Knicks - Celtics PG: Do we need Woody back?
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In hindsight, we should have kept Fiz. We could have Melo and another top four pick this year.
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this team needs a real engine and brain out there to really run this offense. Payton is garbage and plays meeball. Rose doesn't have the mindset or inclination to be more than a scorer. Quickly doesn't have any pg instincts (seemingly). I don't like what I'm seeing on the floor, including the last few wins.
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knickstape4ever wrote:Zion
Ja
Nunn
Paschall
Clarke
Washington
Herro
Hachimura
White
Davis
smh, at last year's all-rookie teams. who makes these lists?
The snubs RJ gets is beyond ridiculous. He's the second best player on that list.
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we lost, rivals Celtics, Hornets and Pacers won.
RJ big, Payton stinkbomb
Dallas lost
good god, perfect night!
RJ big, Payton stinkbomb
Dallas lost
good god, perfect night!
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Thibs is turning into the Tank Commander right before our very eyes. Not sure if I'm pissed or feeling good about it....
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I've been all about playoffs this year but F it. We need more talent. Time to tank - get a late lottery pick - package it with our Mavs pick - move up in the draft - grab Suggs or Cunningham.
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Looking at the schedule remaining.. the only games I can for sure say this team wins is maybe that one coming up against a depleted lakers team and maybe one of the raptors matchups even tho the raps seem to have our number no matter what in recent years.. I think I’m on board team tank..
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Regardless of what happens the rest of the year...the progress of RJ has made this year worth it.
45% from the field
38% from 3 on solid volume
73.5% from the line
that improves his TS% in one year from 47.9% to 53.3%....what an improvement in one season! Thats more important then any wins this year.
*and all this is with his horrendous start to the season. Otherwise he would be shooting well over 40% from 3 for the entire year if he didn't have that odd 0-21 stretch in the first month.
I think its safe to say RJ can be at or near 40% from 3...and he's just 20 years old...that is enormous strides! Keeping work young buck!
45% from the field
38% from 3 on solid volume
73.5% from the line
that improves his TS% in one year from 47.9% to 53.3%....what an improvement in one season! Thats more important then any wins this year.
*and all this is with his horrendous start to the season. Otherwise he would be shooting well over 40% from 3 for the entire year if he didn't have that odd 0-21 stretch in the first month.
I think its safe to say RJ can be at or near 40% from 3...and he's just 20 years old...that is enormous strides! Keeping work young buck!
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knickstape4ever wrote:dakomish23 wrote:knickstape4ever wrote:RJ has improved his 3PT% by 6% from last season and his overall FG% by 4.8%
that's a HUGE improvement....and he's only 20
but no....tanking doesn't work.....only landed us RJ
I know he’s Voldemort around these parts the last time we tanked before that we landed another good player
Also happens to be the last time we committed to draft picks more than 1 season
yep, when they've legit tanked they got RJ and KP, the 2 best players the Knicks have drafted probably since Ewing
when they are a treadmill team that makes a failed playoff attempt, we wind up w/ Frank, Knox, Obi
clearly, one strategy has worked better for the Knicks
no you are wrong. winning with one year vets is the hot ****. culture baby.
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dakomish23 wrote:
tbh, he must look like magic johnson in practice
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knickstape4ever wrote:Hypothetical:
this offseason, Kings offer their 2021 1st (currently #10) for Julius Randle.....do you take it?
I'm a bit torn. I do like Julius now that he's a much improved (and now a +) 3PT shooter, and he's still young (26)
on the other hand, could be an opportunity to sell high and arguably it's better to give RJ the keys and surround him with a shooting (getting a true stretch-4 b/c even tho Julius a good 3PT now, he's still ball-dominant)
I mean.. I'd rather package our picks with something to move up in the draft. Thibs won't play the 10th pick anyway.
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2010 wrote:?s=21
Flashing a mid range game too. 60% on pull-up jumpers and 100% on pull-up 3's over that stretch.
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Deeeez Knicks wrote:2010 wrote:?s=21
Flashing a mid range game too. 60% on pull-up jumpers and 100% on pull-up 3's over that stretch.
yeah the navigating the screen in the clutch to turn and nail a 20 footer pull up might have been the most impressive because that shot is what teams give up late in games and to be able to create that look shows great improvement.
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mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:2010 wrote:?s=21
Flashing a mid range game too. 60% on pull-up jumpers and 100% on pull-up 3's over that stretch.
yeah the navigating the screen in the clutch to turn and nail a 20 footer pull up might have been the most impressive because that shot is what teams give up late in games and to be able to create that look shows great improvement.
yes, at least we have RJ. Otherwise.... uhh
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mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:2010 wrote:?s=21
Flashing a mid range game too. 60% on pull-up jumpers and 100% on pull-up 3's over that stretch.
yeah the navigating the screen in the clutch to turn and nail a 20 footer pull up might have been the most impressive because that shot is what teams give up late in games and to be able to create that look shows great improvement.
The shot looked beautiful. He has been developing a really nice flow to his game. Very crafty.
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C: Timelord | Paul Reed | M Brown
PF: Sabonis | Lauri Markkanen
SF: Lebron | Lauri Markkanen
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Reign23 wrote:knickstape4ever wrote:Hypothetical:
this offseason, Kings offer their 2021 1st (currently #10) for Julius Randle.....do you take it?
I'm a bit torn. I do like Julius now that he's a much improved (and now a +) 3PT shooter, and he's still young (26)
on the other hand, could be an opportunity to sell high and arguably it's better to give RJ the keys and surround him with a shooting (getting a true stretch-4 b/c even tho Julius a good 3PT now, he's still ball-dominant)
I mean.. I'd rather package our picks with something to move up in the draft. Thibs won't play the 10th pick anyway.
I don't see any team in the top 5 moving out of their pick this year, unfortunately
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Reign23 wrote:dakomish23 wrote:
tbh, he must look like magic johnson in practice
Must be a great tipper at Clyde's Wine and Dine too.
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F N 11 wrote:At least the team splitting that 15 million lmaooo
Ahhh thats the "Big 15" Randle and Bullock were talking about
RJ played great. Really finding a rhythm with his catch and shoot game. Crazy to imagine what he could do with even starter quality PG play consistently
I like Randle but his bad game are atrocious. He must still be aching from that hip injury cuz he looks off. Fatigue from all them minutes aint helping either tho smh. Why force it if RJ has the hot hand? He and Rose did find RJ a goo amount but man let the kid cook if hes on man damn.
Randle and the Mavs 1 to move up for Cade or Suggs? who says no? lol