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BlackOutBuzz wrote:Presumably the selling point here would be a bigger role than most which could lead to a bigger payday next year.
yosemiteben wrote:BlackOutBuzz wrote:Presumably the selling point here would be a bigger role than most which could lead to a bigger payday next year.
Not sure it resonates, but he also doesn't seem like the ring chasing, fall in line type either.
vtime wrote:Ok. Let’s be honest here. Andre Drummond is an all star talent puts up all star numbers year in and year out. People are sour on him solely based on contract, not his production and because the game has shifted to stretchier bigs. Saying he’s not a winner is blaming for the ineptitude the Pistons front office. He had Blake for a year and a played with no one else remotely close in Detroit. The full year he and Blake spent together 2019), they made the playoffs, and Blake missed the end of the year. He also was the lone All Star on their 2016 playoff team. His poor reputation is solely based on contract. He’s the best rebounder in basketball, one of the most physically imposing bigs and can score. Contract isn’t an issue the rest of this season. And then if you want to resign, try to keep it under 20 mil or less. There’s not a lot of teams with money, and less that need a starting center. No risk all reward. And despite being a 9 year vets he’s under 30 years old.
vtime wrote:Ok. Let’s be honest here. Andre Drummond is an all star talent puts up all star numbers year in and year out. People are sour on him solely based on contract...
In a way, Drummond’s role as a dominant defensive rebounder is like that of a prolific video-store renter, who’s always managed to nab the hit movie from Blockbuster as soon as it came out. It was an impressive feat before. But now, with Netflix—and hardly anyone else in the store—it’s not as meaningful a skill.
With most teams no longer emphasizing offensive boards, just 22.1% of attempts have been retrieved by the offense during the 2020–21 season—the lowest rate in NBA history, and an unrecognizable figure juxtaposed against the 1980s and ’90s, when one of out every of three misses went back to the offense.
It’s no secret that the proliferation of the three-point shot—which generally creates much longer rebound opportunities—has altered the game more than anything. At .696, the statistical correlation between three-point percentage and winning percentage in the NBA (with 0 showing no correlation, and 1 indicating direct correlation) has never been higher than it is now, according to data from Stats Perform.
Because of that shift, teams are all but forced to put more weight on players, centers or otherwise, who can capably defend the arc. Even a 7-footer like Roy Hibbert, who excelled at using verticality to protect the rim, found himself out of a job at age 30, in part because of his relative immobility. Just like there were no shots for the paint-tethered Hibbert to block if someone shot a triple, there are no rebounds for players like Drummond to grab if a sharpshooter hits a wide-open three.
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[I]n 2017 and 2018, the last two years LeBron James led the Cavs to the Finals, Cleveland ranked 18th and 24th, respectively, in rebound rate. They excelled from the perimeter instead.
With those sorts of teams having four or even all five players spaced out to the arc at times, they’ll see it as more worthwhile to focus on defense. “Statistically, it shows that if you get back every single time, you’re gonna save more points than you’d score by going to the glass [after offensive boards],” Rivers says.
And even when clubs do vie for offensive rebounds, because of the longer shots they’re taking, the misfires are likelier to bounce toward the perimeter than in previous eras. It means rebounders need more range. “Maybe 10 or 12 years ago, you’d only see a few types of guys going for [offensive boards]. Now, you see perimeter guys with that freedom, says Steve Clifford, who coaches the Magic. “With all the long rebounds now, there’s a larger area defensively you have to track in order to finish possessions.”
Which means quickness matters as much as, if not more than, traditional jockeying strength at times.
Clifford points out that a handful of teams last year—the Suns, Pacers, Grizzlies and Bulls—ranked near the top of the NBA in both putback efficiency and in transition defense, which may be the next type of players teams will seek. Which athletes have enough cat-like quickness and basketball instincts to jump into the fray from the three-point line and come up with the ball while still getting back to help defend?
They probably aren’t ones whose games resemble Drummond’s. In a fast-paced game of musical chairs, with teams shape-shifting their rosters around an unprecedented spike in three-point shooting, the overhaul has at least temporarily left the generation’s best rebounder without a seat.
https://www.si.com/nba/2021/03/25/andre-drummond-rebounding-daily-cover
BigSlam wrote:Drummond was actually pretty good passer/ball mover at UConn. He drew some early Shaq comparisons in that way.
BlackOutBuzz wrote:2nd most, we're the only team that has capspace aside from the Knicks. Of course, the Knicks have a ton, and we cut ours by more than half by acquiring Wanamaker. Still, it's more than any contender can offer.Rich4114 wrote:Aren’t we able to offer him the most for the rest of this season? Might not be a meaningful difference but still
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luciano-davidwesley wrote:BlackOutBuzz wrote:2nd most, we're the only team that has capspace aside from the Knicks. Of course, the Knicks have a ton, and we cut ours by more than half by acquiring Wanamaker. Still, it's more than any contender can offer.Rich4114 wrote:Aren’t we able to offer him the most for the rest of this season? Might not be a meaningful difference but still
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yosemiteben wrote:BigSlam wrote:Drummond was actually pretty good passer/ball mover at UConn. He drew some early Shaq comparisons in that way.
There are a bunch of articles from back in 2017 when it looked like he'd turned the corner into a franchise big with a decent passing game.
https://thebasketballnetwork.com/andre-drummond-elite-passing-big/
https://fansided.com/2017/11/22/andre-drummond-pistons-post-up-passing/
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/2017/11/08/detroit-pistons-andre-drummond/839979001/
BlackOutBuzz wrote:luciano-davidwesley wrote:BlackOutBuzz wrote:2nd most, we're the only team that has capspace aside from the Knicks. Of course, the Knicks have a ton, and we cut ours by more than half by acquiring Wanamaker. Still, it's more than any contender can offer.
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