The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

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I fully expect Silver to hand the Raps the #1 spot, or at least a top 5 pick. But just in case, what are the best options 6-10? Here are some possibilities based on the latest Fansided mock.

Franz Wagner- forward
Scottie Barnes - forward
Keon Johnon - wing
Jalen Johnson - forward
Jaden Springer - guard

Honourable mention:
James Bouknight - scoring guard
Moses Moody - 6' 8" skinny wing who can really shoot (nbadraft has Raps taking him at #7)
Corey Kispert - SF (hard no)
Ziaire Williams - SF
Kai Jones - athletic C - but skinny, not a rebounder, not a playmaker

How would any of you rank these guys? Honestly, Moody is the only one out of the top 5 who excites me. Given that OG can defend the 2, I'd like to just go big. Disclaimer - I wouldn't be at all disappointed if Raps ended up with Suggs.

A bit worry about the defense of Kispert and Wagner, may not be a plus defender, so I am unsure Nurse will draft them.
Meanwhile, the last game I watched on Moody, he didn't impress me on offense, jump shot after jump shot:

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Wagner is arguably the best defender on a top defensive Michigan team. He may not be lockdown but he rebounds, gets blocks, steals, doesn't foul and makes defenders alter their shots.

[raptor jesus]

I fully expect Silver to hand the Raps the #1 spot, or at least a top 5 pick. But just in case, what are the best options 6-10? Here are some possibilities based on the latest Fansided mock.

Franz Wagner- forward
Scottie Barnes - forward
Keon Johnon - wing
Jalen Johnson - forward
Jaden Springer - guard

Honourable mention:
James Bouknight - scoring guard
Moses Moody - 6' 8" skinny wing who can really shoot (nbadraft has Raps taking him at #7)
Corey Kispert - SF (hard no)
Ziaire Williams - SF
Kai Jones - athletic C - but skinny, not a rebounder, not a playmaker

How would any of you rank these guys? Honestly, Moody is the only one out of the top 5 who excites me. Given that OG can defend the 2, I'd like to just go big. Disclaimer - I wouldn't be at all disappointed if Raps ended up with Suggs.

A bit worry about the defense of Kispert and Wagner, may not be a plus defender, so I am unsure Nurse will draft them.
Meanwhile, the last game I watched on Moody, he didn't impress me on offense, jump shot after jump shot:

Watch on YouTube

Yeah I watched every Arkansas game in the tourney, and I was stunned to find out that Moody was considered a potential lottery pick. He barely stood out; all he did was spot up or one-dribble pull ups. I'm not saying he doesn't have a place in the league, but from what I saw, I think it'll be in a limited role (not the type you wanna spend lottery picks on imo).

[Dalek]

I fully expect Silver to hand the Raps the #1 spot, or at least a top 5 pick. But just in case, what are the best options 6-10? Here are some possibilities based on the latest Fansided mock.

Franz Wagner- forward
Scottie Barnes - forward
Keon Johnon - wing
Jalen Johnson - forward
Jaden Springer - guard

Honourable mention:
James Bouknight - scoring guard
Moses Moody - 6' 8" skinny wing who can really shoot (nbadraft has Raps taking him at #7)
Corey Kispert - SF (hard no)
Ziaire Williams - SF
Kai Jones - athletic C - but skinny, not a rebounder, not a playmaker

How would any of you rank these guys? Honestly, Moody is the only one out of the top 5 who excites me. Given that OG can defend the 2, I'd like to just go big. Disclaimer - I wouldn't be at all disappointed if Raps ended up with Suggs.

There is no way Moody is 6'8". I think he measures out at 6'6" which is fine, but not elite. I think he is most like Kris Middleton or a Wes Matthews coming in. He will fit any team, but don't expect him to be a star. Weird to think that Montverde Academy had Cade, Moody, Barnes, Day'Ron Sharpe, Caleb Houston, Ryan Nembhard all at the same time. Such a stacked team.

6. Bouknight because he is a great athlete with high level creation ability. If you can get a guy who fits the Jamal Murray, D.Mitchell archetype you have to take it. It is a guard's game and Toronto doesn't have anyone close to Bouknight's talent. He'd be a guy that brings immediate impact.

7. Jalen Johnson because he shows a great mix of upside and skill. Hard to be a dominant player playing on Duke, so in some ways he might be underrated after college. He'd be a nice fit with fellow Dukey Gary Trent Jr.

8. Kai Jones just has plus size, wingspan, shooting skill. He'd the guy I would like to see after a full summer of training and development. He could be special but you have to be patient with him.

The guy I need to watch more film on Ziaire Williams. I have to say being around 6'8" with his good shooting form and crazy length, he reminds me of a poorman's Brandon Ingram coming in.

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Yeah I watched every Arkansas game in the tourney, and I was stunned to find out that Moody was considered a potential lottery pick. He barely stood out; all he did was spot up or one-dribble pull ups. I'm not saying he doesn't have a place in the league, but from what I saw, I think it'll be in a limited role (not the type you wanna spend lottery picks on imo).

Is he a less athletic Oubre?

[Indeed]

I fully expect Silver to hand the Raps the #1 spot, or at least a top 5 pick. But just in case, what are the best options 6-10? Here are some possibilities based on the latest Fansided mock.

Franz Wagner- forward
Scottie Barnes - forward
Keon Johnon - wing
Jalen Johnson - forward
Jaden Springer - guard

Honourable mention:
James Bouknight - scoring guard
Moses Moody - 6' 8" skinny wing who can really shoot (nbadraft has Raps taking him at #7)
Corey Kispert - SF (hard no)
Ziaire Williams - SF
Kai Jones - athletic C - but skinny, not a rebounder, not a playmaker

How would any of you rank these guys? Honestly, Moody is the only one out of the top 5 who excites me. Given that OG can defend the 2, I'd like to just go big. Disclaimer - I wouldn't be at all disappointed if Raps ended up with Suggs.

A bit worry about the defense of Kispert and Wagner, may not be a plus defender, so I am unsure Nurse will draft them.
Meanwhile, the last game I watched on Moody, he didn't impress me on offense, jump shot after jump shot:

Watch on YouTube

Wagner is arguably the best defender on a top defensive Michigan team. He may not be lockdown but he rebounds, gets blocks, steals, doesn't foul and makes defenders alter their shots.

Help defense, yes, individual defense may want to see his lane agility test. I feel he is Olynyk type of defender, who can be good at positional defense, but may get blowby if they get a switch.

[Mark_83]

I think if we draft Kuminga the best course of action would be to trade Siakam because Kuminga provides a lot of what siakam provides and it would become redundant.

Regardless I hope we draft BPA and worry about moves that need to be made afterwards. We need to hit on this pick since we don’t want to be back in the lottery again soon

For me I would prefer option A, and play Kuminga at the 2 like Jaylen Brown.

It's not ideal from a shooting perspective and would put pressure on either Kuminga, Pascal, or both to be improve their distance shooting, but this lineup would give us an elite defensive unit that can match up with anyone (especially if we add a stretch 5 center who can protect the rim and rebound).

Kuminga imo can play the 2 or 3 like Jaylen Brown and switch 1 through 4 on defense. OG can switch 1 through 5. Pascal 2 through 4, and Vanvleet 1 and 2.

If anything you put OG at the 2 since he's the best shooter of the group. JK at the SF spot and PS at the 4. This forces OG to develop an adequate handle to be able to get to wing. He'll be able to put more guards in the post and operate out of there for a little.

I put JK at the 2 mostly because Nurse likes his 1 and 2 to play on the ball (its why he plays 2 pg limeups) and JK is a superior ball handler to OG. Kuminga can already make plays and shots off the dribble and will only get better, whereas OG is only starting to do those things. JK's shooting will get up to par, but he has more of the present skills Nurse is seeking at the position.

[Marty_Budda]

I think kuminga is very overlooked by some of you. The kid just turned 18 and is by far the youngest of all the top prospects. Yes I know he wasn’t super efficient in the G league but looking at his shot, it doesn’t appear to be broken. Also all of the tools are there - projected to be a good defender, uber athletic, sees the floor well. If he’s committed to getting better and works hard to improve his shooting and ball handling he may be the best of the bunch.

[Bruin]

I think kuminga is very overlooked by some of you. The kid just turned 18 and is by far the youngest of all the top prospects. Yes I know he wasn’t super efficient in the G league but looking at his shot, it doesn’t appear to be broken. Also all of the tools are there - projected to be a good defender, uber athletic, sees the floor well. If he’s committed to getting better and works hard to improve his shooting and ball handling he may be the best of the bunch.

I’m high on him too. He seems to have a good work ethic so I’m sure he’ll become a great player. Only player I have above him is Cade otherwise I think he’s on the same tier of a prospect as Mobley

[Marty_Budda]

I think kuminga is very overlooked by some of you. The kid just turned 18 and is by far the youngest of all the top prospects. Yes I know he wasn’t super efficient in the G league but looking at his shot, it doesn’t appear to be broken. Also all of the tools are there - projected to be a good defender, uber athletic, sees the floor well. If he’s committed to getting better and works hard to improve his shooting and ball handling he may be the best of the bunch.

I’m high on him too. He seems to have a good work ethic so I’m sure he’ll become a great player. Only player I have above him is Cade otherwise I think he’s on the same tier of a prospect as Mobley

I think since he’s a perimeter player I’d have him ahead of Mobley but as a result of his g league season he’ll go 5th. All we need is a top 5 pick and I’ll be happy with anyone that we draft to be honest.

If we get the #3 pick for example it wouldn’t surprise me if Masai trades down to the 5th pick.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Yeah I watched every Arkansas game in the tourney, and I was stunned to find out that Moody was considered a potential lottery pick. He barely stood out; all he did was spot up or one-dribble pull ups. I'm not saying he doesn't have a place in the league, but from what I saw, I think it'll be in a limited role (not the type you wanna spend lottery picks on imo).

Is he a less athletic Oubre?

He's way smarter than Oubre, cmon. This is one of the guys I hope we end up with. His ballhandling needs a lot of work, but he's really young.

imo this is exactly the kind of pick you take in the lottery, for a number of reasons:

1) Legit NBA skill that can help any team. He has his jumper.
2) Two way potential. He's a willing and athletic defender. Looks like he can guard 1s, 2s and 3s at the pro level.
3) High IQ, high character. You're not going to have to worry about him getting caught up in the spotlight at such a young age.
4) super young. Is he the youngest kid in the draft? It gives the opportunity for those "evolutionary" leaps that help players outplay their draft slot.
5) No pressure "running the show." You don't have to hand him the ball and franchise and let the mistakes pile up. You can bring him in off the bench as 3&D and let him feel his way into the league while his skills improve.

Looking at how well Siakam, DeRozan and OG developed their handles in Toronto, I'd feel encouraged that Moody could work out well here.

[Dalek]

I think kuminga is very overlooked by some of you. The kid just turned 18 and is by far the youngest of all the top prospects. Yes I know he wasn’t super efficient in the G league but looking at his shot, it doesn’t appear to be broken. Also all of the tools are there - projected to be a good defender, uber athletic, sees the floor well. If he’s committed to getting better and works hard to improve his shooting and ball handling he may be the best of the bunch.

I completely agree with you. The Kuminga hype comes and goes but people often forget the age and that he reclassified to join this class. He actually should be the 2022 class. When he was healthy playing his first few G-League games he was the best player on the floor. His issue was with shot selection not that he is a poor shooter, but he already has an NBA ready body and he is going to be a good defender.

I think many people here just have a hard time slotting him in with Siakam and OG who are very similar. A big like Mobley, or a creator jumbo creator like Cade or elite SG like Green are all easy guys that immediately raise Toronto's ceiling. With Kuminga, it might not be an easy fit. Still would not hesitate to take him in the top five, but I can see why people have questions here.

[Marty_Budda]

I think kuminga is very overlooked by some of you. The kid just turned 18 and is by far the youngest of all the top prospects. Yes I know he wasn’t super efficient in the G league but looking at his shot, it doesn’t appear to be broken. Also all of the tools are there - projected to be a good defender, uber athletic, sees the floor well. If he’s committed to getting better and works hard to improve his shooting and ball handling he may be the best of the bunch.

I completely agree with you. The Kuminga hype comes and goes but people often forget the age and that he reclassified to join this class. He actually should be the 2022 class. When he was healthy playing his first few G-League games he was the best player on the floor. His issue was with shot selection not that he is a poor shooter, but he already has an NBA ready body and he is going to be a good defender.

I think many people here just have a hard time slotting him in with Siakam and OG who are very similar. A big like Mobley, or a creator jumbo creator like Cade or elite SG like Green are all easy guys that immediately raise Toronto's ceiling. With Kuminga, it might not be an easy fit. Still would not hesitate to take him in the top five, but I can see why people have questions here.

I think kuminga can fit. It’ll help us play positionless basketball. As he develops kuminga can play SG.

Fvv
Kuminga
OG
Pascal
C

On defense that’s a great team. On offense, pascal and kuminga need to improve their shooting.

[Kurtz]

I think kuminga is very overlooked by some of you. The kid just turned 18 and is by far the youngest of all the top prospects. Yes I know he wasn’t super efficient in the G league but looking at his shot, it doesn’t appear to be broken. Also all of the tools are there - projected to be a good defender, uber athletic, sees the floor well. If he’s committed to getting better and works hard to improve his shooting and ball handling he may be the best of the bunch.

He's young, but he already has a man's body. He is impressive, no doubt, but when I watch Ignite highlights, it's Green that absolutely fking blows me away.

Jalen Green has superstar written all over him, and the viciousness with which he finishes is going to make him the most exciting player in the game, I think.

For me, right now, it's:

Cade/Green as 1a/1b. Suggs and Mobley will also be stars.

After that, it's more hit and miss. I hope we stay away from Wagner - he'll be a player, but I don't sense stardom.

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I think kuminga is very overlooked by some of you. The kid just turned 18 and is by far the youngest of all the top prospects. Yes I know he wasn’t super efficient in the G league but looking at his shot, it doesn’t appear to be broken. Also all of the tools are there - projected to be a good defender, uber athletic, sees the floor well. If he’s committed to getting better and works hard to improve his shooting and ball handling he may be the best of the bunch.

I completely agree with you. The Kuminga hype comes and goes but people often forget the age and that he reclassified to join this class. He actually should be the 2022 class. When he was healthy playing his first few G-League games he was the best player on the floor. His issue was with shot selection not that he is a poor shooter, but he already has an NBA ready body and he is going to be a good defender.

I think many people here just have a hard time slotting him in with Siakam and OG who are very similar. A big like Mobley, or a creator jumbo creator like Cade or elite SG like Green are all easy guys that immediately raise Toronto's ceiling. With Kuminga, it might not be an easy fit. Still would not hesitate to take him in the top five, but I can see why people have questions here.

It's a nice problem to have. Just let Kuminga earn a spot beating out Trent. If he doesn't he can come off the bench until next season. OG defending SG's and SF on offense. Kuminga defending SF's and SG on offense in the long run. That size across should help with the rebounding.

[Marty_Budda]

I think kuminga is very overlooked by some of you. The kid just turned 18 and is by far the youngest of all the top prospects. Yes I know he wasn’t super efficient in the G league but looking at his shot, it doesn’t appear to be broken. Also all of the tools are there - projected to be a good defender, uber athletic, sees the floor well. If he’s committed to getting better and works hard to improve his shooting and ball handling he may be the best of the bunch.

He's young, but he already has a man's body. He is impressive, no doubt, but when I watch Ignite highlights, it's Green that absolutely fking blows me away.

Jalen Green has superstar written all over him, and the viciousness with which he finishes is going to make him the most exciting player in the game, I think.

For me, right now, it's:

Cade/Green as 1a/1b. Suggs and Mobley will also be stars.

After that, it's more hit and miss. I hope we stay away from Wagner - he'll be a player, but I don't sense stardom.

Jalen is the more polished offensive player for sure. But kuminga has far higher 2 way upside. I’d even argue he has better potential as a passer. On top of being 10 months younger than green or whatever it is.

Think Kawhi vs Bradley Beal. The 2 way player will always be better.

[Kurtz]

I think kuminga is very overlooked by some of you. The kid just turned 18 and is by far the youngest of all the top prospects. Yes I know he wasn’t super efficient in the G league but looking at his shot, it doesn’t appear to be broken. Also all of the tools are there - projected to be a good defender, uber athletic, sees the floor well. If he’s committed to getting better and works hard to improve his shooting and ball handling he may be the best of the bunch.

He's young, but he already has a man's body. He is impressive, no doubt, but when I watch Ignite highlights, it's Green that absolutely fking blows me away.

Jalen Green has superstar written all over him, and the viciousness with which he finishes is going to make him the most exciting player in the game, I think.

For me, right now, it's:

Cade/Green as 1a/1b. Suggs and Mobley will also be stars.

After that, it's more hit and miss. I hope we stay away from Wagner - he'll be a player, but I don't sense stardom.

Jalen is the more polished offensive player for sure. But kuminga has far higher 2 way upside. I’d even argue he has better potential as a passer. On top of being 10 months younger than green or whatever it is.

Think Kawhi vs Bradley Beal. The 2 way player will always be better.

I gotta see more of these kids, but just going off highlights, I think Green's defensive upside is huge. Good length, speed, aggressiveness - he can be a terror on the defensive end. Kuminga is bigger/slower, he's got good measurements but I don't think it's Kawhi level good. If I was to guess who'd be a better defender right now, I think I'd go with Green.

[Marty_Budda]

He's young, but he already has a man's body. He is impressive, no doubt, but when I watch Ignite highlights, it's Green that absolutely fking blows me away.

Jalen Green has superstar written all over him, and the viciousness with which he finishes is going to make him the most exciting player in the game, I think.

For me, right now, it's:

Cade/Green as 1a/1b. Suggs and Mobley will also be stars.

After that, it's more hit and miss. I hope we stay away from Wagner - he'll be a player, but I don't sense stardom.

Jalen is the more polished offensive player for sure. But kuminga has far higher 2 way upside. I’d even argue he has better potential as a passer. On top of being 10 months younger than green or whatever it is.

Think Kawhi vs Bradley Beal. The 2 way player will always be better.

I gotta see more of these kids, but just going off highlights, I think Green's defensive upside is huge. Good length, speed, aggressiveness - he can be a terror on the defensive end. Kuminga is bigger/slower, he's got good measurements but I don't think it's Kawhi level good. If I was to guess who'd be a better defender right now, I think I'd go with Green.

Completely agree. 15 g league games isn’t close to enough.

[HeadtopChunes]

Green and Kuminga are both pretty bad defenders, Kuminga has slow feet for a SF and Greens defensive awareness is barely there

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He's young, but he already has a man's body. He is impressive, no doubt, but when I watch Ignite highlights, it's Green that absolutely fking blows me away.

Jalen Green has superstar written all over him, and the viciousness with which he finishes is going to make him the most exciting player in the game, I think.

For me, right now, it's:

Cade/Green as 1a/1b. Suggs and Mobley will also be stars.

After that, it's more hit and miss. I hope we stay away from Wagner - he'll be a player, but I don't sense stardom.

Jalen is the more polished offensive player for sure. But kuminga has far higher 2 way upside. I’d even argue he has better potential as a passer. On top of being 10 months younger than green or whatever it is.

Think Kawhi vs Bradley Beal. The 2 way player will always be better.

I gotta see more of these kids, but just going off highlights, I think Green's defensive upside is huge. Good length, speed, aggressiveness - he can be a terror on the defensive end. Kuminga is bigger/slower, he's got good measurements but I don't think it's Kawhi level good. If I was to guess who'd be a better defender right now, I think I'd go with Green.

Jalen Green is Zach Lavine 2.0.

[tdotrep2]

James Bouknight is my 6th pick eaaaaasily, i would even consider him to be on the level of the top 5. dudes nasty man