Peregrine01 wrote:No but I think this year brings into question Bob Myers' GM skills.
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Peregrine01 wrote:No but I think this year brings into question Bob Myers' GM skills.
Warriors Analyst wrote:Steph's point differential per 100 possessions is pretty much in line with what it's been since Kerr took over:
2014-15: +16.3
2015-16: +21.3
2016-17: +17.6
2017-18: +13.0
2018-19: +17.5
2019-20 (5 games): -3.6
2020-2021: +14.3
So all things considered, yes, he's performed slightly worse than in years past, but given his surrounding cast, that's hardly a surprise.
But Steph's impact is pretty stable. When he's on the court, the Warriors are a much better team. It's just... they're still not that good with him on the court, which means they're terrible without him.
I've listed below the Warriors' point differential in the Kerr era as well as Curry's to make my point. It's not a perfect methodology here since I don't have the means to account for games Steph missed, but it is still pretty striking:
2014-15: +12.1 (Steph +16.3)
2015-16: +11.6 (Steph +21.3)
2016-17: +12.8 (Steph +17.6)
2017-18: +7.2 (Steph +13.0)
2018-19: +7.9 (Steph +17.5)
2019-2020: -9.6 (5 games of Steph -3.6)
2020-21: -1.7 (Steph +14.3)
So if we subtract Steph's impact you're left with... the following point differential, more or less, without Steph in those years:
2014-15: -4.2
2015-16: -9.7
2016-17: -4.8
2017-18: -5.8
2018-19: -9.6
2019-20: -6.0
2020-21: -16.0
LA Bird wrote:Warriors Analyst wrote:Steph's point differential per 100 possessions is pretty much in line with what it's been since Kerr took over:
2014-15: +16.3
2015-16: +21.3
2016-17: +17.6
2017-18: +13.0
2018-19: +17.5
2019-20 (5 games): -3.6
2020-2021: +14.3
So all things considered, yes, he's performed slightly worse than in years past, but given his surrounding cast, that's hardly a surprise.
But Steph's impact is pretty stable. When he's on the court, the Warriors are a much better team. It's just... they're still not that good with him on the court, which means they're terrible without him.
I've listed below the Warriors' point differential in the Kerr era as well as Curry's to make my point. It's not a perfect methodology here since I don't have the means to account for games Steph missed, but it is still pretty striking:
2014-15: +12.1 (Steph +16.3)
2015-16: +11.6 (Steph +21.3)
2016-17: +12.8 (Steph +17.6)
2017-18: +7.2 (Steph +13.0)
2018-19: +7.9 (Steph +17.5)
2019-2020: -9.6 (5 games of Steph -3.6)
2020-21: -1.7 (Steph +14.3)
So if we subtract Steph's impact you're left with... the following point differential, more or less, without Steph in those years:
2014-15: -4.2
2015-16: -9.7
2016-17: -4.8
2017-18: -5.8
2018-19: -9.6
2019-20: -6.0
2020-21: -16.0
Source for your 2021 on/off numbers? According to both NBA and basketball reference, Curry's on/off stats have dropped considerably this year compared to past seasons.
NBA
2015: +16.3 on, -3.5 off, +19.8 net
2016: +17.7 on, -5.4 off, +23.1 net
2017: +17.4 on, -2.0 off, +19.4 net
2018: +13.0 on, +0.3 off, +12.7 net
2019: +13.7 on, -4.3 off, +18.0 net
2021: +2.0 on, -5.9 off, +7.9 net
Source: https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612744/onoffcourt-advanced/
BBR
2015: +16.7 on, -1.4 off, +18.1 net
2016: +18.0 on, -4.6 off, +22.6 net
2017: +17.1 on, -0.1 off, +17.2 net
2018: +13.2 on, +1.0 off, +12.2 net
2019: +13.2 on, -3.0 off, +16.2 net
2021: +1.6 on, -4.9 off, +6.5 net
Source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/on-off/2021
Warriors Analyst wrote:I was having trouble navigating NBA's page. I used Cleaning the Glass.
https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/787/onoff#tab-team_efficiency
I was using efficiency differential: points per 100 possessions minus points allowed per 100 posessions.
LA Bird wrote:Warriors Analyst wrote:I was having trouble navigating NBA's page. I used Cleaning the Glass.
https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/787/onoff#tab-team_efficiency
I was using efficiency differential: points per 100 possessions minus points allowed per 100 posessions.
Interesting, usually the CTG stats don't differ too much from the other sources. Not sure what is going on here but ok.
cdubbz wrote:Donte DiVincenzo will outplay Poole this season.
Is he not accountable for playing more minutes?parsnips33 wrote:Might wanna look at only minutes he's in the game, just anecdotally our bench units have been let's say offensively challenged
KobesScarf wrote:Is he not accountable for playing more minutes?parsnips33 wrote:Might wanna look at only minutes he's in the game, just anecdotally our bench units have been let's say offensively challenged
70sFan wrote:If you want to use Warriors offense without Curry as a proof of something, it's better to compare it to other teams results without their offensive anchors as well. Otherwise, it's pointless and I don't say it to downgrade Steph.
70sFan wrote:If you want to use Warriors offense without Curry as a proof of something, it's better to compare it to other teams results without their offensive anchors as well. Otherwise, it's pointless and I don't say it to downgrade Steph.
Pelly24 wrote:To me Steph is just doing fine, but not much better. People always want to put down Westbrook for his MVP year, but I think he quite possibly gets this warriors team to a better record in that year. IDK. I think Steph also just has certain problems while being on the ball. He just has physical limitations. The numbers show that he's a big deal and doing a solid job but idk. Harden would have this team in the playoffs, so I think this makes Harden and Curry more of a toss up than people have been willing to admit.
Warriors Analyst wrote:Pelly24 wrote:To me Steph is just doing fine, but not much better. People always want to put down Westbrook for his MVP year, but I think he quite possibly gets this warriors team to a better record in that year. IDK. I think Steph also just has certain problems while being on the ball. He just has physical limitations. The numbers show that he's a big deal and doing a solid job but idk. Harden would have this team in the playoffs, so I think this makes Harden and Curry more of a toss up than people have been willing to admit.
In what world have you watched this year's Warriors team and come to the conclusion that 2016-17 Russ makes the Warriors better than Steph this year? My god. The Warriors' single biggest issue is their inability to space the floor. Russ compounds that. Russ/Dray PNR's would have defenders planted below the three free throw line and Russ' 2P% efficiency would plummet trying to drive against packed paints. 28% of our made threes this year come from Steph. 15% come from Wiggins. The Warriors shoot 37% on threes this year, which is good for 13th in the league. Without Steph, that number drops to 35.6% and they'd be the 21st worst shooting team in the league. How does Russ make this team better? In what world? I also don't understand how you've come to the conclusion that Steph has trouble being on ball. There's plenty of statistical evidence that shows Steph is quite good on ball. It's Kerr's decision to put him off ball.