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Post#261 » by Slim Tubby » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:48 am

Neeva wrote:It boggles my mind that people don’t consider Green as top 3...he will be a much better pro than Cunningham and Mobley.

What hurts Green’s fan rating is very few of us has seen him play. I’d take Suggs and never look back but I won’t make an argument against the other 3 guys, either.

The more I think about it, I’m okay if we lose the pick this year and start 2022 with nothing hanging over our heads in a double draft. It’s not as fun as adding a new talent to the roster, though.


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Post#262 » by jpatrick » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:19 am

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Neeva wrote:It boggles my mind that people don’t consider Green as top 3...he will be a much better pro than Cunningham and Mobley.

What hurts Green’s fan rating is very few of us has seen him play. I’d take Suggs and never look back but I won’t make an argument against the other 3 guys, either.

The more I think about it, I’m okay if we lose the pick this year and start 2022 with nothing hanging over our heads in a double draft. It’s not as fun as adding a new talent to the roster, though.


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I don’t know what to make of Green. I’ve seen all his G-League games. He’s an Ant-like athlete but not with Ant’s physicality. Very smooth. A SG only. Shot it pretty well in a small sample size in the g-league but was known as a below average shooter going into the g-league.

If he’s not an elite scorer, I’m not sure he adds very much. That’s the biggest question. Will he do other winning things; and while I have no doubts he’ll score, will he do it efficiently. Basically same questions Ant has.

I just prefer the all around games of the other three. Also, the fit with Ant is not great.

But those top four are so close. Any of them could become the best player out of this draft.
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Post#263 » by Slim Tubby » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:39 am

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Neeva wrote:It boggles my mind that people don’t consider Green as top 3...he will be a much better pro than Cunningham and Mobley.

What hurts Green’s fan rating is very few of us has seen him play. I’d take Suggs and never look back but I won’t make an argument against the other 3 guys, either.

The more I think about it, I’m okay if we lose the pick this year and start 2022 with nothing hanging over our heads in a double draft. It’s not as fun as adding a new talent to the roster, though.


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I don’t know what to make of Green. I’ve seen all his G-League games. He’s an Ant-like athlete but not with Ant’s physicality. Very smooth. A SG only. Shot it pretty well in a small sample size in the g-league but was known as a below average shooter going into the g-league.

If he’s not an elite scorer, I’m not sure he adds very much. That’s the biggest question. Will he do other winning things; and while I have no doubts he’ll score, will he do it efficiently. Basically same questions Ant has.

I just prefer the all around games of the other three. Also, the fit with Ant is not great.

But those top four are so close. Any of them could become the best player out of this draft.

Thanks for the feedback on Green’s game!


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Post#264 » by TwolvesFanRome » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:36 am

During these days I have seen a lot of HL videos about Cunningham Suggs and Green (I not consider Mobley / Kuminga top 3).

I fell in love with Cunningham...seems to me that Suggs and Cunningham could be like the dtaft class Doncic / Trae Young...Am I wrong?

Green seems to me simply a shooter...a nice and smooth shooter but only a shooter...

Cunningham is more all around player...with also vision amd High IQ... According to me Suggs is a little bit less Cunningham about secondary skills but is an elite prospect..

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Post#265 » by Slim Tubby » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:45 pm

TwolvesFanRome wrote:During these days I have seen a lot of HL videos about Cunningham Suggs and Green (I not consider Mobley / Kuminga top 3).

I fell in love with Cunningham...seems to me that Suggs and Cunningham could be like the dtaft class Doncic / Trae Young...Am I wrong?

Green seems to me simply a shooter...a nice and smooth shooter but only a shooter...

Cunningham is more all around player...with also vision amd High IQ... According to me Suggs is a little bit less Cunningham about secondary skills but is an elite prospect..

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Could be something good!

I think there is less risk with drafting Suggs but far more upside to Cunningham. I watched some video on Green and I agree with your assessment of him. He’s very athletic, has a great release on his shot and could be an elite scorer but I saw very little else to his game. Granted, it was G-League action so I take that with a grain of salt.


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Post#266 » by Domejandro » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 pm

Cade Cunningham is comfortably at the top, in my opinion. I think Mobley will be solid, but more as one of those “high-impact, but not quite a star”-level of player (Al Horford type).
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Post#267 » by Slim Tubby » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:26 pm

Domejandro wrote:Cade Cunningham is comfortably at the top, in my opinion. I think Mobley will be solid, but more as one of those “high-impact, but not quite a star”-level of player (Al Horford type).

It’s not fair to Mobley but I just can’t get the Marvin Bagley comparison out of my head. I wish he played with more emotion and aggressiveness.


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Post#268 » by Domejandro » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:35 pm

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Domejandro wrote:Cade Cunningham is comfortably at the top, in my opinion. I think Mobley will be solid, but more as one of those “high-impact, but not quite a star”-level of player (Al Horford type).

It’s not fair to Mobley but I just can’t get the Marvin Bagley comparison out of my head. I wish he played with more emotion and aggressiveness.


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For what it is worth, I was VERY low on Bagley coming into that Draft, primarily because he was a horrible defensive player in college. I think Mobley’s passing ability and defensive versatility will make him a better player, in comparison. That said, I do think the lack of aggressiveness limits his upside. He is the kind of player I would consider trading down to select, but definitely not first overall.
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Post#269 » by Neeva » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:20 pm

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Domejandro wrote:Cade Cunningham is comfortably at the top, in my opinion. I think Mobley will be solid, but more as one of those “high-impact, but not quite a star”-level of player (Al Horford type).

It’s not fair to Mobley but I just can’t get the Marvin Bagley comparison out of my head. I wish he played with more emotion and aggressiveness.


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He is shy and his older brother walks all over him, not sure how you will get him to gain a superstar alpha dog
Mentality (that he will need to live up to his draft status) and dominate.
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Post#270 » by Neeva » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:26 pm

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TwolvesFanRome wrote:During these days I have seen a lot of HL videos about Cunningham Suggs and Green (I not consider Mobley / Kuminga top 3).

I fell in love with Cunningham...seems to me that Suggs and Cunningham could be like the dtaft class Doncic / Trae Young...Am I wrong?

Green seems to me simply a shooter...a nice and smooth shooter but only a shooter...

Cunningham is more all around player...with also vision amd High IQ... According to me Suggs is a little bit less Cunningham about secondary skills but is an elite prospect..

Dlo Cunningham Edwards XXXX Towns

Could be something good!

I think there is less risk with drafting Suggs but far more upside to Cunningham. I watched some video on Green and I agree with your assessment of him. He’s very athletic, has a great release on his shot and could be an elite scorer but I saw very little else to his game. Granted, it was G-League action so I take that with a grain of salt.


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I agree that Jalen Green is not the playmaker that Cunningham, Suggs,and Lamelo are (right now anyway)
However shouldn’t being an elite level athlete with potential to be an elite level shooter as well , be prized in this NBA?
You can always get lower level athletes who are proven as playmakers with high basketball-iq in free agency.
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Post#271 » by Worm Guts » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:28 pm

I don’t know if Mobley will be a superstar, but he does do lot of winning things. Plays defense, passes and can score.
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Post#272 » by Baseline81 » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:39 pm

Neeva wrote:He is shy and his older brother walks all over him, not sure how you will get him to gain a superstar alpha dog
Mentality
(that he will need to live up to his draft status) and dominate.

Why must the pick end up having the underlined?

Do you think the likes of Gobert and Adebayo have that?
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Post#273 » by jpatrick » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:44 pm

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Domejandro wrote:Cade Cunningham is comfortably at the top, in my opinion. I think Mobley will be solid, but more as one of those “high-impact, but not quite a star”-level of player (Al Horford type).

It’s not fair to Mobley but I just can’t get the Marvin Bagley comparison out of my head. I wish he played with more emotion and aggressiveness.


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Bagley is a bad comp. His problem is he can put up rebounding/point numbers without doing anything to effect winning. Poor individual and rim defender, poor passer, doesn’t space the floor, doesn’t seem to have a good BBIQ. Mobley is the exact opposite. You wish he shot more because he is an efficient scorer, but he does everything else well. Elite rim protector. For his size, elite man defender on the perimeter. Looks to have a decent outside shot or at least very projectable. Has good instincts on both ends. And for his size, very very good passer.

People say he’s passive. I get it. But he’s just got to learn to be more assertive. I think people forget that Anthony Davis only scored 14 points per game at Kentucky, and it often seemed that MKG was the alpha personality on that Kentucky team.

I think the better question is if we’re going with a two big look, do we want someone that is as thin as Mobley is. As much as I like him, I don’t think he’s going to bring a lot of physicality, at least early on.
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Post#274 » by Neeva » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:02 pm

Kentucky had so much talent though and were much more balanced when AD was on the team. Against Gonzaga it wasn’t Mobley’s lack of offensive aggression that was disappointing (he passed up a lot of shots in second half) he just flat out didn’t rebound or defend well against someone like Timme.

I think with nba undervaluing the center position Mobley will not have the same level of value as guards like Green, Suggs and Cunningham in 2-4 years. Taking Mobley is too big a risk for me.
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Post#275 » by jpatrick » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:06 pm

Neeva wrote:Kentucky had so much talent though and were much more balanced when AD was on the team. Against Gonzaga it wasn’t Mobley’s lack of offensive aggression that was disappointing (he passed up a lot of shots in second half) he just flat out didn’t rebound or defend well against someone like Timme.

I think with nba undervaluing the center position Mobley will not have the same level of value as guards like Green, Suggs and Cunningham in 2-4 years. Taking Mobley is too big a risk for me.


I think this is a fair criticism/take.
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Post#276 » by Norseman79 » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:05 pm

Kai Jones and Scottie Barnes are definitely moving up my want list. If we end up at 3, and can trade down while adding a next year's pick, one of those two makes a ton of sense
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Post#277 » by TwolvesFanRome » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:40 pm

According to me If we got the #1 we can't pass over Cunningham.

My list now that I saw some HL is:

Cunningham
Suggs
Green
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Post#278 » by ChiefKeith91 » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:01 pm

Who is Cade best compared too? I’ve heard Brandon Ingram, Penny and Simmons with a jumpshot.


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Post#279 » by Worm Guts » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:19 pm

I don’t like any of those comparisons. He’s not as long as Ingram, he’s not as athletic and can’t pass as well as Simmons or Hardaway. He is long and can handle and shoot. He could easily be a 25 ppg scorer. I’m not sure who the best comparison is though.
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Post#280 » by Neeva » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:40 pm

Cunningham has also been compared to Doncic. Cunningham does not look 6’8 I think he gets a few extra inches because of his hair.

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