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knickstape4ever wrote:
disrespectful. RJ absolutely deserves to be on the list
the rankings were a composite of the ranking from Mike Schmitz, Bobby Marks, Kevin Pelton: both Schmitz (24) and Marks (22) had RJ in the top 25, and Pelton had IQ (24), but not RJ
god shammgod wrote:didn't watch a minute. it feels good. might not watch more than a game or two for the rest of the season. there's nothing to see. our best player is a midget g-leaguer.
Chanel Bomber wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:what record do some of you think this team should have? just being real... when the season started you thought our record after 51 games would be:
some tough losses in some tough games. hard to be mad at this group that's doing everything overachieving with house money. this is the right direction for the identity of the group. the limitations are basically now ones of talent, which can be addressed by the FO.
The limitations are more than just talent. They are also philosophical, if not entirely psychological when it comes to Thibs. A front office and a head coach who think it's perfectly reasonable to start a non-shooting, non-defending point guard despite there being better options signal that they might not be in tune with the way basketball is played in 2021, or that they might just be a step slow. That's a major red flag for me. Leon Rose had the opportunity to address this issue in the off-season and before the deadline. And Thibs has enough guards to manufacture a Frankenstein backcourt that operates more efficiently than what he's stuck to all year. Yet nothing has happened.
I maintain that this team isn't as good as its record suggests either, because of strength of schedule and because the team has been less hit by injuries/COVID protocol than a lot of its opponents. The idea of the play-in tournament gives the impression that this is a playoff team, but I'd be very surprised if this team finished in the top 8 in the East.
My point is, with a neutral strength of schedule, and an equal distribution of injuries, I think this club with these rotations is clearly a sub-.500 team. With some tweaks to the rotation, and a front office that's more proactive in addressing some of the issues we have at key positions, this team could actually be a legit .500 team.
One of the biggest things holding this franchise back and (in my opinion) clouding the judgement of a lot of Knicks fans (not you) is low expectations.
Jeff Van Gully wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:what record do some of you think this team should have? just being real... when the season started you thought our record after 51 games would be:
some tough losses in some tough games. hard to be mad at this group that's doing everything overachieving with house money. this is the right direction for the identity of the group. the limitations are basically now ones of talent, which can be addressed by the FO.
The limitations are more than just talent. They are also philosophical, if not entirely psychological when it comes to Thibs. A front office and a head coach who think it's perfectly reasonable to start a non-shooting, non-defending point guard despite there being better options signal that they might not be in tune with the way basketball is played in 2021, or that they might just be a step slow. That's a major red flag for me. Leon Rose had the opportunity to address this issue in the off-season and before the deadline. And Thibs has enough guards to manufacture a Frankenstein backcourt that operates more efficiently than what he's stuck to all year. Yet nothing has happened.
I maintain that this team isn't as good as its record suggests either, because of strength of schedule and because the team has been less hit by injuries/COVID protocol than a lot of its opponents. The idea of the play-in tournament gives the impression that this is a playoff team, but I'd be very surprised if this team finished in the top 8 in the East.
My point is, with a neutral strength of schedule, and an equal distribution of injuries, I think this club with these rotations is clearly a sub-.500 team. With some tweaks to the rotation, and a front office that's more proactive in addressing some of the issues we have at key positions, this team could actually be a legit .500 team.
One of the biggest things holding this franchise back and (in my opinion) clouding the judgement of a lot of Knicks fans (not you) is low expectations.
I’m with you on the elf thing. Team looks to be shooting better and more often from long range.
I totally get watching the frustrating things about thibs and being... frustrated. But to be mad at him too long is to discredit that he’s the reason we’re not a heaping pile of dog schidt. Instead we look like a playoff team.
Dude is spinning straw into gold. Then maybe making a couple of bad watches?
F N 11 wrote:lets not forget Payton waved off the double saying "He got him" according to Clyde. These are the days folks.
snadler wrote:
This video is proof even in a positive spin ESPN doesn’t know anything about the Knicks, really a silver lining blowing a double digit second half lead to Kyrie and backups, not to mention this was one night where I actually question their effort, the lack of hustle on loose ball rebounds was the difference in the game, nets backups wanted it more.
nedleeds wrote:Zenzibar wrote:nedleeds wrote:
Did you turn the game off after 4 minutes? Harden didn't play. We aren't getting a good pick because we banked fake covid wins. Welcome to the 2016-19 Orlando Magic.
What I meant was the 1st game, just to correct my post.
Winning trumps losing everyday then dropping 2 positions in the lottery.
We lose every day that our young players are benched for Payton, Bullock and Gibson. We lose every day Randle plays 39 minutes to barely beat the Wizards or that he plays 38 minutes in a 20 point blow up.
mpharris36 wrote:
here's the play where elf thinks he's gary payton and waves off Thibs double team and RJ goes back to his man.
how does this continue?
Chanel Bomber wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
here's the play where elf thinks he's gary payton and waves off Thibs double team and RJ goes back to his man.
how does this continue?
That guy is the epitome of a loser.
I don't view him as a professional basketball player.
I don't think he would be a positive rotation player on a Euroleague team. You'd have to put him in the Belgian league or the CBA for him to have a positive impact, if he actually bothers.
mpharris36 wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
Interesting point of view regarding Payton's starting role as it pertains to future negotiations with Randle, since they share the same agent.
If that theory is true, then this whole front office is incompetent.
Randle's an All-Star, but he hasn't played a single playoff game in his career. He ranks #22 all-time in most games played without a playoff appearance. And the Knicks are a below .500 team right now.
You don't adapt and compromise the integrity of the team from a basketball perspective for a fairly unproven player like Julius. He hasn't earned anything as far as I'm concerned.
But it would make sense that the Knicks are starting Payton for political reasons.
Of course, Mintz will try to present Randle and Payton as a package deal. Which would be the ultimate curse on this franchise.
mpharris36 wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
Interesting point of view regarding Payton's starting role as it pertains to future negotiations with Randle, since they share the same agent.
If that theory is true, then this whole front office is incompetent.
Randle's an All-Star, but he hasn't played a single playoff game in his career. He ranks #22 all-time in most games played without a playoff appearance. And the Knicks are a below .500 team right now.
You don't adapt and compromise the integrity of the team from a basketball perspective for a fairly unproven player like Julius. He hasn't earned anything as far as I'm concerned.
But it would make sense that the Knicks are starting Payton for political reasons.
Of course, Mintz will try to present Randle and Payton as a package deal. Which would be the ultimate curse on this franchise.
Leon Rose damn near ran CAA...if needs elf to strengthen a Randle offer then may god help us all. Leon should have enough pull in CAA to tell Mintz to f*ck off.
mpharris36 wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
Interesting point of view regarding Payton's starting role as it pertains to future negotiations with Randle, since they share the same agent.
If that theory is true, then this whole front office is incompetent.
Randle's an All-Star, but he hasn't played a single playoff game in his career. He ranks #22 all-time in most games played without a playoff appearance. And the Knicks are a below .500 team right now.
You don't adapt and compromise the integrity of the team from a basketball perspective for a fairly unproven player like Julius. He hasn't earned anything as far as I'm concerned.
But it would make sense that the Knicks are starting Payton for political reasons.
Of course, Mintz will try to present Randle and Payton as a package deal. Which would be the ultimate curse on this franchise.
Leon Rose damn near ran CAA...if needs elf to strengthen a Randle off then may god help us all. Leon should have enough pull in CAA to tell Mintz to f*ck off.
