted a year of TBJ's life by not developing him, but ultimately, I question whether he has the defensive chops to ever be anything more than a bench player. I feel like Gifford has more upside. With a bit more improvement, maybe he could be a Rashaun Holmes tier starting center. At the very least, he is the rim-runner/shot blocker archetype that should complement Bryant's stretch 5 archetype nicely.

I understand what you mean, & even in those terms you're right it was a solid move. But I hope Hutchison makes it.

It's not a question of ability with him, I don't think. He looked good as a rookie. But, obviously, there's some kind of problem -- maybe it really is "personal" & can go away. Hope so!

daSwami · Post #68 » by **daSwami** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:47 pm

Boringest trade ever. Sucks that TBJ is yet another wasted draft pick. I hope the change in scenery does him some good (a la Kelly Oubre). I'm sort of indifferent re: losing Wagner, since we have a logjam of **** stiffs at the 5 anyway.

Edited for (probably unintentional) inflammatory language
-nate33

payitforward · Post #69 » by **payitforward** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:05 pm

Ruzious wrote:
payitforward wrote:Gafford is a terrific young player. He was good as a rookie & better this year. I absolutely love this pick up.

Hutchison, otoh, is a mystery to me. But, if we got the guy I saw his rookie year... great. His 2d year was a slight drop -- but only b/c his usage was higher.

We didn't get worse overall; much more likely we got better. I don't like seeing Troy go, but we did well.

I'm curious about what you thought was great about Hutchison as a rookie and why you think he dropped in his 2nd year while his stats were clearly better.

Per 36 minutes, everything but scoring stayed about the same from his rookie year to year 2.

He scored more points at a higher TS% his second year -- which seems like it should be viewed as improvement. But, if you way way below average TS% as a rookie, & then your usage goes up a fair amount but you are still way (tho not "way way") below average -- the effect can be to actually make your impact worse rather than better. That's how it looks in Hutchison's case.

Obviously, that doesn't mean one would have liked his TS% to be lower rather than higher of course! But the effect on game results depends both on how well a guy does something & how much he does it.

80sballboy · Post #70 » by **80sballboy** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:15 pm

Tommy Shep is on at 6:30pmish on NBA Sports Washington in the Preview for the Knicks game (which starts at 7:30ET).

Post #71 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:15 pm

payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
payitforward wrote:Gafford is a terrific young player. He was good as a rookie & better this year. I absolutely love this pick up.

Hutchison, otoh, is a mystery to me. But, if we got the guy I saw his rookie year... great. His 2d year was a slight drop -- but only b/c his usage was higher.

We didn't get worse overall; much more likely we got better. I don't like seeing Troy go, but we did well.

I'm curious about what you thought was great about Hutchison as a rookie and why you think he dropped in his 2nd year while his stats were clearly better.

Per 36 minutes, everything but scoring stayed about the same from his rookie year to year 2.

He scored more points at a higher TS% his second year -- which seems like it should be viewed as improvement. But, if you way way below average TS% as a rookie, & then your usage goes up a fair amount but you are still way (tho not "way way") below average -- the effect can be to actually make your impact worse rather than better. That's how it looks in Hutchison's case.

Obviously, that doesn't mean one would have liked his TS% to be lower rather than higher of course! But the effect on game results depends both on how well a guy does something & how much he does it.

Ok, at least I understand your logic, but still when you increase your scoring attempts, it's a plus when the scoring efficiency doesn't decline. When you rarely shoot, you make it a 4 on 5 game - which was likely the case in his rookie year. Looking at the stats, he definitely was not good as a rookie.

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #72 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:16 pm

I don't miss Troy Brown Jr. like most; he wasn't a Sheppard pick and he was just blah. At least from the highlights Hutchison looks like he'd play with a bit more aggression; Brown on the other hand played with no real aggression ever or sense of urgency no matter his situation.

If you can't stand out on the Wizards' teams of the past two seasons, then you probably have zero determination or aspiration to make your mark in this league.

Not exactly salivating over the trade but it is needed change, I'm hopeful that both bring some element that was previously lacking.

JWizmentality · Post #73 » by **JWizmentality** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:22 pm

Troy Br Jr just wasn't that good. This team has had an unhealthy obsession with Jrs.

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #74 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:23 pm

Can live with the trade, expectations are lower with Hutchison than Troy Brown Jr., so whatever he adds will be welcomed. He also looks bigger on an NBA floor than his listed 6'6".

gambitx777 · Post #75 » by **gambitx777** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:31 pm

Gafford is cheap and will be cheap to keep sort of like a bryant situation . And which has a 2 mill team option. He will be a suitable replacement for robinson when we cut him to make room for a buy out guy

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Post #76 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:32 pm

JWizmentality wrote:Troy Br Jr just wasn't that good. This team has had an unhealthy obsession with Jrs.

Otoh, Chandler Hutchison sounds like a fake name taken from a John Grisham novel.

payitforward · Post #77 » by **payitforward** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:44 pm

Ruzious wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I'm curious about what you thought was great about Hutchison as a rookie and why you think he dropped in his 2nd year while his stats were clearly better.

Per 36 minutes, everything but scoring stayed about the same from his rookie year to year 2.

He scored more points at a higher TS% his second year -- which seems like it should be viewed as improvement. But, if you way way below average TS% as a rookie, & then your usage goes up a fair amount but you are still way (tho not "way way") below average -- the effect can be to actually make your impact worse rather than better. That's how it looks in Hutchison's case.

Obviously, that doesn't mean one would have liked his TS% to be lower rather than higher of course! But the effect on game results depends both on how well a guy does something & how much he does it.

Ok, at least I understand your logic, but still when you increase your scoring attempts, it's a plus when the scoring efficiency doesn't decline. When you rarely shoot, you make it a 4 on 5 game - which was likely the case in his rookie year. Looking at the stats, he definitely was not good as a rookie.

Absolutely -- how can you not view it as improvement if a year 2 player shoots more & also at a higher TS%? Yet, my other perspective is also true -- if your extra shots are still at a low FG%, then you are taking them away from other players who are more likely to make them. So, you can improve while your team is still making a lower % of its shots (i.e. the team has gotten worse).

Might not be much more to squeeze out of this!

But, wait... you write: "When you rarely shoot, you make it a 4 on 5 game," & it makes me think of what our idiot coach is doing with Garrison Mathews. He is one of our best shooters, but Brooks arranges for him not to get shots.

payitforward · Post #78 » by **payitforward** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:49 pm

Ruzious wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:Troy Br Jr just wasn't that good. This team has had an unhealthy obsession with Jrs.

Otoh, Chandler Hutchison sounds like a fake name taken from a John Grisham novel.

He changed his name -- used to be Hutch Chandlerson.

He was going to change his first name to "Chuck," but he doesn't shoot enough.

Also was thinking of changing his first name to "Clutch," but he doesn't shoot well enough.

Post #79 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:53 pm

payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:Troy Br Jr just wasn't that good. This team has had an unhealthy obsession with Jrs.

Otoh, Chandler Hutchison sounds like a fake name taken from a John Grisham novel.

He changed his name -- used to be Hutch Chandlerson.

He was going to change his first name to "Chuck," but he doesn't shoot enough.

Also was thinking of changing his first name to "Clutch," but he doesn't shoot well enough.

Mean (and poor spelling) people called him Clutz Chandlerson on his Twitter account, and that was the end of that. No wonder he took a sabbatical.

payitforward · Post #80 » by **payitforward** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:02 pm

Ruzious wrote:...Looking at the stats, he (Hutchison) definitely was not good as a rookie.

Look again, Ruz -- this time compare his defensive rebounds, offensive rebounds & turnovers to an average 3. He wasn't a scorer, but in every other way his numbers were exceptionally strong for a 3.

I'm not trying to make some big argument for how good Chandler Hutchison is. But he was a promising rookie & pretty good last year too.

The big question about him is this year... what went wrong for him in Chicago that they are hiding under "personal problem?" If that, whatever it is, can be straightened out, he can be a pretty productive NBA player.